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It will all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end...the crap continues and I need hand holding again please

113 replies

chocoreturns · 19/12/2012 20:08

So, I guess I'm at a WWYD moment. I have thrashed it out in my own head every which way I can and come up with nada, no solution. Zip. So I am turning to the collective wisdom of MN to help me out. I figure a quick straw poll of you lot will tell me pretty swiftly what my next step should be.

It all boils down to contact with my twunt STBXH for my boys, now aged 2 and a half, and nearly 6 months. This is the current set up: I drive them half an hour away to my MIL, EOW on both a Saturday and a Sunday morning. I sit in a hotel cafe for an hour and a half on both days to wait for our baby to be brought back. Usually DS2 is returned within the hour. I then drive home. Total time spent doing this, 3 hours on both days. I get zero child free time as a result, bar the forty five minutes or so in the cafe waiting with a cup of tea. DS1 is then played with by STBXH until around 4.30, MIL makes all their meals and then MIL ferries DS1 home to me.

STBXH does not pay for his Mum's travel costs, or contribute anything to the cost of putting him up with his girlfriend (who was the OW) every other weekend. He does travel about 3 hours by car to stay there. MIL did not want his gf to stay with them, because she was utterly devastated by their affair but twunt told his mum that unless she put up his gf as well as him, he would simply stop coming to see the boys. MIL has decided to do what he has told her to because she can't bear the thought of him giving up on the children altogether. I think she's mad, but I say nothing - their relationship is none of my business. I don't like being lied to (they have all maintained that OW didn't meet DS's until last weekend but she's been coming since DS2 was born) but realise I can't do anything about that.

Anyway that info is purely to avoid drip feeding, it may or may not be relevant. The place I'm at now is that (bar the drive to stay at MIL's) twunt STBXH does nothing to take responsibility for his time with the DS's. He does not arrange activities, pay for anything they do, cook or contribute to the cost or effort of bringing the boys to see him. Most of that is done by MIL or I. I can see what a strain it's putting MIL under. We have a good relationship and she is often in tears at my house. Her own DH is undergoing treatment for cancer while they play host to STBXH and his girlfriend and our kids EOW. I don't feel I can keep letting things carry on like this indefinitely because it's so unfair on them. They are in their late sixties, dealing with a possibly terminal illness, and all this cost/effort too. I know they do it because if they didn't, he would probably not bother to see our kids.

I'm reaching a point where I personally think that's not a bad thing. Contact was suspended for 5 weeks recently due to him bullying and intimidating me through contact, the kids didn't even notice he was gone. Everyone else did though - the opportunity to relax was amazing and I saw the benefit not just on me, but on MIL and her DH.

I am considering saying to him in the NY that the current arrangements do not work for me, so I will no longer be ferrying the kids to him or waiting around all morning. If he wishes to see them I'll facilitate a reasonable amount but I won't be taking them to MIL any more. If he wants to see them there he has to come get them at the very least. I suspect if I ask him to tell me exactly what contact he wants, he won't bother. So, after that epic post. WWYD? Carry on as we are so the boys have some pathetic relationship with him? Or stop it as I can see the arrangements are taking advantage of his mum and wearing people down, but risk him not seeing them at all?

OP posts:
tribpot · 19/12/2012 22:14

Why is anyone telling you this, choco? How can it help you to know?

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2012 22:15

your boys will soon be even more secondary than they already are to this love's young dream Sad

the way to put your boys first is to put yourself first

really, it is

hevak · 19/12/2012 22:16

Oh Choco, I remember your old thread (I mostly lurked). Are you divorced yet? I'm just wondering if contact arrangements have been/will be agreed as part of a divorce? I'm no expert. Your solicitor would probably be able to advise you what to write in a letter and what to offer to XH for revised contact arrangements.

FWIW I agree with whoever it was who suggested making the children available between X time and X time on one day EOW for your XH to collect the boys if he wishes. I also think it will end up with your MIL doing the ferrying about in this set up! If in the very unlikely event he actually sees them on a regular basis he takes them out and they are returned early/cold/without asthma medication etc then I think you should use this evidence to push for contact in a contact centre. Obviously the risk is that he might actually cause permanent harm/damage to one of the boys, so it's your judgement call to make as to how likely that would be. I get the feeling that he's probably not that irresponsible but I don't know him like you do. I remember you describing how he had never looked after your DS1 when he was a baby and how you had doubts he would know how to look after DS2 during contact... well obviously your instincts were right!

I'm sure I've cross posted with lots of others who have much better advice! I have wondered about you and I've been hoping you are doing well - it sounds like you and your boys are happy, which is great! As always, I'm amazed at your strength and your dedication to doing the right thing by your boys. Xmas Smile In my opinion you should let XH drop out of regular contact and ensure you maintain contact with your lovely MIL but seeing as I'm just a random on tinternet you'd better make up your own mind!

chocoreturns · 19/12/2012 22:17

it doesn't help. Its all part of this messed up situation where the boundaries are non existent.

AF I'm listening.

OP posts:
tribpot · 19/12/2012 22:19

Fortunately you're now getting good at setting the boundaries, as you did when contact was withdrawn. Time to get some more practice :)

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2012 22:24

I was just going to ask that, trib

if my memory serves me correctly, choco, you are privy to far too much info about these star crossed lovers

what good is it doing you ?

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2012 22:25

my internet connection is pissing around

sorry for the slow replies

imdreamingofaskyebluechristmas · 19/12/2012 22:31

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

blackcurrants · 19/12/2012 22:38

Choco I am sorry I am late to the thread but please listen to dear Cogito and AuntyFucker and TELL THIS FUCKER TO FUCK THE FUCK RIGHT OFF!

He's treating you and your darling boys like shit and it makes my blood boil. And I'm due on Friday so I KNOW about blood boiling! Don't make me come over there and smack some people...

Midwife99 · 19/12/2012 22:42

No this can't go on. Even setting aside you & the children's needs you MIL & her H who is suffering from cancer cannot be expected to cope with this. After XMAS (next week!) it all changes. Who gives a fuck where he stays or who with. He picks up & drops odd from you. End of.

tribpot · 19/12/2012 22:45

Although whilst the weather's nice and cold, I would make sure to linger during the drop off so that OW freezes her shagging arse off in the back garden. Tee hee.

TalkativeJim · 19/12/2012 22:46

Sounds as if more harm will come to your boys from having this specimen as their template for 'father' than not.

He doesn't give a shit about them. That's the bottom line.

They're going to grow up knowing that. And what else is there for them within that family? It's most likely that he and his OW will split, if not, it's not as of they're going to have a reliably decent stepmum to look to instead - she must be pretty much pond life to get involved with a man in these circumstances, not to mention thick as a brick.

If I were you I would indeed stop running about. And tell MIL exactly why, even to the point of telling her that you hope she doesn't step in in your place to help facilitate her grandchildren learning just how some parents can be.

Your children will have a family on their father's side, and because of that will know about him and be 'connected'. But to be honest, it's probably better for everyone if he was left to go his own sweet way.

TalkativeJim · 19/12/2012 22:46

...just how SHIT some parents can be

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2012 22:48

Lovely to see some of the old favourites on this thread (but not lovely that choco is struggling..)

Midwife99 · 19/12/2012 22:53

GRRRRRRRR!! Have sent message in usual place!! GRRRRRRRR!!!

Midwife99 · 19/12/2012 22:54

Hello girls xxx

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2012 22:55

wotchoo doing, midwife ?Grin

Midwife99 · 19/12/2012 22:57

Skye for once I agree with absolutely every word you said!!! New baby on the horizon - all change to suit those arseholes!!

Dozer · 19/12/2012 23:12

Here's to you chocco Wine Thanks

blackcurrants · 19/12/2012 23:17

It was all so horribly predictable, choco, that you more or less predicted it yourself earlier in the year.
He doesnt really care about the boys. He doesn't even care for them adequately when he HAS them. And having you wait for him in a.caff somewhere must make him feel like such a big man, soooo important. Which is what it is all about, for him, isnt it?!
Gah!
Makes me want to throw things. Your being reasonable is NOT what is best for your dar boys. His having access to them at all doesnt seem to be for.them.

Midwife99 · 19/12/2012 23:27

Hey where Choco is, I am! Hand holding, virtual baby whispering, twunt assassination - you need it - I does it!! Or at least try. Thanks

blackcurrants · 19/12/2012 23:31

Burn 'em all!

blackcurrants · 19/12/2012 23:32

[May be slightly under the influence of hormones]

ScarletWomanoftheChristmasTree · 19/12/2012 23:32

Oh Choco, you seem to be on the right track and now all the lovely mners are backing you up and encouraging you to go with your plan. Good for you. Do it.

He's a wrong'un. The strain on both you and MIL is too much, and it doesn't sound like the present arrangement benefits your dcs at all.

Best of luck in straightening this out. Actually quite simple. Xmas Smile

Midwife99 · 19/12/2012 23:42

AF & trib are right. The DCs will learn that fuckface stbxh & slaggybitch ow's "arrangements" are more important than them. You need to really think about what they & you DESERVE. That's not to be guilt tripped into sitting in cafes so they can play with dolls but keep you & MIL close at hand in case of any pesky crying, dirty bottoms, asthma attacks. When suits you & the DCs, how long, where & who. End of!

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