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Sharing naked pictures taken and shared without someone's permission in order to bully them

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Offred · 24/11/2012 08:55

Haven't name changed because I don't want to undermine ability to advise.

Also, am not interested in advice which tells me I am wrong to be upset about this or this is a small issue I shouldn't be making it into a big one because it is pointless given I have a different opinion which I am not going to change. What I want is a bit of support/advice with thinking this through in the context of me feeling it is wrong.

Dh's best friend visiting last night. Something weird going on between him and I anyway; on Thursday he texted me (not uncommon) asking what I was up to, I replied I was tired and stressed, the house was a mess and I was avoiding it in the bath and contemplating drinking a half drunk old bottle of wine which might be vinegar by now. Cue a whole night of pestering to send him a picture of me in the bath indirectly. This kind of thing is not uncommon, he's quite like this (Pervy) fairly indiscriminately when he has been drinking.

Last night it was a bit like he was trying extra hard to be a sexist prick, telling me repeatedly i wouldn't be interested in things because i was female and asking dh's opinion about stuff because he was a man. At one point he got out his phone and was laughing that he had a picture of a woman half naked on it to show dh. He does this kind of thing fairly often too - trying to give dh porn (will not have it in the house where we have 4 small children). I am seriously anti-porn; they both know this so I was already Hmm

He went on to say the photo had been taken without permission by the woman's ex and when they split distributed round the school she used to work in causing her to leave her job and move away, the kids in her new school got hold of the photo and distributed it, crazily so did the teachers and even though he left the school in July, even he got texted it.

I feel Angry and :( for this woman, I told him it was really really inappropriate, his reaction was "so what? She's over 16..."

My dh was joining in with my expression that it was wrong at this point so friend says "so you don't want to see it then?" Dh says "well I didn't say that!" and giggles so then friend holds the phone up and dh looks and friend bangs on about the photo.

At this point I had not had a drink because I had a cold. I have been trying to be kinder to dh recently so have been going to things with his friends (they aren't my friends or people I particularly like but he normally wants me to come when he meets them all), cooking nice food for him, trying not to rant about politics or put things on the TV that he hates etc that day I had been cooking a curry and stuffed parathas and cleaning the whole house from top to bottom/sorting out our bedroom so it would be nice for him (us) when he came home. I also have a stinking cold and by 8.30 when we sat down I was knackered but had lemsip rather than going to bed because friend was coming round. This just felt like a slap in the face from him.

At that point I felt I had a choice between making my feelings known or having a drink so I would be able to continue to be friendly. One of the things that stresses dh out is when I argue moral points like this with his friends so I am trying to bite my lip.

So all night I pretended to be friendly and casual and this morning I am angry at myself for allowing myself to a. Be changed and b. be walked all over like some bastarding doormat when I'm trying really hard to be kind.

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Offred · 24/11/2012 15:57

I should be able to behave how I like towards the friend (within reason) though without him being such a dick. I posted the exact same thing on Facebook as I had said in that text on thurs. What I said or didn't say/did or didn't do is exactly the wrong issue in my mind. That is exactly the kind of thing I think it would be pointless to get into since I don't behave differently towards the friend than anyone else. I found him attractive for a while but have always shut down his perviness whenever it has crossed the line into that.


Nothing would make me feel attracted to him now in any superficial way I ever was before. I find some other people attractive too; so shoot me, doesn't give them the right to speak down to me or try and bait me to send them pervy pics, I think everyone can see that is very inappropriate. So whilst I think I can see what you're saying charbon, that is something I see as a private issue I need to address with myself and not something it's be advisable for me to discuss with dh.

He can read the texts any fb messages I've ever sent if he wants but I don't think it is the issue.

I don't think it is proximity as far as his friendships go because his friends are evenly split between up here and down there. Lots of the ones from here he saw more often when he lived down there than he does now and he does have a nice friend up here who he meets regularly but still doesn't meet the others. Especially one who i argued with once and he actively avoids her now. This guy is his best friend and has been for decades so it is quite specific to him.

Think half the problem is this triangle where they want me to go away so they can be friends but arrange to come in my house with me but then are mean to me.

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Charbon · 24/11/2012 16:09

Offred none of us are islands where our own behaviour happens in a vacuum.

It's not the first time by a long chalk that this man has behaved inappropriately towards you but your toleration and occasional encouragement of it (by your I mean you and your husband incidentally) has been received as a message that it is okay to continue and ramp it up.

The first time he behaved like that should have seen a much stronger reaction from the pair of you.

You're not responsible for the behaviour, only your response to it. The same goes for your husband.

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AnyFucker · 24/11/2012 16:12

offred...I am not sure I understand

are you saying there is or has been something between you and this friend of your H's ?

it might explain your reluctance to show your H the texts, and also why you were allowing BikerTwat to trample all over your boundaries by harassing you for naked pics

it may also be the reason for him to show your H naked pics of other women right in your face...he is pushing you for a reaction

are you telling us everything ?

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Offred · 24/11/2012 16:30

I'm not saying I'm an island but I'm also not seeing where you've got tolerance and occasional encouragement either.

I don't tolerate it. The first thing meant he was asked to leave when he said "imagine what it'd be like if we'd got together that night?" In front of dh and I was upset and I avoided him for a while (months). Dh doesn't want to have to choose between me and his best friend so i gave it another go after discussion with other friends.

My mistake was the point where I decided he was not an idiot, because clearly he is an idiot. Also where i decided not to curtail my bog standard approach to all people which is quite flirty. I think also probably actually confronting a lot of this stuff with him and establishing a friendship when i should have stuck with the first approach.

I'm choosing now to believe he is how he behaved last night and not how he has been for the last few years which is flirty but not at all like this although this behaviour is not unusual for him and people say "oh he's harmless" about it. I'm sure I would have behaved differently towards him (carried on avoiding him) if I had thought that way (perv/sexist) about him all along but I don't think it is fair to call me treating him exactly the same as all my other friends (perhaps even much more guarded than with others) tolerating and encouraging his sexism/perviness. Although admittedly I find dealing with that kind of behaviour quite hard.

Especially when a lot of the discussions we've had have been about sexual abuse/harassment and he understands perfectly well how I feel about him, about his perviness (which I told him was pervy last night and many other times) and other more general issues.

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Offred · 24/11/2012 16:35

There hasn't been something anymore than there has been something between me and my best friend who I also find attractive and flirt with or anyone else I socialise with and flirt with BUT this guy is long term single and i think he has form for being fixated on the most inappropriate woman possible. He has told me before he wanted to kiss me when he was drunk but he has said that to every female in the friendship group and they have all told me, including dh, that's just how he is and not to take it seriously.

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AnyFucker · 24/11/2012 16:37

You mean this is a quadrangle not a triangle ?

I must be very boring and have very uncomplicated friendships, that is for sure, because I just don't get all this boundary-crossing going on.

It seems like a smokescreen masking the real issue...your H is a sexist nob just like his mates.

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Offred · 24/11/2012 16:41

Ok, so fine have tolerated a lot of it since i decided to stop avoiding him and i have in a lot of ways become the facilitator for his and dh's friendship but down to what i think was misinterpretation of him rather than anything.

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AnyFucker · 24/11/2012 16:49

Are you going to carry on "facilitating" it whilst ignoring your own needs ?

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Offred · 24/11/2012 16:51

No, categorically not. I have just had a small talk with dh to that effect.

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GhostShip · 24/11/2012 16:53

Offred thats awful, can't believe your DP let him disrespect you so much :(

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GhostShip · 24/11/2012 16:54

hope the talk went okay

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Offred · 24/11/2012 16:54

Also told him about texts btw and how I think they're connected to how he was last night. Dh says he was annoyed by how he was. We have to go out now but will ask him later why he wasn't able to say (properly) he was annoyed by it to him at the time.

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AnyFucker · 24/11/2012 16:57

Good plan. And don't let him off the hook. I hope your H comes to his own conclusion that Bikertwat is not a good person to have around.

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Offred · 24/11/2012 17:00

No, it's not a quadrangle, if anything more like a many pointed star in that I engage in minor flirting with almost everyone unless I'm ranting at them. Grin

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AnyFucker · 24/11/2012 17:01

You don't flirt with me Angry

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Fuckitthatlldo · 24/11/2012 17:01

So this guy and your husband were giggling over a naked photo of a woman taken without her permission and distributed around her work place, causing her to have to leave her job and move? Are they fourteen? And isn't sharing this photo illegal?

Seriously Offred I find that really horrifying. I don't have a male partner (and every time I come onto Mumsnet I thank my lucky stars for that) but this would be a deal breaker for me if I did meet someone and they behaved like this. I'd think they were a total dick, you know? And a nasty misogynist to boot.

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shinyblackgrape · 24/11/2012 17:02

Sorry - just catching up and I'm confused too.

Have you been flirting with him? It seems from your post that your likening him to your best friends who you have flirted with?

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shinyblackgrape · 24/11/2012 17:02

That's good DH is now annoyed.

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Offred · 24/11/2012 17:07

I don't know you in real life AF, but I would if I did, I also find your online persona attractive so you may well be one of my "something"s if I did... Grin

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Offred · 24/11/2012 17:10

Yes, fuckthat, I think although it sounds like an excuse that the reason I'm not mad like that with dh is because he is stupid and unassertive and people pleasing and "bikertwat" literally shoved the phone right in his face.

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Offred · 24/11/2012 17:13

I flirt with everyone in social situations, always have. Sometimes worry about the things charbon suggests because of it but it is learned behaviour in adolescence I find hard to undo. I don't proposition people, ask for naked pictures, talk about "what might have been"or any other creepy thing...

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joblot · 24/11/2012 17:14

I don't want to piss on your chips but flirting is not good and gives mixed messages. I had a gf who flirted lots and it was seriously horrible, felt disrespectful of me

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HandbagCrab · 24/11/2012 17:14

Have fun wherever you're off offred.

From what youre saying you seem to be blaming yourself partly for all this mess because you are flirty.

I personally don't think this is the problem. However, if you feel it is contributing then you can change your behaviour and not be so flirty. It might be a defence mechanism (projects). If alcohol plays a part then maybe don't drink around twatty people who take advantage of your good nature and flexible boundaries (takes own advice :) )

I did think about this a bit and I see you say it is you that has concluded that your dh's behaviour is due to his misandrist (sic) mum. From how you are presenting what he's done I think he's firmly in the misogynist camp I'm afraid. His friends repeated behaviour back this up. I hope you can decide best what you want to do :)

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AnyFucker · 24/11/2012 17:15

ha !

< feels a bit scared >

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Offred · 24/11/2012 17:18

Ha indeed! Stupid somethings nothings

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