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DD abusing me - distressed

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Minifingers · 03/05/2013 12:39

Have posted about dd on parenting teenagers board under a different user name. If you recognise me, please don't out me, as dd sometimes searches mn to see what I've said about her. I don't think she has ever looked at this board though. I lurk on this board a bit. I thought I'd post after realising that what I'm feeling at the moment is not a million miles away from what what I read here from women in abusive partnerships with adults. I really need to off-load.

There's a special kind of sadness and shame attached to being abused by your young teenage child because underneath you are constantly asking yourself the question - are they like this because of the way I've parented them? And fear for them - for their future and their well-being. I strongly believe that behaving in a violent and abusive way doesn't just harm the person who's being abused, but in a spiritual and emotional sense also the person who's behaving abusively. That's really hard when you are a parent on the receiving end of abuse from your child.

A bit of background: dd is going to be 14 in August. Up until the end of primary she was a very easy and happy little girl. Unusually happy, confident and high spirited I'd say. She had a massive sense of fun and loads of energy, to the point that she'd always be the last child standing at any party or sleep-over. She breezed through primary in top sets for everything, despite being one of the youngest in her year. Her teachers LOVED her. She was very, very pretty too, to the point that people would stop me in the street and say what an adorable little girl she was.

Fast forward to year 9 and she's unrecognisable as the happy, lovely little girl we knew before. She's still sociable and has a lot of friends, including a couple she's known since nursery. But that's all that's left of what she was before. On the days she's not actively refusing to go to school (about 2 or 3 out of every 5 days at the moment - she just won't get out of bed), she deliberately makes herself very, very late. She regularly argues with teachers - just point blank refuses to do things she doesn't feel like doing at school, whether it's an assessment for PE, moving desks because she's been talking, whatever. She walks out of detentions if she thinks they've kept her long enough, refuses to do any homework, is MASSIVELY disrespectful to the teachers she doesn't like.

Obviously I've tried to do something about her behaviour. I've moved her school (she asked me to and I was unhappy with her old school), I have kept in regular touch with her tutor and her head of year. We have tried to put sanctions in place for bad behaviour (ie grounding and losing her phone) and made our expectations clear but we aren't the most organised people and her behaviour has been so universally bloody awful that it has got to a point where sanctions become a bit meaningless. And in the meantime she has become so angry, and so resentful of me in particular, and it's got worse and worse to the point where I can't see how we can go on, despite the support we've had from the school and from other agencies (CAMHS) to get to the bottom of her behaviour.

If you've read on to this point you might be thinking - So far, so typical of some teenagers, but I'm posting specifically because of her behaviour towards me and how it's made me feel.

Over the last few months she has become more and more aggressive towards me. She

  • daily tells me I'm pathetic and a failure as a parent because I have an autistic child (her youngest brother who is 7) and a daughter (her) who has been referred to CAMHS and who I can't control
  • tells me I'm old and stupid. Tells me constantly to 'shut up' and if I don't do what she says, says 'Are you stupid? Did you hear me? SHUT UP'
  • tells me I'm a failure because the house is messy and because I buy my clothes in charity shops
  • says that DH should leave me and could do much better than me
  • walks into the bathroom when I'm in the bath, even when I have the door locked and have said not to come in - she sticks a card through the gap in the door and unlatches it, pushes her way in and shoots disgusted looks at my body. Says she needs to wash her hands and won't go downstairs to do it because she can't be bothered
  • walks into my bedroom and pulls things off my shelves when she wants something of mine, without asking me if she can have it. She walks past me into the room, ignores me when I say 'what do you want?', literally physically barges me out of the way and laughs at me, just takes what she wants and walks out.
  • she has locked me out of the house when I've stepped outside to put something in the bin
  • she has trashed my room
  • she body-blocks me in the hallway of the house, sticks her face in mine and shouts at me that I'm pathetic and scared to make eye contact with her.
  • she gas lights me
  • she tells me I should just leave and why don't I give up and move out
  • she constantly points out that DH earns more than me and that therefore he is 'in charge'. I have pointed to her that this is not how finances work in a marriage (at least not in ours thank god). She ignores me.

..... and then yesterday she snatched my mobile after I refused to allow her something she wanted. When I tried to get it back off her she hit me around the face, knocking my glasses to the floor, laughed at me when I cried, and shoved me out the front door of the house.

She weighs 10 and a half stone and is stronger than me. I'm frightened of her.

I found myself sitting crying in the car and too frightened to go back into my own home. I ended up going around to my SIL's house. She came back home with me and persuaded dd to be driven round to my mums, where she stayed last night.

I don't want her to come home. I feel completely traumatised by the last few months - I have this constant feeling of exhaustion and a weird sense of vigilance - like I am living under siege. I suspect a year or two more of this and I'd have a heart attack or something. The atmosphere in the house is often awful and it's affecting my ability to parent my other two children.

And although I'm the one who is the target of most of her spite and anger, DH is also very stressed by it. He's a 45 year old manager and someone who I would have said had 'cast iron' good mental health. Yet she managed to make him cry last week. First time I have seen him cry in the 20 years we've been together. He's a brilliant dad, very patient and caring. He's made loads of time for dd the past year, knowing that she's struggling with growing up, taken her shopping, to the theatre and out to lunch.

I keep asking myself what I've done to make her like this. DH and I have been together for 20 years, and we have always been loving and respectful to each other, in front of the children and at every other time. We NEVER speak to each other in a disrespectful way.

I have not been a perfect parent to dd - I have nagged her too much about her lack of effort at school (and when I say lack of effort I mean lack of ANY effort, not a failure to reach some impossible standard of perfection), I have lost the plot at times and shouted and pleaded with her about her truanting and lateness. On a couple of occasions I attempted to push her into her bedroom when she attacked me. I should have walked away and shut myself in my bedroom instead of engaging with her physically. DH has admitted he's made mistakes with her as well, and has apologised for telling her she was a 'waste of space' (in fairness, this was a comment on her absolute refusal to ever lift a finger to help at home, including refusing to do even such basic things such as remove her plate from the table after eating, put rubbish in a bin instead of just dropping it on the floor wherever in the house she happens to be standing, or flush the toilet after she's done a crap in it). Can her abusiveness be our fault? Is it always learned behaviour?

How do I survive the next few years being abused and disrespected in my own home until she grows up and either leaves or stops doing it? How do I keep myself intact and strong as a mother?

If you've got this far - thanks! I'm going out to walk the dog (stress relief). Will come back and respond later if anyone answers this.

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Maryz · 04/05/2013 12:42

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ElenorRigby · 04/05/2013 12:50

springkitsch I know, I know Wink
What the girl needs and what she wants are sure to be opposites.

As a teenager in the late '80's I first went to the doctors feeling depressed. The doctor (who I now know was wise) offered me vitamins. Bollocks I thought, convinced he didn't care. Bloody vitamins.

I hadn't linked my depression with the fact I'd become a vegetarian months before. I was eating pizza and chips mostly, a junk food veggie I was. But hey that was OK as I had the sanctimonious seal of a new vegetarian. Any veggie diet was infinitely healthier and more ethical than the alternative right?

Wrong.
It took 20 years of anxiety disorder and depression to make the link that I was deficient in vital nutrients. I now eat healthily and am a life member of Holland and Barrett Wink

So yes I know it will be difficult to persuade especially given her hostility Sad

springykitsch · 04/05/2013 12:56

Totally agree with Maryz that this is abuse and should be approached accordingly. It's the 'oh poor kids, they're so innocent/don't feel loved/unhappy' that gives these monsters carte blanche to abuse the hell out of you. Forcing the bathroom door and sneering at your naked body is ABUSE. If a man/your husband/partner did that to you, what would it be?

'See' all you like Mary, I'm not complaining Wink

cjel · 04/05/2013 12:56

maryz. because she isn't fully grown man but child who OP would like to raise so she doesn't become an abusive adult> just because a young persons body may be adult size their emotions and mental growth may not be at the same rate.

springykitsch · 04/05/2013 12:58

It took 20 years of anxiety disorder and depression to make the link that I was deficient in vital nutrients

oh Elenor, what a hard way to find that out ((hug))

ElectricSheep · 04/05/2013 12:59

I suppose it's because she is 13 MaryZ. Posters assume she must be suffering some sort of problem.

But as you rightly say, even at 13yrs you can't really force her to do something she doesn't want to do. (Although you can go out of your way to ensure it's not easy eg no money, electrics, talk to friend's parents, school etc).

If she feels topdog and her life experience so far has taught her that she is topdog/popstarish/popular/golden girl etc then she will have a hard time accepting that she is in fact just like the rest of us! Good grief she even has the popstar type trait of thinking she can be violent to her own mother and get away with it. Angry

springykitsch · 04/05/2013 13:01

But she can abuse like an adult cjel, regardless where she is developmentally. It's the 'oh the poor things they can't help it' that imo nurtures adult, lifelong abusers.

ElenorRigby · 04/05/2013 13:02

Maryz yes you are right too.
Understanding why is one thing.
First has to come some stick to shock her in to sorting herself out.
A few hours cooling her heels in cell might just do that.

ElenorRigby · 04/05/2013 13:04

Thanks Springy I got there in the end Grin

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cjel · 04/05/2013 13:11

The exact opposite is true, I am saying get to the route of this childs behaviour is the only way to fix it. punishing doesn't work if the behaviour is from a place of sadnesses it will just lead to depression as it is turned inward. It statrted to show itself inwardly by self harm at least now it is exteranl she is showing she is stressed. or you will def.
Poor me is sad not evil there is a difference and if any person does not get to the route of why they feel 'poor me' there will be abuse or depression as they try and find a way of coping with their sense of badness.
I am not saying that the behaviour is acceptable but that alongside telling her that you have to help discover the cause.
If you accept that a toddler gets frustrated and throws tantrums because they can't comunicate how they feel then it is the same for a 13 yr old just different ways of tantruming. You don't have to accept the behaviour but it is age relevent.

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springykitsch · 04/05/2013 13:17

There is no point in suddenly realising that the child at 18 has rejoined the human race, but the mother is has had a complete mental breakdown or turned to alcohol herself, or that the rest of the family has suffered so much their relationships are irretrievable.

Standing ovAtion! Totally agree with this. Couldn't agree more.

springykitsch · 04/05/2013 13:20

Breakdown - tick
ADs - tick
Now getting sane - tick
Good mother - tick!

ElectricSheep · 04/05/2013 13:21

I never came across anything like this when I worked in SA. Why? Are SA teens just better parented? No, it's because they know that their parents are sometimes the only thing between them and a very harsh regime. If they are picked up by the police they could be in for a beating/rape/ incarceration without charge. The consequences of bad behaviour are potentially too high.

OP has tolerated DD's physical abuse more than once now. Not just forcing the bathroom door to be sneered at whilst naked by her DD, but being beaten round the head with a phone. Her DD thinks she can get away with it because she has.

She has to be dealt with like any other abuser at this stage. Other avenues can be explored once OP and her family feels safe in her own home.

cjel · 04/05/2013 13:23

hope nothing i've said suggested op was shit mum. Far from it, and I want to say hear and now I think she is coping fantastically with all dd throws at her (literally) I've heard it from my ds in the past and it really knocks you and you worry for ages over every little thing you may have done that they may be right!!!( i was even spat at by him once) (and my dd reported me to her youth club for hitting her, ran away from home and skipped school regularly at certain time of the month but swore it was me!!)
Apart from taking care of herslef now and having a break from dd and forcing dd to get proffessional help, whether couselling, medical, supplements or a mixture of different things. I think she is fantastic and has put up with so much more than others would have.
OP sorry if I gave the impression that i was blaming youxx

Maryz · 04/05/2013 13:27

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cjel · 04/05/2013 13:33

Maryz yes thats another problem is the mess that they leave in their wake isn't it. growing up and moving out is good!!!

onefewernow · 04/05/2013 14:08

I agree with posters who say try to spend more time with her etc.

BUT, having had problems in the past with one IOC my own children, a girl, I would also have to day please focus a lot of effort on what boundaries there are in place and how consistently you manage them. And eliminate and take on anyone undermining from others.

Finally and critically, have CONSEQUENCES for poor behaviour, as far as possible related to the offence.

It worked for us..

YNK · 04/05/2013 14:17

Cjel is so right!

It is usually the most significant person in a teen's life that sees the worst behaviour. Your DD want's you to feel as hurt as she does so you can understand what she feels and help her.

springykitsch · 04/05/2013 14:29

Or maybe they just enjoy bullying and get a kick out of it.

Maryz · 04/05/2013 14:49

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YNK · 04/05/2013 14:50

In that case the parents should be asking themselves why.
They have until 16 to maximise their parental input to help this child equip themselves for an independent life.

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