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Why are so many people up at this hour? Thread 2

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izzyizin · 03/03/2013 23:30

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1669515-Why-are-so-many-people-up-at-this-hour

This is what happens, jynier Grin

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jynier · 07/03/2013 02:17

The kindness on this thread is deeply appreciated; thank you!

ripsishere · 07/03/2013 02:24

It is given with sincerity. Look after yourself.
I've just noticed that the plants I picked on the way to dropping DD off at school have bloody died. Two hours and they are useless.
I needed to explain to my Myanmar class that, since plants are living they can move. a type of low growing weeding thing moves its leaves in response to stimulation.
I will have to pick some more now. Possibly ice is the way forward?

cafecito · 07/03/2013 02:25

oh gosh jynier, how traumatic Sad was it quite recently that your brother died?

within a year they should really respond or acknowledge- maybe send a letter to the chief exec. No negligence in LCP though but it's a bit of an ethical hot potato of course, and awful just awful to see someone you love die like that.

re your friend, there could be a delay in diagnosis case against the GP, if the next of kin wished to go down that line. they have 3 years if so, but generally best to start a ball rolling within the first 2 years as it can take a long time to collate expert opinion and suss out the case and it's best to do that prior to issuing.

but equally, well, what good would come of that - it's a little too late right? change in procedure? an apology? acknowledgement is more the thing I guess, but it won't take away any of the feelings Sad

jynier · 07/03/2013 02:58

My friend's son works in the NHS; he understood the complaints procedure but it was all too traumatic for him. He came home from work early one day to take his mother for an X-ray but she died, in their driveway, as soon as he had helped her into his car. He was furious at the slow response to his 999 call.

ripsishere · 07/03/2013 03:08

Fucking hell! sorry to swear but that's a shocking thing to happen.

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles · 07/03/2013 03:08

jynier Sad Thanks

cafe, absolutely right Wink You should have seen me kneeding my naan Grin

rips my 15 month old said "Burma Burma Myanmar" the other day. How clued up is she? Grin

cafecito · 07/03/2013 03:10

I often dealt with claims against ambulance services. Not that I advocate litigation - but some of the cases were utterly shocking. Just procedural problems coupled with incompetence and bad management. I would never pursue a case myself, but if withint he last years (or longer, sometimes) it's still possible for it to be investigated. Often as time ebbs away, it can be less raw and people start to think in factual terms. But where someone has died, the compensation paid is very minimal.

cafecito · 07/03/2013 03:12

kitty your DD is so advanced!

agreed jynier- you have lost those very dear to you in some pretty shocking circumstances. you couoldn't have done anything differently yourself but it's almost worse to be held back by the actions or non actions or web of events played out that we can't control

cafecito · 07/03/2013 03:14

ooh, did you wink over your shoulder, pout, pop forward while cleavageing it up as you leant into your dough? this could be a whole new cooking show

Lostonthemoors · 07/03/2013 03:15

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StoicButStressed · 07/03/2013 03:16

I'm still up as can't get to sleepSad. Was my Mumma's funeral yesterday (though guess given time now it was technically the day before yesterday...) and I am just very sad, very stressed, miss my Mum and exhausted from funeral planning and the months that preceded her passing when she was very ill and deteriorating daily from f*cking cancer.

Have been through every emotion possible but suddenly am hit by a new one today (yesterday?/now) for first time - anger. Am just so so SO angry. And so so tired, but can't get to sleep but have to be up at 6.00 for DS's/school etc. Am scared shitless re driving when this exhausted too - terrified as it's so dangerousSadAngrySad.

Anyway, nice to discover i am not the only one still up, so big hello to rest of you x

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles · 07/03/2013 03:18

oh Blimey lost poor you. Sad

jynier · 07/03/2013 03:20

Am simply unburdening myself on here of grief/self-pity as it's anonymous. People in RL don't understand either through embarrassment or lack of experience of death. There is nothing to be gained from making a claim about poor care or slow ambulance response; it won't bring them back!

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles · 07/03/2013 03:22

oh stoic Sad Thanks for you too. So fresh and raw.

I agree about driving when so exhausted. Are there any alternates?

I'm so sorry about your mum.

cafecito · 07/03/2013 03:26

sometimes it's reassuring to think it could be prevented from recurring jynier- as in, their death in that manner wasn't in vain, if procedure is changed and this doesn't happen again

but no, you're right, bloody useless really

unburden away

cafecito · 07/03/2013 03:27

stoic- so so sorry to hear of your loss. Thanks Thanks Thanks

is there a way you can avoid driving?

Lostonthemoors · 07/03/2013 03:28

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jynier · 07/03/2013 03:32

StoicButStressed - I am so sorry for the loss of your mother. Hope that you will be able to achieve some sleep tonight! Maybe you should take a day off tomorrow/today if you're worried about driving. Cuddle up with your DS! He's bereaved, too! One day away from school won't hurt! Best wishes, x

kittyandthegoldenfontanelles · 07/03/2013 03:39

I agree with jynier. I had been thinking the same thing.

Midwife99 · 07/03/2013 06:46

Oh stoic & jynier - I wish I could say something comforting - you both must be in such pain. I hope you do have RL hands to hold during the day. Thanks

Cafe - yes - any obs/gynae questions cheerfully attempted!! Can't promise to know the answer but will try!!

Kitty - now you're teasing us you naughty Nigellaesque wench you!! Wink

Lots of you up last night - I'm in a totally knackered phase atm so am missing all the chats & just dip in to add my little comments rather late! Tell me to F off for not being nocturnal if you like!! Wink

BlueyDragon · 07/03/2013 07:05

(((hugs))) for jynier and Stoic. Stoic, did you sort out the music for your Mum's funeral?

Jynier, I am sure everything you are feeling is normal but I guess where the loss is sudden you get it all together rather than having time to process some of it. Certainly when my grandfathers died very close together in time, one very unexpectedly and the other with plenty of time to come to terms and say goodbye, the emotions were all the same but the experience was different - and there weren't any issues with quality of care for us.

The vomit monster is here, too - I have a wriggly and snuggly DD in with me, poor baby Sad.

Minimammoth · 07/03/2013 08:38

Thinking of you all.To those grieving I would say let all the anger and tears flow. In my own experience when I was very young I put it all on hold to be strong for others, pushing it inwards is not good for your health, mine was delayed almost 20years. Then I could not stop crying for 3days. So let it all out.
Passing tissues. Here, blow, there that's better.
Am a bit lopsided this morning and groggy, but on with the day. Happy sleeps those on shift work.

StoicButStressed · 07/03/2013 15:21

Thank you all so much for lovely messagesThanks

Kitty, Cafe, Lost Have 2 DS's still at home, DS2 17 & DS3 11. DS3 really struggled when his beloved Nanny died, and missed a lot of school as couldn't get to sleep until mad 3am type times (& obv, needed me desperately for comfort, so those days worsened sleep too). All advice re how help l'il bods like him is to try and get them back into school/routine/friends ASAP as that's what helps them. So, after a few days, that's what managed to do, so be really reluctant (& feel that awful Mummy guilt at failing my child..) to keep him off when doesn't physically or psychologically need to be, and could actually set him back in HIS healing process. The HUGEST irony though is that whilst DID have to drive DS2 in, DS3 is actually home as was really rough this morning - couldn't make it up! And no, am out of options other than me driving -

i) Am pretty isolated (as had to become so to protect my DS's privacy as 2 of them were badly attacked in; ditto had to stop my much missed career & colleagues etc.) so it's only my 2 BFF's forever am really in touch with and they live miles away;
ii) The few favours I could call in from school acquaintances I have already had to call in, and - as Jynier said - everybody somehow thinks it's 'all ok now', even though she only died 18 days agoHmm... I really do NOT get how anyone could think that, but THAT is the reality of itSad;
& iii) Nope, can't afford taxis/cars right now as is £10 each way and I am beyond cleaned out this month as did so much for Mum's funeral (which still so glad I DID do, as was very personal and very 'Mumma'); will post some pics for you of the very 'her' stuff managed to get.

So Midwife, can see from above that "no" is answer to 'hands to hold in RL' right now (sad and an horrific side-effect of something that itself was so bloody horrific), but wish I did as it is just SO fucking hard. My sis (ex-pat) is currently back, but it's not the greatest of relationships even though I have tried monumentally hard to try and improve itSad.

Bluey So sweet of you to remember that nightmare on morning of funeral when realised my sister & I each thought the other had the CD of the Israel K. version of 'Over the Rainbow'... so NONE of us had itShock - happy to say did sort it via use of Mac attached to Archie's (DS1) amp that he was using. He sang with his guitar for his ace Nanny, was incredible and beyond poignant; link is here if want to hear it - soundcloud.com/stream - as it was recorded.

And final piece of beautiful music bits was when my (male) BFF rounded service off with an accapello version of 'Three Times a Lady'. Mum would have been SOOOOO proud of Archie, but also know she would have LOVED fact that a couple of her old biddy type mates had their jaws on floor, as BFF kinda famous & she would have loved that "See my daughter's best friend" thing (just as she - uber embarrassingly at the time - but wish was still same nowSad would literally photocopy Radio Times/whatever with my work in schedules; use a LUMINOUS bloody highlighter on my stuff; and then proceed to send to all her mates and even give to perfect strangers on bus! )

Sorry, just realised written War & Peace length postBlush so will go now, but only after saying to Jynier that feeling as you do is NOT 'self-pity' in any way angel ok? What you're feeling is normal for these horrific situations. Suspect the fact that others - who haven't been through it - 'act' as if you should be 'normal', you're following their (hugely wide of the mark) 'cues' if even remotely think you have 'self-pity'. You don't. You have grief hon. Normal, natural, healthy GRIEF.

Sending hugs to all, ESP Jynier

StoicButStressed · 07/03/2013 15:23

Oh, and HERE is Mumma - along with the pics I mentionedSmile

www.justgiving.com/Mumma

MrsShrek3 · 07/03/2013 16:06

just catching up and checking in. lots going in. the support here is absolutely awesome. hugs to all who need them, back later to ramble the night away....