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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships:16

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foolonthehill · 27/01/2013 20:40

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 14/02/2013 18:38

Please get out while he's at work tomorrow maggie. It doesn't matter what you've told him. Ring the police and take a restraining order out. Even if you are in a refuge, everything else will work out, but you will be safe.

minkembra · 14/02/2013 18:40

Maggie inclined to agree. go asap. you can move on from parents or refuge if need be.

TisILeclerc · 14/02/2013 18:41

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arthriticfingers · 14/02/2013 18:58

Maggie Go!
Leclerc :) at lovely Dad

arthriticfingers · 14/02/2013 19:46

So many things I recognize. yy to the walking in through the door every night with the list of things to check I had done. Un surprisingly, there was always something I either had not done or had done wrong.
Another yy to the 'I don't do Birthdays or Christmas or any other holiday; I won't be told to do nice things on certain days'. Wonder what he told himself all the other days of the year?
Thought I would throw out this story from a few years ago to any still wondering whether the abuse is that bad.
One New Year's eve we went out to dinner with the DCs; As it got towards supper time I realized I had the 24 hour bug that was going round (I won't go into details about the bug - it was one of those)
I could not eat supper, obviously, and waited for FW and the DCs to finish.
We had to get a train. The station was one stop on the tube.
FW said he wanted to get the tube to the station because it was raining (ever so slightly) and he did not want to get wet.
I said I did not think I could manage the tube (not sure it would have even been hygienic!) and wanted to walk. I even said he could get the tube and I would meet him at the station.
So FW storms off ahead leaving me walking slowly (when I wasn't puking in the gutter) behind with the DCs.
Weirdo
I laughed it off at the time; it has taken me years (and St. Lundy) to realize how awful that story is.
It really is all these small things that pile up and pile up :(
I don't know WTF I was thinking then Blush
But freedom is one whole lot better. :)

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betterthanever · 14/02/2013 20:23

Hi Ladies, I just want to say I have been thinking about you all.
Just caught up on your posts Maggie I hope you are safe. Leclerc good move on SS, and the school, the sooner you log things the better. Another one in awe. Countdown to court and seeing his face and hearing that voice again beings. Sad

ponygirlcurtis · 14/02/2013 20:32

Maggie, I am another nervous one, wishing you were out already. I think he's planning something. I've said before that I think he's dangerous, unstable. If he knows you are planning to leave, perhaps he's being as clever as you are, playing a 'I believe you' role, all the while planning something. I don't know what, but I'm sure it wont be good for you or the kids. Have you called WA before and talked to them about a refuge? I know it's not ideal, but I'm so scared I'll see you on the news. Sorry, I know your head is probably spinning and you don't need me being a scaremonger, but I just worry about you, lovely girl. And you are lovely, a lovely person and a lovely mum. That will never change.

better - is court tomorrow? Hope it all goes ok, stay strong, you can do it, imagine him wearing a clown's nose.

Alice - thinking of you too. What will happen tomorrow?

Leclerc - hope the session is going ok for the DDs.

FairyFi · 14/02/2013 21:29

awful arth so sorry Sad

you reminded me of xmas one year. I think i've only had flu then, well I had flu, been ill sinc ethe night before. Didn't sleep all night because i felt too ill, got up made breakfast didn't eat, was freezing cold and ill .. did xmas dinner sat whilst they ate it then went to bed for the rest of xmas, just another little thing i'd forgotten Sad

just watched the original gaslighting with a nice rare Wine to wash it down..

sorry you have to face him better are you in touch with WA to help you with the 'facing'? Feel for you.. good luck xx

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FairyFi · 14/02/2013 21:32

I've just read that back, and I just don't know how I did it, whilst he was being fun xmas dad with presents and probably football I'm pretty sick of remembering at the mo. So burying head in books tomorrow from dawn til dusk bastard FWs

FairyFi · 14/02/2013 21:34

I'm clinging to the hope that this might mean Maggie's fled! Hoping that you are ok hun? xxx

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/02/2013 21:38

Arth that's an awful, awful story.

Maggie keep safe my love and keep posting so we know you're ok xxx

leclerc so glad you have great parents to back you up Smile

ToD how are things in the shower cabinet Wink

Mediator today. FW showed true colours. Has said he wants relationship to end since he can see I do. He wants to divide house in two like I suggested ages ago. He still made a fuss about me going to my dms for a couple of days at half term with dcs. I can't live under same roof, he's too controlling.

He's now refusing to turn up at Cafcass concilliation next month on the grounds that this is something I've cooked up. In vain have I tried to explain it's his chance to have his say. He is now reiterating threats - he will fight this "his way" - I asked him, "are you threatening me?" he said no, but I think he means the previously mentioned financial melt down or trying to make me out a loon for taking ADs and drinking (normal, sociable amounts btw but women shouldn't drink dontcha know). I am now seriously thinking I cannot sit this divorce out under same roof. The house I like is available and they have agreed to my terms. I hope dcs might be settled enough to come with me happily, especially if family home is to be rented out which it would have to be.

FairyFi · 14/02/2013 21:50

I can't live under same roof, he's too controlling. here here *fly... you sounding v strong now, and yay for house you like!

ponygirlcurtis · 14/02/2013 22:00

Go Breathe!!!! xx

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 14/02/2013 22:08

I couldn't have stayed in the same house while this divorce is going on. Go to the rental house try. The DC will surely come with you, you will inevitably have bad days with them while they process it all, but they will be infinitely better off in a happy atmosphere with you away from him.

betterthanever · 14/02/2013 22:10

Thanks Pony - early next week but getting the jitters now. Fairy no I didn't know about that, I think I need to find out more - thank you. Is tehre anything on line?
Really hope maggie posts soon
Breathe mediation sounds good, he agreed to what you wanted with the house and the report can be used in court can't it? I think it is great he refuses not to go to the cafcass meeting, they will not be impressed - just quote to them the reason he gave to you. You can be really honest with them then on your own without him intimidating you.
My FW years ago threatened me with the drink thing... he hasn't put anything on his court application under that header in safeguarding so now I have brought up his drug issues in the past he may do but it would look very retaliatory.
Just been reading things on Lundy Bancroft's website about child custody battles with the abusive ex and he talks about how the victims of it can come across as unstable but it is because of abuse (which we know but judges sometimes don't think about). I got in quickly with cafcass about how I was suffering with anxiety and all the things I was doing to keep in under control. I think that also demonstrates what he can do to me after all this time. So please don't worry about his threats, he has a very small battle kit, in fact he is already scrabbling around for any ammunition as he knows you are one wonderful Mummy.

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/02/2013 22:17

Thank you, lovely ones for support Smile

Yes I think he is scrabbling around. He did admit to me that the debts are his last hold over me which is why he was thinking of refusing to sign for the sale of our old, jointly owned house which is on market with a view to clearing debts.

FairyFi · 14/02/2013 22:22

aw.. those is nice words to Fly better...

WA is Women's Aid, speak to them find a local outreach worker who can meet or do phone talks and empower you to face this demon fear! xx

FairyFi · 14/02/2013 22:24

think his admittance needs to be recorded! What a FW! Fly

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/02/2013 22:30

Yes thanks for nice words, better Smile

Fi When he said that, I called my sol and asked him to record the threats officially. Ie if I didn't rescind my court statement about what happened that night (which he claims now are complete lies), he will do those things. He also told me last night that the only reason I didn't want him anymore was because I am a fucked up individual with serious issues who will never have a successful relationship as no other man would put up with what he has for years - fw bingo, ding dong Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/02/2013 22:34

Oh and when he claimed he may have been "rough" sometimes but would never hurt me, I said "it hurt a lot when you attacked my hair and twisted my head back at 45 degree angle twice" - he responded by saying sarcastically, "oh, did you get whiplash?"

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 14/02/2013 22:35

Ha! Mine said he hoped my next husband has more luck than he's had!

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/02/2013 22:35

Trusted advisers in RL are advising me to sit out divorce in family home to keep a grip on it. What to do?!

Sorry for being me, me.

Any news from maggie?

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 14/02/2013 22:37

For my mental health and that of the dc, I had to get out. But if you have the house divided it maybe would work? Who says you'd lose the house if you leave now?