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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Kicking The Wine Witch Into Touch!

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Mouseface · 23/01/2013 17:50

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile

Welcome to the Bus. We're a group of posters who have been on a journey to here, there and everywhere when it comes to alcohol and the abusing of it.

Some of us drink, some of us don't at all and some of us are trying to get there, really trying to just stop the cycle, break the habit and calm everything down. Some of us are desperate to not be 'that' person anymore.

One Day At A Time or ODAAT.

So what have you got to lose? Weight? Saggy, puffy eyes each morning? False friends? The risk of cancers and other fatal illnesses......... why not join us?

We have a resident MonsterCat, Wolf called Seth and Squid called Barry (best not to ask about Barry! Grin)

And, if you want to see where we've been so far, the links below will show you. The first ever thread is the best by far, because the OP is just like you. And me.

FIRST EVER THREAD

PREVIOUS THREAD

OP posts:
ohcluttergotme · 13/02/2013 06:12

Morning babes, back to work for me today, been off since last Thursday so shouldn't complain but the longer your off the harder it is to go back! Slept kinda ok but me & crazy boy been awake since 5am so feel shattered Confused definitely up for dry lent, day 1 today & I will not be drinking.
Wishing all babes strength & love for today xx

eminemmerdale · 13/02/2013 09:00

DAy 1 for me too Smile Good morning all.

babyjane1 · 13/02/2013 09:33

Morning all you superbabes, mouse sending you hugs and hope all is better in your mousehold!!!! Hope you all have a good day, I'm struggling but determined I'm off to weightwatchers, feels like Groundhog Day, my new life starts AGAIN but hey least I'm still trying x x

curryeater · 13/02/2013 09:49

Good morning!
Jesus, your garden sounds lovely. we are trying to buy a house - first time I have ever owned a place - which has a small garden, and you are making me feel very excited. (we have a nice garden in our current place but as we are renting and now being kicked out I never thought beyond trying to keep it tidy) (trying being the operative word).

I had a glass of wine last night, as a shrove tuesday decadence in lieu of pancakes, and now here comes lent. My lot always take St Patrick's day off and now I am going to an Anglican church so I'll give myself Mothering Sunday off too, but no benders.

Feeling very anxious about possibly being homeless if this house purchase doesn't come together, or doesn't come together in time. Please pray for my survey!

good luck clutter, I know what you mean about not being able to take time off, hang in there and try to conserve your energy. But please don't let the stress drive you to drink. Better to manage a healthy, planned absence if you can't take any more, instead of freaking out and diving into a bottle and then being both absent and ill. I have often used hangovers, subconsciously of course, when I can't really afford to, because I am levering some space and down-time into my life instead by the back door instead of opening the front door and honestly inviting it in. I think.

enim, I too have found some inspiration on those minimalist threads. we need to move into a smaller house without a garage and I have some serious decluttering to do. I am trying to psych myself up to it and see the excitement in it. The thing is I truly hate waste so I am always trying to find good homes for things which means disposing of each thing takes so long and I should be just getting rid of things in swathes.

Have a good day all and enjoy the coming lighter days, all brave babes x

obrigada · 13/02/2013 11:22

1st Day of Lent here too, hope your survey goes ok Clutter. Trying to cut down on the cigarettes as well for Lent as my chest is in bits these days.

Am also one whose house needs a complete overhaul, so hope to do something constructive with my evenings and weekends instead of nursing a hangover!

alabasterangel · 13/02/2013 11:47

Hi. New. This is me....

I have some unhealthy habits. I genuinely don't think I am an alcoholic, but I do think I have a denial about how unhealthy my habits (not just drink, I have similar stuff going on with food and to some extent spending) have been and as a result I am now in a medical place where I don't have any choice but to change, which scares me.

For the last 20 years I have drunk more than I should on an almost daily basis (apart from pregnancies). Not a lot more than I should, but enough to have caused some damage. My drinking doesn't lead to family arguments, I don't binge, I don't pass out, I don't forget what I have done, I don't feel fuzzy, I don't have hangovers, I don't upset people. My drinking levels have caused no problems, ever, other than to my health and weight and if it were not for these factors I probably would not be trying to change. I am habitual. I love my routine. I don't drink before 7pm when my kids have gone to bed and during the day I don't think about drink at all, but by 6pm I am 'looking forward' to it. I use it as a reward and a treat, and substitues don't seem to work, as I 'like' my wine treat much more than anything else (even food, although that?s a close second). My husband reads the bedtimes stories and does the tucking in, while I come down and start supper and pour a large glass. All of the other stereotypical Mums I know do exactly the same, but the difference is that they seem to be able to make that glass last through the evening. I get to the last cm within 20 minutes whilst DH is still upstairs and then think 'it's going to look really crap that I've drunk all that already' so I top the glass back up and thats 2/3 of a bottle poured. Sometimes I stop at that (so I'm guessing that?s probably 6 units a day). Other times, where excuses are relevant (stress, anxiety about something, reward, celebrating anything whatsoever) then I'll finish the bottle. So that would be what, 9 units roughly?

Before this "wine o'clock" habit, before I was married and had kids, I still drank the same it was only the circumstances that were different. In my 20's I would go to the pub after work almost daily with the male orientated group I worked with. They would all have 2 pints of beer, I'd have 2 large glasses of wine (so again, probably 2/3 of a bottle). If by some rare occurrence I didn't go, I would drink the same at home. I'm pretty similar with food, my self control is pitiful. I can't just have a bowl of cornflakes for breakfast, I want a nice indulgent crumpet, with a good 3mm of lurpack on the top. And not one - I can demolish 3 or 4. I don't just want a sandwich for lunch, I want a sandwich, crisps, something indulgent (there is that word again) like a nice unheathly whopper of a cake. Treating myself to naughty stuff is fantastic; I love it, but I can't just do it as a treat I want and tend to indugle pretty much every day. Denying myself makes me bad tempered and miserable (sounds so churlish saying that). My weight has increased steadily and slowly for the same 20 years. Back then I was a size 10. Now I am an 18/20 and my BMI (given the fact that I am short!) is scary.

One thing I think about quite a lot (and find a bit odd) is that it's never increased at all. I will without fail never go a drop over a bottle. It used to be that a bottle of wine 20 years ago would have me merry and happy, now it hardly touches the sides and I feel pretty much the same at the end of the bottle than the start which is another reason to stop. If it 'does nothing' then whats the point anyway? I don't know, like I say, habit I feel, rather than addiction.

Okay, so I'm not quite on the park bench with my vodka in a paper bag, but over 20 years it's taken it's toll. I've been having some nasty symptoms lately, and put on the spot last week by the Dr I ended up having some blood tests that will show my liver function (anxiety levels are through the roof over this). I've had, for months, a dull nagging pain under my ribs. It could be gallbladder, but more likely (given my drinking and my apalling eating habits) it's an enlarged fatty liver. I can't escape it now, the tests are done, and when I go back for the results I'm going to have to be honest. My DH and DM don't think I have a problem. My DH says 'but you only have a couple of glasses of wine, not a litre of whisky, that?s not going to have harmed you' and my DM says much the same.

I don't want to stop drinking altogether. I've had two children in four years, so therefore in the past four years I've had probably 20 months of not drinking (which really makes me wonder if my extreme anxiety about this liver damage could be uneraslitic, but anyway, feel free to reassure me about this!!). I felt in control and not concerned about it when I wasn't drinking, I don't feel concerned that it's 'increasing' or 'getting out of control' but I feel it's more about breaking habits. If I can get into a new habit of making it normal NOT to drink during the week, I certainly think I might be healthier food wise during the week too to back up the 'good work'. I don't feel in anyway that this would be impossible, but certainly a challenge, and I really don't want to fail.

I have a motivation, I'm going to a wedding in August, my Dad will be there. He lives on the other side of the world and we only get to see each other once a year, maybe less. I'd love to be in a position where I can choose something lovely to wear (not a huge tent) and enjoy a glass of bubbly without guilt.

I think my biggest fear right now would be that when the tests are back I'm going to get told I have to stop altogether. I don't WANT to stop, I like it. I want to be able to stop this use of alcohol as a reward though.

Is there anyone else here who has been in a similar position, or can understand what I mean? I'd be very grateful to get some support (and hopefully give some, too). No one else knows how much I am dreading these test results Sad

eminemmerdale · 13/02/2013 12:03

Just to let you know I have seen this - haven't been able to read through properly but will later. I'm sure others will come along too Smile. You're not alone - everyone here is fabulous.

obrigada · 13/02/2013 12:13

Hi Alabaster, I have read your post but I am more of a binge drinker (can't stop once I start) than a daily drinker, am sure someone will be along later who has either been in the same situation or has some advice for you:)

ohcluttergotme · 13/02/2013 12:21

Hi aliblaster, just to say seen your post and thinking of you. Not had a chance to read thru all as at work. I'm the same as obrigada in that I am a binge drinker & have no off switch when I start. There are many other fabulous babes going thru the same as you & sure someone will be along soon.
I was hoping for sunshine today instead I got snow...it looks pretty tho!
Mouse thinking of you babe & your dmouse & little mouslings xx

ohcluttergotme · 13/02/2013 12:22

Also meant to say curry, everything crossed you get your house with garden, sounds lovely x

obrigada · 13/02/2013 12:34

Ooops wished you luck with your survey Clutter, just realised it's Curry I should have said good luck to:)

Tigerinthegrass · 13/02/2013 13:15

Hi all just thought I'd pop in. Hi alabaster. Well I managed dry January (if I ignore the one bottle of wine incident!) I am still not drinking during the week and if I'm honest it's not really bothering me, but I'm having a bottle on sat nights and then feeling rough Sunday. I don't feel too bad about this as long as it doesn't creep back up. It's tons better than 3-4 bottles a week.
alabaster I hope your test go well, I'm pretty sure they will. Gallbladder is probably a more likely culprit. I started getting pains in my legs when drinking and thanks to dr google decided I had some pretty nasty alcohol related illness but since I've cut down its completely gone. With me it was the shock I needed. I unfortunately do not have an off switch so can only ever have one bottle in the house as that's my limit now. I've put on weight by treating myself to other goodies, but I'm actually loosing a bit now.
Keep reading posts but still shy at popping in. X

guggenheim · 13/02/2013 13:33

Hi
I should be working so can I come back to you later alabaster because you are describing exactly how I drink,although I tended to do 1/2 bottle or just a small glass Mon to Wed then 2/3 rds of a bottle rest of week. On a good night out- 'bout a bottle and 1/2. I'm little (ok, a short arse) and I drank like that for 20 years with the exception of 2 years for IVF treatment & pg and bfeeding. Then I got right back to where I left off.

So 20 years of 6 + units a night, sometimes less, sometimes more is an awful lot.Much more than is good for us.My guess is that your liver function test will come back as ok ish, and I hope it is ok obviously!

Personally I just got to the end of the road with it. I wasn't living in chaos but I certainly wasn't happy either. Can I ask what you do in the evenings? I ask because I did a lot of sitting indoors + bottle rather than doing something interesting or exciting.

Not trying to piss you off- I'm aware that just because I don't want to drink like that anymore has nothing to do with anyone else's choice and lots and lots of women do drink like that happily every day.

I think you have done the right thing in joining the bus and good luck in cutting down!

Mouseface · 13/02/2013 14:11

Afternoon, tis me, Mouse

Alabaster - I think my biggest fear right now would be that when the tests are back I'm going to get told I have to stop altogether. I don't WANT to stop, I like it. I want to be able to stop this use of alcohol as a reward though.

And there in lies the problem.

You feel you need a REWARD. So find one, a better one, a different one....

I was like you, I said those EXACT words - "I don't want to stop, I like drinking, etc"

If it's not making you fuzzy or touching the sides then it's just habit now surely? Why bother if you get nothing but weight gain, poor health and a lower bank balance from it.

Read those words and you'll nod your head. I did when that was pointed out to me. You have a wonderful goal to work towards, a fantastic opportunity to show the world, your dad but more importantly. YOURSELF that you can stop this in it's tracks after so very long and begin a new routine.

I hope that your tests come back okay sweets, of course. I also hope that you can cut down if that's what you want to do. I feel however, that you will have to stop and find a new habit or reward to treat yourself with.

Since I've stopped pickling my organs, I've treated myself to some gorgeous skin care, I've had spa days because I am THINNER, my skin is BRIGHTER, I feel SEXIER, I feel like being ME again and that was never my aim...... that happened anyway. I have lost over 1.5 stone from dropping the vino collapso.

Reading your post tells me that you're in the right place and a huge welcome to you too (I forgot that bit! Blush) but you've posted here for a reason. What you do next is up to YOU Smile xx

I hope you're not offended by my this is how it is tone, I'm just trying to make you understand that the only one who can change you is YOU.

OP posts:
Mouseface · 13/02/2013 14:20

Clutter - thank you for the well wishes. Nemo is really poorly, off school, coughing has gotten so much but they won't give him anything because the current virus he has is lasting around 6 weeks. Hmm

He's vomiting his tube out on a daily basis now, fed up, hungry, has a very sore chest and face from the runny nose, he's not playing and just wants me. He's not sleeping properly, nor am I, he's pale and just so wee............ DH is almost better, DD is fab and has avoided the germs so far bless her!

He coughs ever few seconds, it's like a 30 second cycle of coughing Sad

Sorry not have caught up, I will try and pop back later. Lots of love to you all xx

OP posts:
eminemmerdale · 13/02/2013 14:23

sorry to hear that mouse You really are amazing. I hope he begins to rally a bit.

obrigada · 13/02/2013 14:26

Hugs to you Mouse and extra special hugs for Nemo.
Tiger congrats on dry January:)
Gugg like you my evenings are spent indoors and I need to do something else with my evening besides sitting on couch watching telly!

eminemmerdale · 13/02/2013 15:10

I have been desperately trying to think of things to do in the evenings too. :( It's really hard. I go swimming a couple of evenings but that gets boring if I go too often to be honest. I thought of joining a drama group or something..

venusandmars · 13/02/2013 15:11

Hi alabaster and well done for posting with such honesty. I understand what you say about 'not being hungover, not feeling fuzzy, not passing out, not upsetting people' - most of the time I would have said the same about myself. But we know that 6-9 units a night is a lot, and if you are not experiencing any of these, then your body has become pretty accustomed to having to process and deal with that level of alcohol (either that or you are not seeing clearly some of the possible impact).

My last part is not meant to be mean, but I know that I thought I rarely had a hangover, until I realised what normal sleep and waking up was like, and I thought I functioned well, when in reality I was operating at well below par, and as for upsetting people - well I'm calm and placid so it didn't happen often, but it did happen sometimes Blush

I also found that after a long time of drinking at the level you did, I found my habits changing subtly. So kids don't go to bed till nine, hmmmm did I wait till then for a drink? err no, I started earlier, before they'd gone to bed - but not at seven, perhaps at 6pm, or 5pm. So some of it crept up on me insidiously.

One of the best words about how drinking habits CAN escalate gradually ( and not saying that yours would) is the word yet. So my liver is damaged - yet. I don't drink more than one bottle - yet. I'm not drinking alone - yet.... you get the picture. Well done you for taking action now, and for integrating it into the rest of your lifestyle before any of those 'yets' become real.

venusandmars · 13/02/2013 15:19

eminem go on, do it, I dare you to try. I went to a drama group years ago and we laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed. Or try any other group activity that is new - singing, cooking, drumming, difficult dancing. You will find it completely absorbs your mind so that for the 2 hours or so that that you are doing it you cannot think of anything else - whether that is drinking, loneliness, or poor sel-perception.

Fairenuff · 13/02/2013 15:21

Hello and welcome to the bus alabaster Smile

It sounds to me like you are overwhelmed with this compulsion to drink every single day and terrified at the thought of not being able to. You're not alone there, I know what you mean as I used to feel pretty similar myself.

If the thought of never drinking again is too daunting, try not to focus on that too much for now. Just take it nice and slow. One day at a time.

You say you usually drink from 7pm so finding something else to do at that time will help. How about going for a swim? How about doing something every evening at 7pm that will get you out of the house or just out of your routine?

If you can put off that first drink until 8 or 9 it will help. Also, if you could pour that last drink down the sink instead of into your body, that will help too.

When you are ready, just do one evening without drinking. Get a stock of soft drinks, teas, coffees, hot chocolate, etc. and drink those instead. Soda with lime, lots of ice and a slice of lemon is a lovely alternative. Don't think about the rest of your life, just concentrate on treating your body to one evening without alcohol.

When you're comfortable with that, try upping it to two evenings a week, then three and so on. You will find that you don't really need that habit as much as you thought you did. Hopefully, you will become less afraid of life without alcohol and then, if you have to stop for your health, it won't be so difficult or scary.

But it all starts with just one day. Good luck. Keep posting and let us know how you get on. Even if it all goes tits up Grin

Mouse sorry to hear Nemo is suffering again. How about yourself? Any let up with the pain? But enough about your dh, how's the medication working, haha Wink

Hi to all. Special wave to Tiger for being brave and posting even when shy x

Oooh, ps, can I join the de-clutter bandwagon. (I'll join anything, me Grin). I've got the urge to spring clean but the weather isn't springy enough to motivate me to actually get off my arse and do something about it. I want all the windows opens and sunlight streaming in. It doesn't have to be warm, just not so blimmin coooooold!

Fairenuff · 13/02/2013 15:24

eminem I did belly dancing a while back, that was great fun.

Lemonylemon · 13/02/2013 16:12

Afternoon All!

{{HUGS}} to everyone that needs them. Mouse an especially big one for Nemo

Day 3: I WILL NOT BE DRINKING TONIGHT

My trigger is cooking the evening meal. I do like a nice glass of wine while I'm cooking. So now, it's Cherries & Berries with sparkling water (most of the time).

To keep my fingers and brain busy after C has gone to bed, I knit. I'm knitting a patchwork blanket at the moment, on circular needles, which are a little bit fiddlier than straight needles....

Can't wait to get out in my garden again. I have 3 peonies which I think I need to move. I have a Euphorbia (two, in fact) which desperately need cutting back. My flowering currant has, well, flowered and decamped high into the sky, so needs a good prune. I want my patio plants back. My cats have used the pots as toilets, horrid pusscats.... Angry

alabasterangel · 13/02/2013 16:25

Thank you all. Sorry to hear you have obvious problems with Nemo mouse, it all sounds very serious. I hope he is okay.

Everyones comments are valid, no one has peed me off or said anything untrue. I'm extremely grateful.

I've thought today about swapping the bedtime routine a bit, asking if we can swap over who does the stories and tucking in bit, so maybe I am upstairs a bit longer and can try to alter certain habits. I do have a fabulous hobby; I'm a silversmith and jewellery maker, and I do some of that most evenings when DH is watching boring man-tele. But as I say, this stupid wine doesn't touch the sides. It doesn't impede me doing my hobby one bit! I'm not generally a "sit down with a drink" person either - I drink while I am doing the mundane stuff after the kids are in bed - cooking (thats the killer), cleaning the kitchen, getting bags ready, ironing. By the time we eat at 8.30 and then I finish my drink while I'm clearning away, I don't drink after 9pm when I finally do sit down. I suppose I could make DH clear up Wink but I'm not letting him near the cooking - he's terrible!

I am going to make sure I resume something I did before I had kids - swim once a week, which fairenuff mentioned too. I've told DH that for one night he will have to promise to be home from work at 6 so I can go out, and he can be responsible for the whole bedtime routine from start to end, and getting us something very basic ready for supper (even if I've bunged it in the slow cooker earlier). He's up for that, and in return he wants to go back to doing some rugby traning one night a week, so thats good too - won't hurt either of us.

And I've got decluttering to do! I'll join that idea. Maybe another night a week I could vow to have a de-cluttering or ebaying night. Bit hard to declutter upstairs (my two wake up at the drop of a pin) but could certainly do downstairs.

Absolutely what mouse says - I have no idea what I'm gaining from this, and yes, i might be okay 'now' but this is obviously a watershed - tests or no tests, I can't keep on like this, I desperately want to go back to the Maldives when the LO's are old enough to stay with my Mum for 10 days (so a long term plan, maybe 5 years away?!) and I suspect if I ditched the booze Sunday-Thursday or more, for 5 years, I could PAY for that quite easily..... another thought to keep near.

If I have nights when I don't drink (I have gone through times of having one or two nights a week drink free, but now I want to do more, I want the ratio to be balanced the other way!) then the next day I always think 'see? that was easy!' but thats the daytime, and I've never been bothered with drinking in the day whatsoever.

Thank you kind ladies, I'll be back soon.

obrigada · 13/02/2013 16:33

Lemony, I absolutely love patchwork quilts, can someone who hasn't knitted in years (and wasn't particularly good at it) manage to make one of them???
Would be a great way of keeping my hands busy (and not reaching for a cigarette) Wink