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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 04/01/2013 14:12

Thread opener here: webaunty.co.uk/mumsnet/ Smile
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It's January 2013, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
March 2011
November 2011
January 2012
November 2012

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.


Welcome to the Stately Homes Thread.

This is a long running thread which was originally started up by 'pages' see <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/440839-but-we-took-you-to-stately-homes-a-thread-for" target="_blank">original thread here</a> (December 2007)

So this thread originates from that thread and has become a safe haven for Adult children of abusive families.

One thing you will never hear on this thread is that your abuse or experience was not that bad. You will never have your feelings minimised the way they were when you were a child, or now that you are an adult. To coin the phrase of a much respected past poster Ally90;

'Nobody can judge how sad your childhood made you, even if you wrote a novel on it, only you know that. I can well imagine any of us saying some of the seemingly trivial things our parents/siblings did to us to many of our real life acquaintances and them not understanding why we were upset/angry/hurt etc. And that is why this thread is here. It's a safe place to vent our true feelings, validate our childhood/lifetime experiences of being hurt/angry etc by our parents? behaviour and to get support for dealing with family in the here and now.'

Most new posters generally start off their posts by saying; but it wasn't that bad for me or my experience wasn't as awful as x,y or z's. 

Some on here have been emotionally abused and/or physically abused. Some are not sure what category (there doesn?t have to be any) they fall into.

NONE of that matters. What matters is how 'YOU' felt growing how 'YOU' feel now and a chance to talk about how and why those childhood experiences and/or current parental contact has left you feeling damaged falling apart from the inside out and stumbling around trying to find your sense of self-worth. 

You might also find the following links and information useful if you have come this far and are still not sure whether you belong here or not.

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0553814826/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0553814826&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Toxic Parents' by Susan Forward.</a>

I started with this book and found it really useful.

Here are some excerpts:

"Once you get going, most toxic parents will counterattack. After all, if they had the capacity to listen, to hear, to be reasonable, to respect you feelings, and to promote your independence, they wouldn't be toxic parents. They will probably perceive your words as treacherous personal assaults. They will tend to fall back on the same tactics and defenses that they have always used, only more so.

Remember, the important thing is not their reaction but your response. If you can stand fast in the face of your parents' fury, accusations, threats and guilt-peddling, you will experience your finest hour.

Here are some typical parental reactions to confrontation:

"It never happened". Parents who have used denial to avoid their own feelings of inadequacy or anxiety will undoubtedly us it during confrontation to promote their version of reality. They'll insist that your allegations never happened, or that you're exaggerating. They won't remember, or they will accuse you of lying.

YOUR RESPONSE: Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen".

"It was your fault." Toxic parents are almost never willing to accept responsibility for their destructive behavior. Instead, they will blame you. They will say that you were bad, or that you were difficult. They will claim that they did the best that they could but that you always created problems for them. They will say that you drove them crazy. They will offer as proof the fact that everybody in the family knew what a problem you were. They will offer up a laundry list of your alleged offenses against them.

YOUR RESPONSE: "You can keep trying to make this my fault, but I'm not going to accept the responsibility for what you did to me when I was a child".

"I said I was sorry what more do you want?" Some parents may acknowledge a few of the things that you say but be unwilling to do anything about it.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate your apology, but that is just a beginning. If you're truly sorry, you'll work through this with me to make a better relationship."

"We did the best we could." Some parents will remind you of how tough they had it while you were growing up and how hard they struggled. They will say such things as "You'll never understand what I was going through," or "I did the best I could". This particular style of response will often stir up a lot of sympathy and compassion for your parents. This is understandable, but it makes it difficult for you to remain focused on what you need to say in your confrontation. The temptation is for you once again to put their needs ahead of your own. It is important that you be able to acknowledge their difficulties without invalidating your own.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I understand that you had a hard time, and I'm sure that you didn't hurt me on purpose, but I need you to understand that the way you dealt with your problems really did hurt me"

"Look what we did for you." Many parents will attempt to counter your assertions by recalling the wonderful times you had as a child and the loving moments you and they shared. By focusing on the good things, they can avoid looking at the darker side of their behavior. Parents will typically remind you of gifts they gave you, places they took you, sacrifices they made for you, and thoughtful things they did. They will say things like, "this is the thanks we get," or "nothing was ever enough for you."

YOUR RESPONSE: I appreciate those things very much, but they didn't make up for ....

"How can you do this to me?" Some parents act like martyrs. They'll collapse into tears, wring their hands, and express shock and disbelief at your "cruelty". They will act as if your confrontation has victimized them. They will accuse you of hurting them, or disappointing them. They will complain that they don't need this, they have enough problems. They will tell you that they are not strong enough or healthy enough to take this, that the heartache will kill them. Some of their sadness will, of course, be genuine. It is sad for parents to face their own shortcomings, to realize that they have caused their children significant pain. But their sadness can also be manipulative and controlling. It is their way of using guilt to try to make you back down from the confrontation.

YOUR RESPONSE: I'm sorry you're upset. I'm sorry you're hurt. But I'm not willing to give up on this. I've been hurting for a long time, too."

Helpful Websites

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alice Miller</a>

<a class="break-all" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Personality Disorders definition</a>

Follow up to pages first thread:

I?m sure the other posters will be along shortly to add anything they feel I have left out. I personally don?t claim to be sorted but I will say my head has become a helluva lot straighter since I started posting here. You will receive a lot of wisdom but above all else the insights and advice given will 'always' be delivered with warmth and support.

Happy Posting (smithfield posting as therealsmithfield)

I have cut and pasted this because I think it is fab. Just in case anyone misses the link.

More helpful links:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Daughters of narcissistic mothers</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://outofthefog.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Out of the FOG</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9408_a.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">You carry the cure in your own heart</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.havoca.org/HAVOCA_home.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Help for adult children of child abuse</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.pete-walker.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pete Walker</a>

Some books:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0749910542/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0749910542&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Homecoming</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1439129436/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1439129436&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Will I ever be good enough?</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0060929324/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0060929324&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">If you had controlling parents</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0385304234/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0385304234&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">When you and your mother can't be friends</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1572245611/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1572245611&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Children of the self-absorbed</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0671701355/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0671701355&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Recovery of your inner child</a>
OP posts:
FairyFi · 24/01/2013 15:47
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FairyFi · 24/01/2013 15:53

the Smile was for your success on the post before your last. thanks too. I hope you can feel a bit encouraged about what you are doing, and to try not feel guilty?

chocoholic89 · 24/01/2013 16:29

Yeah I know that by me having no contact with them makes me less stressed and problems betweem m and my bf will go away.Sometimes I get lonley and that's when I miss them..but I cannot put my mind on what I miss because all I remember growing up is bad memorys.I jus gotta remember this will pass.

NewPatchesForOld · 24/01/2013 17:30

FairyFi your story made me think of another occasion - when I was having my miscarriage, and was amidst all the abuse from exH I asked my mum in desperation before to fly over to Germany with me (where I lived at the time) to collect as much of my stuff as I could carry and bring it back to uk with us before exH got back from holiday and stopped me.
Now bear in mind I was miscarrying (haemorrhaging), distraught and ill. We flew to Germany, and when we got to the flat I broke down and cried, feeling so very very sick, and trying to decide what I could rescue of mine and the DC...know what she did? She took off her t shirt, stripped down to her bra, and went and sat on the balcony effing sunbathing!!!! She even took 2 dining chairs outside so she could sit on one and put her feet upon the other! We were flying back the same day, and she left me to do it all myself, hysterically crying and heavily bleeding while she sunbathed??? She actually said to me 'ah, this is looovely'!

Peacock love your idea! I may just do that!

Well, it was 9.30 this morning when I spoke to her and she said she'd call me back...it's now 5.30 and I've heard nothing. I know what her excuse will be 'oh my mobile was broken and I don't have your number'...well she could have taken it off 1471, or asked my brother for it...there really is no excuse. DP just called and knew there was something wrong and asked me what it was but I can't explain it...I just feel so bloody shitty because of it all.

I really need to get a grip.

x

FairyFi · 24/01/2013 18:03

Patches appalling story in the midst of your trying to escape FW ex too Sad and miscarry Sad sorry to hear.

I'd forgotten til hearing that: I was with mine and I was driving when I started to miscarry, the first few stabs of pain went right through me and I had to pull over, no flicker of concern from her as I sat there gasping (I think she might even have looked at me, or said something, like I was having amdrams). Eventually I just wanted to get home and started off again, drove us back to mine where everyone else [Ps & FWExH] proceeded to prepare big dinner and watch movie (life as normal) whilst I carried on miscarrying upstairs alone, crying and in pain on the loo - oh, no, thats unfair, FW ExH eventually brought me a hot water bottle and pain relief that I was calling for! Nobody, Ex included, spoke of it again or offered any words even! The littany of episodes is endless, but say so much about the level of care forthcoming, or not! One of the most hideous things for me I think was jus being completely ignored, and me settling into accepting that as ok, and that I didn't deserve any kind of attention or concern for me - sick.

I hope you recounting your story makes it a bit clearer whats going on with the calls, or lack of? It hurts until we stop expecting anything back I reckon.

thanks for your wishes re end of marriage choc I realise I recovered from that ok in comparison to the parents situation!

IncogKNEEto · 24/01/2013 18:41

Attila thanks for your post, and yes I think that I am still stuck in the fog. She hasn't phoned me once since we had our email exchange in October, she has texted me a couple of times and I have replied, last night and today I've stuck to my guns and ignored her last message.

I never actually said anything about going NC to her, I just stopped calling/texting, it was quite a change as prior to NC I had been seeing her three times a week and speaking to her every day!

Am sure that she thinks it is because dh and I are back together (they don't like each other, and this was made clear in our email exchange in October), she would never expect me to do this off my own back (even though I did go NC for 7 months in my early twenties).

I have never had an apology, ever, for anything, and I know I won't get one now, she is certain that she has done nothing wrong.

I spoke to my aunt (mother's younger sister, who is also pretty much NC with her for past 18 months) and we talked a lot about what had happened when I was a child/teenager, and she said that she had spoken to mum about how she treated me so differently to db, and that she thought it was wrong. Mother just said that she treated me differently because I was difficult, and that aunt was wrong!

Also, aunt said that when she and mother had discussed me, mother told her that I had apologised for anything and everything that I had done wrong as a teenager, so aunt asked if she had apologised to me, mother was horrified and said 'why would I apologise to magpie, I haven't done anything wrong'.

And that sums it up really. I don't know if I should tell her why I and my family are NC, but she wouldn't understand or acknowledge that it had anything to do with her behaviour,so what's the point?

I have started counselling recently, and will be using that time to process my feelings about the past, better late than never!

My biggest fear is that I have left it too late for my children, they are too young to see through her superficial niceness, but have been exposed to her for several years, especially my eldest DD who is 12.

I am terrified that I parent like my mother, and I don't want my kids to grow up being scared of me and my rages Sad like I was with her.

I am taking positive steps to do my very best to parent my children how I wish I had been parented, but am scared I will fail.

My immediate response to stressful situations is to shout Blush, I tell myself that at least I don't hit my children, but that's just not good enough, I know I need to stop yelling, but don't know how, as it's all I know of how to mother.

I do cuddle my children and tell them that I love them, which is one way I feel I'm different to her, I don't remember ever being told that I was loved, and I never used to be cuddled (apparently I rejected her from an early age and refused to sit on her lap unless I was really ill).

Sorry, that was longer than I intended. I will have a read through others posts and see if I can offer anything useful.

IncogKNEEto · 24/01/2013 19:07

choco well done on going to asda, even though it was hard you still did it, that's great Smile also very well done on persevering with bf DS in the face of such 'helpful' advice. I only managed 5 weeks with dd1, and felt awful afterwards as I had so wanted to keep going until 6 months, but I caved to pressure from exh and m to 'just give her a bottle, it never did you any harm'. I must have grown some balls in the following 7 years because I bf dd2 for 7 months and DS until 13 months, having a supportive dh helped too, as I didn't rely on m as much as with dd1.

Am seriously [shocked] that your parents knocked your door at midnight, how outrageously rude and entitled. Well done for not answering it, that's another boundary enforced Smile

IncogKNEEto · 24/01/2013 19:13

patches and fi sorry about your miscarriages, and that a scary, and already awful situation was made worse for both of you by selfish, toxic parents Sad

snowshapes · 24/01/2013 23:13

Hi there,

i have been lurking on this thread for a while, and I just want to say hello. I have known my upbringing was dysfunctional for most of my adut life, but only recently (last few months) really began to think about the ways in which was actually abusive. My mum is classic NPD and my dad is an alcoholic, and I was the scapegoat, I think. Still am, though am mostly NC apart from when my mum pulls some ambush stunt.

I am moved to post by the posts about miscarriages and lack of sympathy - rings some sad bells - I'm sorry you have been through that too Sad.

Also, I wanted to say that I really admire all of your courage for posting on this thread - it is really hard, I think, for me to find the words, plus there is too much shit to go into. I'm still trying to work it out. It is helpful to see the patterns and make sense of things, though, so thank you to everyone who has posted Thanks.

IncogKNEEto, I totally get what you are saying about wanting to be a good mother. My mother was a rager, it was terrifying. After I went back to work (after DS2) I realised that I was also responding to stress by shouting, and found it distressing (because it upset the children and I hated feeling like I was out of control). The lightbulb moment for me came when I found a woman outside my office having a panic attack and took her inside to help her. Talking to her, she told me that she had to focus on breathing, and so I helped her to breathe. Sounds daft, but since then, when I feel the shouty panic stress come on, I focus on breathing, because shouting is losing control, like panic. It works, I try to recognise the triggers and how I feel physically and then concentrate on breathing till the panicked stressed feeling subsides. That usually gets me enough time to also try and focus on why I am feeling stressed and whether it really is the children I am angry with. Which it is not.

The bigger issue for me then of course was thinking about why I was/am stressed at certain points (it was and is not random), but that is a whole other subject, though I do have an idea now. But it really has helped me to think about how I feel physically at certain points. That may not be helpful for you, but I hope you don't mind me posting it anyway.

I do miss my parents. My marriage is not working and I would so much like to be able to just pack up the kids for the weekend and go visit my parents. Except that would defeat the purpose of trying to get some space in my head because I didn't learn healthy relationships from them and I am not in one now. They would just see it as control pinging back to them.

snowshapes · 24/01/2013 23:17

because shouting is losing control, like panic - sorry, can I just add, I meant to say that is how it feels to me, rather than that is now it is. I feel panicked and my breathing gets shallower.

chocoholic89 · 24/01/2013 23:32

I'd like to thank those who are on this thread even tho its all still raw with having no contact bt it really helps to talk about it on here with those that know what its like..lil man is waking up now time for food! Night all x

FairyFi · 24/01/2013 23:33

Welcome snow I'm sorry thatyou also have these blights in your life Sad thank you for sympathies.

the advice about breathing instead of shouting and drawing the parallel between both as losing control is spot on. I see myself doing that and end up with a banging head with the fuzz flying around in it when trying to think what DC are saying when shouting at me; same as when FW did it, but gave up trying to work out that!

I too miss parents, but sad to say, not my parents.

I hope you will find lots of support for you here in lots of ways, and look forward to you posting some more when you feel ready.

FairyFi · 24/01/2013 23:34

peaceful night to you and your lil man Choc

snowshapes · 24/01/2013 23:46

Thank you, FairyFi. Of course you are right, it is parents I miss, rather than my parents!

When I was growing up, I used to go to the beach to feel calm. I miss the beach, or maybe just having a calm place. It would be nice to have somewhere to go.

Goodnight for now

chocoholic89 · 24/01/2013 23:49

Here too I miss the thought of parents but not actually my parents.That is why I use to always go back because I wanted parents but theyl never Change.only we can and say enough is enough.

NotQuitePerfect · 25/01/2013 08:23

Couldn't agree more about wanting parents - just not the ones that we actually have!

I still get feelings of jealousy when girlfriends talk about their parents & how engaged they all are in each others' lives. The holidays, the babysitting, the general support (practical, emotional and, let's face it, financial).

Never had a tap from either of my parents. All parenting stopped when I was 16 & left home to live with my 30-yr old (paedo) boyfriend. As far as they were concerned I'd made my bed and now I had to lie on it. All the things that we help & support our own dc's with - educational/career choices, driving lessons etc - I never had any help or guidance (or indeed, interest) from my parents (or the paedo).

Wish I could stop being bitter.

NewPatchesForOld · 25/01/2013 08:46

After the miscarriage, for which I got rushed into hospital, and ended up having 2 blood transfusions as I had lost so much blood, I phoned her - traumatised and upset - and she said 'well I'm delighted you lost it, best news I've had'.

snow I am sorry life is and has dealt you the same kinds of crap that we all have been unfortunate enough to get. You would think that as adults we can draw a line under it, but it's impossible, the effects are so far reaching.

Notquiteperfect I think it is a common trait for a lot of children from toxic parents to get into abusive relationships - at least I know I did - I had the marriage from hell, every kind of abuse...emotional, financial, physical and sexual, and the DC also had it (second marriage). It ended in a traumatic trial after I went to the police. Incidentally, I got NO support from her with that. We went to a women's refuge, and exh reported me for abducting my own daughter...the police turned up at her door looking for me and she went mad...what would the neighbours say? Shock She also refused to give a statement to the police about the abuse we had all suffered at the hands of exH because she didn't want the police in her house!

Got to dash and take DD2 to school, sorry for not name checking everyone.

x

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 25/01/2013 09:06

Sorry to here about your mcs patches, that is very sad and i'm sorry you didn't get the support needed by your familySad

My sil had a mc at 12wks, she had pretty much the same response, although she still worships the ground my pil walk on.

NewPatchesForOld · 25/01/2013 09:32

Thanks Pumpkin - I have stopped looking for support now totally, or pride or anything else from her. All I want (and know I am never going to get) is a 'normal' mother, one who I don't have to walk on eggshells around, or take the words out of my mouth and examine them before I actually utter them.

FairyFi · 25/01/2013 14:08

oh, how truly awful patches. You nearly lost your life as well as your baby and thats the response Sad Sad

All we all ever wanted was supportive loving parents, an enormous changed from 'big' disappointment to swallow.

FairyFi · 25/01/2013 14:12

sounding strong choc ? You feeling a bit more that way now? Be prepared for more ambushes and do the same (ignore!). take care x

BiddyPop · 25/01/2013 15:27

I have been thinking about some things over and since Chrismtas, as I felt we as a family (DH, DD and I) ended up missing out on lots of Christmas as we didn't go down to our childhood homes. But we couldn't get anywhere independent to stay for any kind of reasonable price. And up to shortly before the hols, I had thought there would be more people around here too (wider family).

So I went researching, even though DH was saying we'd just stay at his mum's. We normally stay there when we're down, and that's fine. My mum gets sarcastic (and worse) occasionlly about it, but I can handle that.

But it's soo hectic at Christmas in PILs. BIL lives next door with SIL and 3 smallies and there are very few boundaries laid down (kids are rather wild and don't respect things belonging to others at all, or leave people alone who want some quiet time). My parents house is usually full as well and no room for us, and I wouldn't want to stay anyway (I can handle mum in her holiday house, but at home, at Christmas especially, she expects too much of us all and doesn't respect we have things we want or need to do as well).

We've stayed independently a few times before at Christmas and that has been good. It gives us a space to retreat to, and somewhere we can just sprawl at times. It allows DD have time to recover between bouts of chaos (aspergers means being out of routine is very stressful for her and neither house realises what we face as a result as she usually manages to put on a coping face and unleash it all when safe with just us). And it means we have somewhere to celebrate DD's birthday without 1 granny's nose being out of joint at 1) not hosting and 2) having to go to the other granny's house.

I have actually found somewhere for us to stay! Close to my house but not right there, not far from DH's, looking out to sea (I love the sea at winter!). So I am booking that today. It means I can go about getting organised for Christmas and enjoying it, rather than stressing for months. At least about part of it Grin

It also means that I will have somewhere that I can leave my "armour" off me. I don't mind relaxing a bit in MILs but I am much more relaxed there when my parents are not in residence so I am not trundling between the 2.

Sorry, I know that's all about me, life is hectic, and I find it useful to offload here without even expecting a response.

chocoholic89 · 25/01/2013 15:50

OH MY!! I woke up at 10 stayed in bed till 11 really couldnt b boverd 2 do anything then gt my lil boy and I dressed looked out ov window freezin cold wiv hail stone and snow..Bt I don't no were it come from we got wrapped up and we went out I was still a little panicky bt carried on I taken my baby to get weighed and am so proud he a whopping 15.6 at 14week..and managed to do a bit of food shopping! I was so anxious to go out bt I managed it. Sorry I can't give much support to the rest of u guys as I'm still not over everything and trying to deal with it but give it time x

FairyFi · 25/01/2013 21:15

sounds like a good day choc Smile again Smile lovely news of lil man's weight gain. Clever boy, clever mummy! and some food shopping. no pressure for support, its more important you get the support you need right now. Well done for keeping on!

Hope the posting helped biddy you seem to be finding a way to manage 'with' them, which I couldn't seem to do.

chocoholic89 · 26/01/2013 01:29

Yeah had a ok day got an app thru for an initial review with a counciler.Not for anuva 3weeks tho hope it helps.I know I'm never going to forget but I just want to be abl to deal with things and not get depressed.

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