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Regale me with hilarious/ridiculous things that a narcissist or enabler has said to you....

979 replies

Herrena · 16/03/2013 12:25

I'll go first.

My DF acts as enabler for my narcissist M, although I doubt he's fully aware of this. We were discussing her and my god-awful childhood yesterday over skype when he dropped in this little gem:

'Well, you were so quiet. You didn't really defend yourself properly.'

Shock What the actual fuck?!

I didn't really process the remark at the time but now I'm bloody fuming.

Go on, tell me yours. Let's laugh at the bastards and then maybe I won't spend the next week dwelling on my wrath

OP posts:
UnlikelyAmazonian · 21/03/2013 21:52

Sounds like your mother has lived voyeuristically through you Oxfordbags which is a terrible indictment of her parenting I'm afraid. no doubt done under the guise of encouraging you to acheive your potential - telling you you were definitely up to do doing a PHD blah blah. My mother did this to my poor sister. When I was still in the 'cult' as i call my ex-family now, i urged her not encourage my younger sister to sit a PHd because I could see she wasn't up to it and what she needed to do was get a life away from my mother. But poor sis went on to do the PHd, spent ten k of her money doing it,m then failed in year three.

She's now 45, childless, never had a boyfriend, totally still under my mother's thumb, (ie gives her endless narc supply) and STILL think she's an amazing person - simply because my warped mother tells her so.

I am gitted for her but am no contact as she cannot understand or tolerate me trying to get her out of the 'cult' too (stopped bothering about 8 years ago).

I really feel for you - but you have GOT that PHd at least which is more than my sister did!

have you gone No Contact with your mother, got some counselling?

So sorry for people on this thread whose lives have been so bloody blighted by these self-obsessed destructive and frankly wickled Narc types.

Bertiebassett · 21/03/2013 22:21

And another one from me...current this time!

I bought a few age appropriate books for DS (5) to help him understand whats going to happen when mummy and daddy separate. They are brilliant books...have really helped with explaining things (especially 'Two Homes' and 'Big Bag of Worries') and DS loves them. However STBXH refuses to read them to DS (who constantly asks for them)....

STBXH's reason? It's just too upsetting for HIM to read them! His emotional wellbeing obviously comes first...

As expected he really doesn't understand why I'm divorcing him...I've given up trying to explain now...the rest of my life will be spent protecting DS from his narc father Hmm

tb · 21/03/2013 22:24

I went to a private therapist - hence the £20k costs - for EMDR about 13 years ago. I was too cowardly to confront my dm directly, so wrote a letter of confrontation - the classic what she'd done, how I'd felt and what effect it had had on my life.

I managed to keep it down to about 6 things, and it took 4 pages. I threatened her that if she disclosed it to anyone, I'd go to the press about the things it contained. She talked to her garage tenant about it - even seemed to boast that I'd been abused by her friends. What did I do? Nothing - too spineless and useless.

Also, once I cut contact, it was as if she took everything back I'd learned from her. As a result, I can no longer do any of the creative things I was 'allowed' to do - it's as if she's stolen them. I used to sew, alter patterns, cut skirts of long dresses on the cross to use 90cm fabric, design machine knitted knitwear. I used to make candles - she muscled in on that. I was asked to do flower arrangements in a huge trough at church when they wanted the 'young people' involved - she took over that. Thankfully, she couldn't sing, or she'd have joined the choir and pushed me out of that.

My final paragraph, was to say - in terms she'd understand - that if I'd been in a children's home, I'd probably be due about £2 million in damages for lost earnings, and even more in punitive damages for lack of duty of care. Her reaction? Nothing. Just to say I'd written 4 pages of lies when I rang her from the therapist's. The tenant - whom she named as next of kin and her executor has told me repeatedly that my failed suicide attempt was a cry for help and not a real attempt - it made me feel more of a failure for not even being able to kill myself.

I also said that it was only due to the first 7 weeks of my life spent in a nursing that I didn't end up living in a shop doorway - according to one of the counsellors I saw. Apparently just that 7 weeks was enough to save me from that. When I wrote the letter it was 10 years ago, and I said it was like being a Bosnian orphan. Some good came of it - she adopted a Bosnian orphan and left her £5,000.

Everthing that had sentimental value belonged to my late df - she either told her tenant to sell them or left them specifically to other people. He's told me I can write to the legatees ie begging letters, and he's sure they'll send them to me. It's as if he's trying to continue the abuse where she left off - he won't send me the list of property sent to auction as it 'will upset me too much'. He doesn't have the right to judge - I'm 57 for fucks sake and he's only 8 years older. Patronising twat Angry He took it upon himself to tell me I couldn't go to her funeral........

....I couldn't afford to, so didn't. I now think he wanted to flaunt himself a 'chief mourner' not like her nasty daughter tb. She also left money to the parish - so the Vicar thinks she was a wonderful person, too.

I just don't see what the point was of having a dd and then abusing her to such an extent - unless it was the joy of dying with her halo choking her?

dothraki · 21/03/2013 23:07

tb - Flowers I really hope you can find a way forward.

I cannot even think of something that might help I'll offer you{{{hugs}}} and Wine and hopefully peace x

Sparklyboots · 22/03/2013 00:32

Wow, flowers and hugs all round really. Some truly awful experiences, I'm so sorry to hear about your baby Tapir, and your DD MrsDV.

My lot are slightly less overt in their EA and it all comes out of Narc anyway, so I'm not sure they could recognise it as abuse, because that would entail them having an agenda that related to anyone but themselves, IYSWIM? Currently NC with my DF because I asked him not to drink at my place or in front of my 2yo (whom he called a 'saddo' last time he was drunk - and me a 'fucking pain in the arse who could never take a joke' when I called him on it). He actually initiated the NC but has since said (to DM) that he will come and see us etc. when he has got over his hurt about my requests. My response has been to say that he's not invited - and I won't be going to stay with them (we live quite a distance) until he's at least agreed to my entirely reasonable requests. So probably never, then.

His latest thing is to be in a temper with my DM for looking up books for how to live with an alcoholic on Amazon. His actual line was, 'it must be horrible for you, having to live with an alcoholic husband' but he thought he was being sarcastic instead of making a factual observation. Fucking extraordinary. My DM is a bit of a mess but also has narc traits, so the whole thing of him cutting me out has all been about how hard it is for her. I'm fairly certain that whatever happens between them re the drinking will be all my fault.

I know that alcohol is clouding our issues now but I've got a lifetime of stories about how any success I've had I owe to them, and anything difficult that has happened to me is really worse for them, because you worry about your children or something. My DM has been particularly narc about food and eating issues so surprise surprise, I had anorexia for a while, which was terribly difficult for her, obvs Hmm

TapirBackRider · 22/03/2013 03:22

Again Flowers to all on here.

I never used to think of her as a narc, or recognise the behaviour - probably because I was so damn used to it; until recently I assumed it was just the way she was, and all the crap from my childhood/teen years was what I believed everyone went through.

Then I found MN, and the stately homes threads. It's taken me a lot of lurking and revisiting painful memories to understand that it wasn't actually me that made her behave this way, and tbh I'm looking back and wondering just what exactly was real and truthful, and what was part of her drama and lies.

I cried after posting earlier - the feelings of guilt, and the memories, and wondering if I'd done the right thing by posting but I'm glad now that I have.

Herrenamakesagreatwelshcake · 22/03/2013 07:53

I'm glad you feel better about posting now Tapir.

There are so many sad tales here so Flowers to all, especially to those of you who have suffered the loss of a child.

arthriticfingers · 22/03/2013 10:58

'nuvva one
Some years ago, ex's physical and verbal abuse deteriorated rapidly and exponentially.
I finally plucked up the courage to tell him to leave.
He did - but he asked to come back a few days later saying that he had, indeed, understood that his behaviour was unacceptable and had used his time away to realize just how much greater care he needed to take ... of himself!
You really could not make these people up

Googol · 22/03/2013 10:58

Im further along the road to recovery Oxfordbags but we could be sisters from what you describe. Wink

I had to cut contact with my narc friends, my narc mother then I separated from my controlling H to get to the place I'm at now. Happy, calm, peaceful, content. It's a tough road though I had to face everything that had happened but I recommend it.

I had some CBT to help, used the DONM forum (sorry on phone and don't know how to link) and above all used my RL friends for support.

Know what you want to achieve and take tiny babysteps towards it every day. You can be a participant in life not just an extension of a narc mother. Flowers

OxfordBags · 22/03/2013 11:18

Ah, thank you, and UA too. I feel a bit of a fraud, because I don't want to go NC with my parents. I really do love my Mum and part of her being too enmeshed in me is that I am also still too enmeshed with her and just imagining being NC with her is making me cry as I type!

It's weird; I'm not so much extension of her, but she uses me to make her feel better - she doesn't want or expect me to be like her, she is genuinely and authentically flattering, complimentary, supportive and on my side, but she relies on me to constantly reassure her, be really pleased and grateful for whatever she does for me, make her feel better. Part of it is my Dad being incredibly insensitive and a bit crass, not that it makes it alright that she tries to get the emotional input from me that she should get from him, hell no.

I know my childhood was very stressful, very confusing (different rules and goalposts all the time, etc.), and so on, but I still don't have enough sense of self or ability to make anything of my life to be less connected with my mum right now. After always picking arseholes, I now have the loveliest of DHs and a wonderful DS, and the normality and calm and being allowed to just be myself (although whoever that is, I dunno) makes me feel better every day.

If anyone recognises my name and knows me for my usual blunt-as-fuck advice, then yeah, it's easier to see what needs to be done for others and tell them, then turn the spotlight on yourself Sad

OxfordBags · 22/03/2013 11:18

Sorry if am derailing the general narc chitchat Blush

buildingmycorestrength · 22/03/2013 11:53

Oxford it doesn't always have to be NC. For some people that would feed the drama.

I know if I went NC with my dad it would not be worth it for me, because I've found ways to create plenty of distance that don't let anyone paint me as the bad guy, and it means I can avoid confrontation.

Also, he is not as bad as some. For some people, I imagine staying in contact is untenable because the narc needs to constantly push buttons, but my dad isn't one of those.

Finding a way of bobbing along can be fine. Totally depends on the circumstances.

Googol · 22/03/2013 11:59

Absolutely. No contact was my route but only after a long journey with trying to be low contact. After my Dad died she was even worse. I had no idea she had been maliciously gossiping about me for years. Even so I could not have cut contact with my Dad.

yellowhousewithareddoor · 22/03/2013 12:14

Not read it all but will reread as its interesting to see other stories.

My dad, on discussing why I ended up on his doorstep wanting to live with him, 'oh you don't really get on with people very well do you. You didn't manage to live with your mother'. Nothing to do with the fact one of her boyfriends was coming onto me and I was terrified. Living with an alcoholic was hell.

Another one of my dads ideas was to get up after I'd gone to school when we lived together so he wouldn't have to see me.

My mother and father talk about me 'making a fuss' when ill. Thew/ don't like to be inconvenienced. The fact I was rolling on the floor in agony which I later found out was gallstones and others admit to a and e in that kind of pain.

Oh the list goes on.

KittyLane1 · 22/03/2013 12:41

I'm so glad I found this thread! I have far too many but here is a few:

My mum used me as her confident when I was far too young to understand what she was telling me. My mum says she can never understand why any man would want me and would always flirt with any friends I brought home.

I gave into the advances of an older man when I was young (desperately needed attention) when he raped me my mum said "of girl's like you kept their knickers on, things like this wouldn't happen" .....ouch...

Like I said she hated me getting any male attention and after calling me all the names under the sun she said with a deep sigh and "do you not think boys wanted to have sex with me when I was 15?" I said, "no"

HMG83 · 22/03/2013 12:53

Just been reminded of a few other things, how one of my siblings is the "golden child".....

This sibling is the youngest and I love them to pieces, it's not their fault they get treated "better". They're a lazy git who still lives at home and generally does nothing to help anyone but mother worships them. They can do no wrong.

On a long haul flight my parents sat in first class while we sat in standard, halfway through the flight an air hostess came over and said "Hi, are you HMG's sibling?" And proceeded to say how my parents wanted to treat them and what would they like from the inflight duty free? They ended up with a big bounty of their choice and I didn't even get a packet of nuts.

This xmas, I got a pj set, slippers and a hot water bottle (seriously) while this sibling got a watch that retails for over £1k. I was happy for them but a little hurt, I think my mother noticed this and piped up about how they were going to help out with my renovation costs.

Fast forward to Feb and suddenly this offer doesn't exist anymore, so I'd got quotes in etc ready to go on a false promise. I ended up covering all my costs after my mother laid into me about how it always turns into a co petition between us kids.......it never was a competition in my eyes. I just thought any normal parent would treat their children equally and take into account the needier ones.

My middle sibling and I have endured this unfairness and blatant favouritism for years. I've dealt with it a lot better but lately it's really started to hurt.

I don't understand how my mother can treat her children so differently!

HMG83 · 22/03/2013 12:58

Oh and how everyone else's achievements trump mine!

Even people she doesn't like!!! I got my dream job last year and wanted to celebrate but it turned into a meal chatting about how my cousin is so wonderful, they got an even better job, oh and your youngest sibling is just progressing so well with their current employ.

I just bother sharing my achievements anymore because someone else will always have done better than me.

OxfordBags · 22/03/2013 12:59

Thank you :) As I said, my folks are actually pretty nice the majority of the time, so it's easy to have a fairly normal relationship for the most part. I do, however, rigidly 'manage' some of their behaviour to create that or to cut off narc outbursts before they get going. This means they often see me as very critical, fussy, always 'telling them off' (the narc is a sulky child at heart) and controlling, but I get the v strong feeling that they are aware that I tolerate their shit, so they'll tolerate mine. They'll probably never get that they wouldn't have to deal with my shit if they sorted theirs out, but there you go.

Interestingly, my mother is actually a really good, positive grandmother to my DS. Without the urge to enmesh or possess him, she just displays the great, healthy sides to her: playful, inventive, fun, active, affectionate, etc. I am vigilant, though, and shut down the narcing if I see it coming (Ds hurt his arm last year and she was hysterical about not being able to cope with her distress about it - I refused to allow her to be around him until she got a grip).

yellowhousewithareddoor · 22/03/2013 13:09

Hmg. My little brother is golden boy and it took me a long time to realise how out of sync with normal this was. Always assumed something was wrong with me and never understood why it wasn't fair. Our relationship has been pretty ruined and my mum is still at it. Goes to 'help' my brother (who has lots of support from his in laws too) and has never ever helped us. Even when I was in intensive care, moved house, sick children etc. Grr. Its so wrong. She doesn't even try to play fair and then thinks I'm silly if I ever mention it.

katrinefonsmark · 22/03/2013 13:15

Years ago at university, a friend and I were born again Christians. She gave it up because she was sleeping with her new boyfriend. When she heard I'd given it up too, she summonsed for a telling off. I'd disappointed her greatly because she expected better of me than she expected of herself.

Seriouslysleepdeprived · 22/03/2013 13:20

Thought of another one...

She never came to any play type things when I was in primary school. I would always look for her and she never turned up. She was a SAHM too, so no work excuse.

Pretty sure she made it to my sisters things though...

Seriouslysleepdeprived · 22/03/2013 13:22

Just to add, I worry about becoming like her but cannot imagine in a million years missing anything DS was in. Just the thought of his little face looking out for me makes me want to squeeze himSmile

abbyfromoz · 22/03/2013 13:28

Don't have time to read 473 messages so this is for the OP...
Spent a full year trying to make it work with ex after he couldn't choose between me and another poor girl... In the end i told him to stick it but he strung me along for a while with empty promises... After i finally moved on and got engaged he told me 'i would have married you!' ..errr but you didn't....
Nothing has ever made me soooo furious... People like that think that life is just a game.

TheOneWithTheHair · 22/03/2013 13:32

I've remembered a lighter hearted one.

Exh tried to reconcile with me after he had remarried. He said he didn't love his wife. I asked him why he'd married her then. His response; "it's all your fault. I married her because you wouldn't have me!"

Too damn right I wouldn't but I don't remember forcing him down the isle with a shot gun!!

yellowhousewithareddoor · 22/03/2013 13:33

Another,'oh you're making a fuss' followed by being told off - parents smoking in the car on long journeys. I'm asthmatic.

I worry about being a bad parent as I had such awful role models. However I can't imagine trying to harm them or not listening to them. My parents just didn't register me as a person with feelings and needs.

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