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Previously uninterested father of baby 'wants to talk'

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ArcaneAsylum · 07/04/2013 12:45

I had a very casual relationship for a few months at the end of last year. He was sleeping with other women and I didn't want a relationship with him, so I ended it. Shortly after I found out I was pregnant. My immediate decision was that I wanted to keep the baby.

I told him this and his initial instinct was to say that he didn't want another child (he already has a daughter) and to accuse me of planning the pregnancy (I didn't). This didn't bother me as I didn't really expect full support.

However, he then escalated to barraging me with text messages trying to emotionally blackmail me into having an abortion with all sorts of rubbish. I refused to give into the pressure.

He then threatened to move away and change his name so that I could not force him to pay child maintenance. I gave him a chance to reflect and sent him a single message after the 12 week scan asking if he would accept some financial responsibility or if I should involve the CSA. There was no answer.

I accepted that he would not be a part of the baby's life and instead began to sort out my finances and future childcare so that I was prepared for when the baby comes.

He has now messaged me over a month later to ask for a meeting to discuss the baby. I have agreed but do not trust him. In my mind, he would have no contact with the baby and I was fine with that. I have agreed to meet because 1. He IS the father, regardless of whether I like him or not 2. It will be easier to have him willingly support his child than to involve the CSA.

I have been polite to him and answered some questions, but I am confused with some of what he has said. He asked for a picture of the pregnancy, so I sent him a copy of the scan pic. He then texted back to say no, he meant a picture of me pregnant (?!).

I said that I wasn't sure when I would be available to meet as I planned to move next week. He asked where and why, and I told him that I needed more space now that I was having a baby (I currently live in a one bed flat). He wanted to know who with and I told him it would just be me and baby. Next message asks if I have a boyfriend. I ignore this, so he asks again. I ask why it's relevant and he says that it is to him.

Now he is messaging me as if things were like they were back when we dated, asking me what I'm reading, that he has done this... Etc. I am soooo confused as to what on earth he is playing at considering his earlier behaviour. I am also suspicious as to why he has had a change of heart about the baby.

I know this is selfish, but I really was happy at the thought of being a single mum as I meant I wouldn't have to deal with him and would have the baby all to myself. I don't want him in the baby's life (even though he has a right to be involved) as he is a terrible role model- a serial womaniser who casually uses drugs and who publicly holds some very controversial views, not to mention his earlier behaviour.

I guess my question is (and thank you if you have actually read this far!), what do you think his motivations might be (I cannot work them out) and what should I say when I meet him?

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CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs · 08/04/2013 02:05

SGB - my guess is that those posters so vehemently against men taking responsibility for their own fertility and the risk they take each and every time they have sex of creating a baby and then being financially responsible for that baby ARE MEN.

kickassangel · 08/04/2013 02:09

It's not like having sex is an unexpected accident. Nobody tripped and fell, and oh gosh! A penis ended up inside a vagina!

This was an act of will. Sex has potential consequences, babies being one of them. Any action which you intend to take, you should weigh up the possible outcomes and their likelihood. If you aren't willing to face the consequences, don't do the action. Outside of rape, any person having sex has to address the issue that they could become a parent, even if they use contraceptive. Saying "I don't want to be a parent but I'm going to have sex anyway" then trying to get out of it is ridiculous. It's not even the moral arguments, it's a basic law of nature.

If someone said "I don't want to get hurt" then jumped off a cliff, cos they thought that the magic pixies would stop them from falling, we would think them certifiable.

OP if you haven't been scared off. Have you been check for sti? He was having sex with more than one woman, and may. Not have been using condoms very carefully. Sorry to add to your problems, but your health is important.

And congratulations. You sound happy to be pregnant, in spite of the idiot who helped you get that way.

pollypandemonium · 08/04/2013 08:13

I really hope that he clans up, grows up, requests shared care and this child is brought up by tworesponsible parents.

acceptableinthe80s · 08/04/2013 09:11

OP may i suggest you post in Lone Parents in future where you'll get actual support from people in similar situations.

ArcaneAsylum · 08/04/2013 09:57

There's seems to be a lot of mixed opinion on this, and those of you who believe that I am entirely responsible for my pregnancy are welcome to your opinions. They just don't match up with mine.

We didn't use contraception this one time. The fact was that I had already told him that I no longer wanted to be with him and that I did not want to sleep with him again. He asked to meet as friends and I agreed. We have other things in common and he told me that he only wanted friendship and to see that I was ok after going through a tough time.

On the night in question, he kept trying to kiss me and touch me and I kept saying no. As the evening went on I had quite a few drinks and after he kept hassling for sex, I gave in. I didn't have any contraception, which I had previously always provided, for the simple reason that I did not plan to have sex.

Yes, it was very stupid of me because I not only risked pregnancy, I risked my health. In the morning I saw sense and decided to have a checkup at the local G.U.M clinic after a reasonable amount of time had passed (which I did). In the meantime I ended things properly with him and told him I would not see him again, friend or otherwise, as I didn't want a repeat of the last night out.

Due to certain things (which would take ages to explain), I believed that I was infertile. I did not share this view with the father until after I found out I was pregnant (by then, it was obvious that that wasn't the case). I did not trick him into getting me pregnant, the risk was there for both of us when we decided not to use contraception. I accept my responsibility for getting pregnant, but as others rightly say, I was only one half of the equation.

When I told him about the pregnancy and he was instantly horrified, I asked why he had not insisted on contraception as 1. He had planned to have sex that night, whereas I had not 2. He was so against me getting pregnant. His line was: 'your body = your responsibility'.

The fact is, we both knew the risks involved. We did it anyway. I got pregnant. It is my body and therefore it is my choice. If it was his body, it would be his choice. I have always held the view that if you are mature enough to have sex, you are mature enough to accept responsibility for a child. That is what sex leads to. Yes, it's fun and pleasurable, but fun and pleasure can be had in other ways.

I also have the very strong view that I personally would never have an abortion, barring the exception of rape or a life threatening scenario for me or the baby. I have had this view since I began having sex at 17 and make no secret of it- every long term partner I've had knew this and the father would have known if he had asked. I also don't like the idea of using the pill. I think that unless I'm ill, my body should be left to function normally. Again, I make no secret of this.

What some people seem to suggest is that I should have had an abortion the minute I found out he wasn't interested. For other reasons which I can't really go into because of a legal case I have filed, I was very heavily depressed. I had already attempted suicide twice. To have an abortion would have cost me any sanity I had left and there is no doubt in my mind that had I had an abortion, I would have killed myself from the guilt. My baby was the only reason that I felt I had to live and since I have found out that I was pregnant, I have turned my life around. I got myself back to a state where I was able to function normally, returned to work, have begun to work through my problems and prepared myself for the child I am bringing into this world. I'm not the same person I was five months ago.

And yes, perhaps it is selfish for me to claim maintenance from him, but I am being selfish on the behalf of my child. I cannot predict the future. I have a good career that seems to be quite stable, but as always I don't know for certain that it will always be so. Likewise, I cannot guarantee my health or my life. My own mother died when I was nine. If something were to happen to me, I would like to have enough money to leave to my child to support them into adulthood. I will obviously get life insurance as well as putting savings aside.

The father of the baby has a legal obligation to support HIS child if he is able to do so. So no, I don't think it is necessary to have 'pride' and pretend that he doesn't exist. My baby needs every resource I can give to help him/her survive in this life. The fact is, if he didn't want a child, he should not have had sex. That was his choice as much as it was mine. I certainly didn't 'steal' his sperm.

Anyway, the whole point is moot anyway. Obviously, as he is moving to Libya, I won't be able to get any money at all will I? Smile

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buildingmycorestrength · 08/04/2013 10:03

Arcane thou are clearly a very sensible woman. You don't have to justify your choices to anyone. Do what seems best. He obviously isn't really moving to Libya, of course...but you knew that! Smile. he is lucky you aren't pressing charges for rape, actually, since he 'hassled you until you reluctantly gave in'.

ArcaneAsylum · 08/04/2013 10:10

Thanks building. Of course I don't have to justify my choices to anyone. I'm just encouraging those who jump to their own conclusions to think that there are other reasons for why mothers decide to have children if the father is against it. The chances are that they will go on believing their views anyway, but I will have done my bit in trying to educate them to the flip side of the argument.

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buildingmycorestrength · 08/04/2013 10:13

I quite like the fact I said 'thou' BTW. How cool am I.

You are going to be a great mum.

Midwife99 · 08/04/2013 10:16

Arcane the bottom line is you BOTH had unprotected sex knowing the risks & so are BOTH responsible for the resultant baby. Obviously if he doesn't want to see the child that's up to him but he should still pay child support so put in your CSA claim when the baby has been born. If he has moved to Libya (Wink) or keeps changing address & you can't trace him I guess it'll be a non starter but worth a try eh?
Good luck!!

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 08/04/2013 10:39

I agree that he obviously should support his child.

BUT he sounds like a thoroughly nasty piece of work, he really does. In your position I would be tempted to end all contact and not follow up with the CSA, because then you and your baby will have a decent and peaceful life. Of course he should pay and support his child. And that is why he is furious. Because he knows he should and is trying to get out of it.

But I would rather not have someone like that in my life at all

GroupieGirl · 08/04/2013 10:46

Arcane how would one apply for the position of your best friend?!

ArcaneAsylum · 08/04/2013 10:51

Much respect for using 'thou'! Big Shakespeare fan here.

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ArcaneAsylum · 08/04/2013 10:52

Groupie the application process is much harder than the one to be the father of my child Wink

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TheGoatThatGotAway · 08/04/2013 11:09

Could I have a form too please? Clearly you rock Flowers

DontmindifIdo · 08/04/2013 11:15

CSA will take what, 20% of his after tax income? What percentage of your income do you think will go on keeping your child? Start with factoring in the fact you are having to move to a larger flat now to make space for the baby, that nursery costs are around a grand a month for a full time place, and suddenly you see he's not even being asked to pay half of the costs for his child.

Good luck OP - he chose to have sex without using contraception, that's a choice to create a life, that's when his choices ended. I don't understand why more men can't get this concept.

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots · 08/04/2013 11:19

Thank you OP for saying what you did. You owe no one an explanation but your post is awesome and I am glad you came back to address the fuckwittery sympathisers. I concur that you do indeed rock!

Sunnywithshowers · 08/04/2013 12:40

Good luck OP :) and enjoy your baby.

chipmonkey · 08/04/2013 13:17

Arcane, first of all, can I just say that you didn't have to justify yourself to anyone. It's irrelevant whether you used contraception or not, IMO, there were two people there and BOTH share EQUAL responsibilty for the child.
If a man doesn't use contraception, then of course he should know that sex means babies and it is up to him to take the risk.

If he does use contraception any adult man should know that contraception can fail.

poppy BOTH parents have to face the financial burden of raising a child. Why should the woman have to bear all the financial responsibilty? And I find your view that men can't "get rid of an erection" except by having sex rather worrying and the type of argument people used to use to justify rape.

Sanctimumious · 08/04/2013 13:23

Yeah Chip, tiz always the woman held responsible though. The single woman /mother not only takes the responsibility in practical terms, interruption to career, but she is expected to take 100% of the blame for conception although it certainly takes two and both parties know the facts of life.... after the man skips off, contactable only by text, she is expected to absorb all of the perceived shame of an unplanned pregnancy too.

So, I agree with chipmonkey, Arcane don't justify yourself to anybody. Enjoy your pregnancy.

arsenaltilidie · 08/04/2013 16:48

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fuzzywuzzy · 08/04/2013 17:05

Personally I think a child has a right to be financially supported by both parents, on that basis I would (& do) claim CSA.

It's a fact of life, children are a possibility when you have sex, if you don't want that keep it in your pants.

Nobody gets to force someone to do something with their body they do not want to.

So what if the OP is financially comfortable, that doesn't absolve the father from financial responsibility.

arsenaltilidie · 08/04/2013 17:08

If a man decides to have unprotected sex he runs the risk of becoming a father.
Equally a woman who decides to keep the baby against his wishes runs the risk of the father not contributing financially.

This is different to a planned baby in which the father changes his mind. BOTH of you guys agreed to have unprotected sex but you decided to keep the baby at the risk he will not contribute financially.

Let this be the lesson to people to be carefully who they sleep with. Because at the end of the day women carry the most 'burden' of raising a child if the man decides to abscond.

OP it sounds like there is a risk the baby might be your only chance of having a child.
At the moment dont stress yourself about the guy and enjoy your pregnancy.

GroupieGirl · 08/04/2013 18:59

Grin Yes, I too have had to reassess my screening process!

ATouchOfStuffing · 08/04/2013 19:20

You sound great Arcane. You can do this on your own.
I would just say that even if you don't go for CSA this man may well try to stay in your life anyway - it doesn't make any difference to contact as has been said already.
Good luck, being a mum is amazing :)

pollypandemonium · 08/04/2013 21:14

Yes, it was very stupid of me because I not only risked pregnancy, I risked my health. In the morning I saw sense and decided to have a checkup at the local G.U.M clinic after a reasonable amount of time had passed (which I did). In the meantime I ended things properly with him and told him I would not see him again, friend or otherwise, as I didn't want a repeat of the last night out.

Sounds like a bad night and you were unlucky to say the least but you clearly knew you had made a big mistake the night before and you could have taken a morning after pill or at least prepared yourself for a D&C.

I think you need to accept you made the decision to have the baby of this man and that he will be part of your life forever now.

Due to your mental health issues in the past, NOW is the time to get emotional support before your hormones start to play tricks on you.