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Need tips on dealing with my moody/miserable DH, please - long, sorry!

103 replies

lilacblossom · 21/10/2012 21:36

This is my situation: I've been with my DH for 11 years, married for nearly 6 of those. We have 2 gorgeous children - a boy of 3 and a half and a girl of 14 months. DH works away during the week and comes home weekends after a week working a very high-pressure job and driving 200 miles to see us. I'm a SAHM, desperate to go back to work part-time!

The main issue I'm having difficulty with is my husband's moods/behaviour. I really don't know how to condense in this post exactly how it is. Basically, what might seem like a very small/trivial thing to you or me will set him off in one of his moods where he won't talk to me. I hate confrontations and atmospheres, so my instinct is to ask what's wrong, try to cuddle him/show affection, say sorry even if I don't know WTF is wrong or I don't actually think I'm wrong. Today, for example, started OK. I said I was just going to get washed and dressed before I made him breakfast. Took me about half an hour to get myself and DD sorted. Came downstairs, he said he didn't want any breakfast, was obviously in a mood, arms folded, wouldn't talk to me. After a lot of cajoling he said: 'I don't want to have to wait 2 hours after I wake up to get a cup of tea'. Took about an hour of me trying to humour him to get him to talk to me. It seems that by getting dressed before I got him breakfast was symptomatic of 'my not loving him or caring about him' and always putting everyone else first. I've only just realised, after years of these moods, that they seem to come from insecurity or him not believing I love him. It's weird, isn't it? I am a very demonstrative and affectionate person, but no, this is not enough! Looking back on the day, it seems TOTALLY unreasonable that he is offended by my getting showered and dressed in the morning before I get his effing breakfast.

There are some more extreme examples which I will absolutely cringe to write down, because it will make me look like a proper doormat, but I will. My mother died recently and obviously it has been devastating. About a week after the event he came home for the weekend as usual. At the time, I was sleeping at my mum's house every night since she had passed away, it was the only way I could manage. I asked him if he minded if I took the children to sleep there with me that night - he seemed OK about it as he had work to be getting on with. When I came back the next morning he flounced off in a mood, wouldn't talk to me and just left. I was distraught. I managed to get him on the phone, and he said words to the effect of I didn't care about him, he'd come home to see us and we hadn't been there, he wanted to separate from me. Again, I eventually managed to talk him round. On the day of my mother's funeral he got angry with me for 'losing' all his certificates. (I hadn't, they were stored somewhere and I found them as soon as I went to look for them.) A couple of days after our daughter was born he refused to go and get a pint of milk and told me to go to the corner shop in the car. For some bizarre reason I couldn't get the car out of the drive, so ended up walking, bleeding and anaemic, uphill to get the milk. Still feel resentful about it now!

As I've written this down, I can see what a shit he can be. His mother has spoken to me about his behaviour (my FIL is the same, but even worse). She says the best thing to do is not to answer back or speak up when he is in a mood/one of his rages, but talk to him when he is calm. The problem is, either there never seems to be a time when he is being reasonable and the kids aren't around, and even so, I just can't find the courage or words to speak to him about it, despite being a very strong person generally and also articulate and able to see that this situation is weird and wrong. Also, on the rare occasion that I've retaliated in the heat of the moment he has accused me of being 'disrespectful', he gets even more angry, he walks out, I get upset, I end up saying sorry and we get nowhere.

I realise many of you reading may advise me to tell him to shove his breakfast/certificates/pint of milk up his arse. I have thought long and hard about it, and I don't want a separation or divorce - I don't think any of us would be happier in the long-term, and I am certain my life would be more miserable and problematic. I just can't find the courage to stand up to him - I would really appreciate your thoughts/tips/advice. His behaviour can be very draining at times, especially since I have been through a traumatic bereavement recently and some days feel like I am losing the plot. Anyone been in a similar situation and come through the other side? Thank you.

OP posts:
Autumnmumm · 21/10/2012 22:17

Sorry you're feeling attacked. You don't need to justify anything. This is a supportive environment and people are trying to help you.

I think you need to speak to people in RL. Have you friends near you?

purplewithred · 21/10/2012 22:18

Well if you are really looking for advice on how to be assertive...

What do you think will happen if you
a) ignore his sulks and let him get on with them
B) tell him to shove his cup of tea where the sun don't shine?

Presumably he will do his nut and try to make your life a misery until he breaks you back down. And that's what you are scared of. You need strength to withstand his reaction.

If you do find the strength to withstand the storm then one of three things will happen. Either he will have a personality transplant and you will live happily ever after, or he will dump you for a new doormat, or you will have the strength to leave him. My money is not on the personality transplant but I can understand why you want to give it a go.

Was your mum a doormat? Mine was - well more of a martyr really - and I grew up just like her. wasted about 15 years on a crap relationship.

Mind you your living circumstances aren't exactly ideal for either of you. No excuse for him being such a grade 1 shit but not exactly helpful.

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 21/10/2012 22:19

please don't delete, my reply was snippy but in all honesty your OP broke my heart, I got to the bit where he refused to go to the shops so you had to, 2 days after giving birth and I wanted to vomit. It was such a shocking act of petty cruelty.

Your husband is an abuser, I know that's hard for you to hear but it is the simple truth. He enjoys treating you the way he does because be benefits from it, he has you running around at his beck and call, pandering to him even when your mother has died or you've just had a baby - life is all about him. Standing up to him will either result in two things, 1) he'll escelate his horrible treatment of you or 2) he'll leave and find somebody else he can bully and mistreat.

Put yourself first and your DCs. You do not deserve this treatment.

purplewithred · 21/10/2012 22:21

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I've been in your shoes and know how much you need moral support and some hugs so here they are (((((((((()))))))))).

Viviennemary · 21/10/2012 22:21

How to put up with the unacceptable. You can't without becoming miserable and resentful. It's no good. If he's nice nearly all the time and just sometimes goes into moods well perhaps you can put up with that. But if he's always difficult and moody that's different. Don't stay with a very difficult and moody man. It isn't fair on you or your DC's.

FleetofHope · 21/10/2012 22:25

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pictish · 21/10/2012 22:25

Apologies if you have felt attacked. I am angry on your behalf and it coloured my posts.
I am on your side.

kimberlina · 21/10/2012 22:25

Hi OP. He sounds like my (D)H. He works away in the week too and expects to waltz in and life to stop and revolve around him. When I first heard of EA I felt sick as I was reading about it and then refused to log onto MN for about 6 months as I could not believe that was what I am experiencing. But it was. Things didn't get better. I have accepted that I will probably end up leaving him.
However just recently things have been better. The difference is that I ignore the sulks, talk about what I want to, speak to and see who I want to and no longer care how he reacts. If you distance yourself to their reaction then you realise it can't hurt. So far my DH has been much more pleasant. However I do not honestly think that he has changed. My understanding is that these men do not change. I am biding my time until I can escape with my DD.

I'm so sorry you're in this situation.

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 21/10/2012 22:25

I am sorry you feel so defensive. It will be your undoing. Do you have support in RL, or do you resist attempts to help you by well meaning people there too ?

lilacblossom · 21/10/2012 22:27

ashesgirl thanks for your encouragement...alright, I'll stick with the thread! (It felt fabulous to throw a strop then have someone plead with me to stay...now I can see how he gets off on it!)
Dozer he is a good father to the children, I don't want to split the family up, if we split up then I would still have to have the same amount of contact with him, wouldn't I? I can't magic him out of our lives. I just believe that the best option is for us to be together and BOTH of us try to make the effort to be happy. Counselling is out of the question, btw. I KNOW he would not be up for it.
Autumnnumm I've got a close friend who knows about all this. She's really supportive and we have a laugh about it, believe it or not. Don't know what I'd do without her. And I'm seeing the health visitor on Wednesday. She picked up that I was feeling really down when I took my DD for a routine appt. I wouldn't say this situation is making me depressed, I just feel overwhelmed at times with everything that's been going on.

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angelpinkcar · 21/10/2012 22:31

People just want you to man up, grow a pair of balls and tell your H to go and make his own tea,since when have you been a servant???? Don't be dramatic and get prissy because you don't like what people have said, you can't please people all of the time. MN on here are just worried about you as you sound so unhappy like I was. Stay strong and it will be ok, sleep on it and things will seem diffrenet in the morning

lilacblossom · 21/10/2012 22:32

Yeah, I think I'll sleep on it. Thanks everyone.

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HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 21/10/2012 22:38

he isn't a good father

he treats their mother like shit

that is a bad role model and a bad father

Megan74 · 21/10/2012 22:38

Strangely enough I was going to put a similar post on. I don't have words of advice but can sympathise. H (the 'd' is undeserved right now) has been hideous this weekend. Ar0gumentative, aggressive and just plain nasty. If I stand my ground it turns into a row. I just asked him why he has been so foul and he said I was obnoxious (favourite description of his) for being 10 minutes late for a night out on friday. I missed a train due to work and told him. Twat. The real reason was because I went out shopping with a friend yesterday and he was left alone with the DCs for 7 hours. This was a long standing and exceptional arrangement. If it hadn't been one of his mood weekends all would be fine. He won't admit that's why so instead he picks something I supposedly did wrong to pin it on. I am hot headed and would happily rip him to shreds but that is what he wants. So I don't feed it. I ignore him even though inside I am screaming to answer back. I carry on regardless all bright and breezy and it drives him nuts. Sorry for hijacking but I need to vent. This is all about control. My H hates to not have control and his immediate reaction is anger and moodiness. I also have the distinct feeling he wouldnt be there in a time of need as he is selfish. I have no answers as when the mood lifts all will be fine and most of the time we are ok. For me ignoring it works but not sure its a long term solution.

BabsJansen · 21/10/2012 22:38

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Dozer · 21/10/2012 22:39

I meant counselling for you lilacblossom, not joint counselling. He wouldn't even need to know.

Obviously you hope he'll change and your relationship will be happy. Or that something you do differently can change him. Do you really think that'll happen though?

If he's behaving like this to you, treating you so badly including after birth and bereavement, he isn't being a great dad, even if he's nice to you around them and reserves all this for when they're not there (which I doubt) they will pick up on how he treats you and it will affect them.

Yes, of course if you leave you'll still have contact, but not as much, and you wouldn't be living with him or his moods. And if as you say he's a committed father he would look after the DC OK as per agreed custody arrangements.

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 21/10/2012 22:39

MN will always be here, even if you don't like what posters are saying

janelikesjam · 21/10/2012 22:40

Just to add, I think there are sometimes LTB (leave the bastard) responses on MN that are rude and unhelpful, so I sympathise with your "stick it" response and respect you for that - if only you did that with your DH Confused.

mrsconfuseddotcom · 21/10/2012 22:52

Wow! How have you put up with this?

Yes, he is treating you like a doormat. Sorry, but it's the truth. A man who would wait two hours for a cup of tea would have had a rocket up his ar5e in this house!!!

I wouldn't waste a second longer on him. What a horrid little man.

ashesgirl · 21/10/2012 22:56

No worries, lilac Smile. You're allowed one strop, just one, ok? Grin

madonnawhore · 21/10/2012 22:56

OP I hope you stick around. Please know that everyone here is on your side. But the thing is, none of us who've been in emotionally abusive relationships could tell you in good conscience that there's anything you can do to change his behaviour.

The difficult truth is that there are two options:

  1. Accept he'll never change and find some coping strategies to get you through what will be a pretty miserable existence. You'll also be subjecting your DCs to his twattery and giving them some really unhealthy relationship templates.
  1. Leave him and be astounded at how much happier and freer you and the DCs feel.

I know what it's like to just want to find the magic answer that will solve the problem. But it doesn't exist.

I realise that's a lot to take in right now. But don't have the thread deleted. Do sleep on it. And we'll be here in the morning to listen and sound things out.

AllOverIt · 21/10/2012 23:03

Sorry to say that he won't change.

So, you either ignore his behaviour and hope he'll stop the sulking, challenge him and see how far that gets you, or leave him and have a chance of happiness with someone who deserves you...

But he won't change..

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 21/10/2012 23:14

What would happen if you stopped playing his games?

Sulky DH: I don't want any breakfast.
You: OK, I'll just get me and the kids then.

Were you maybe brought up to believe that your job is to keep a man (or parent?) happy, no matter the cost to yourself?

I mean, I'm getting a headache here just thinking about how angry I would be if DH said, 'I don't want to wait two hours for a cup of tea'. "It's lucky you have two arms and know where the fucking kettle is then!" would be the first thing I said.
Is there a reason why you took this on board as your fault? Rather than being gobsmacked by his lack of adult responsibility...? I guess you're probably worn down if you've been getting this crap for years.

There's a thread on here somewhere for women in emotionally abusive relationships, some of them seem determined to stay no matter the cost, so you might find some support and advice there? Not sure what topic it's in, but advanced search should dig it up for you.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 21/10/2012 23:16

Support thread linky here

cestlavielife · 21/10/2012 23:18

Start with bereavement conselling and go from there.
Know that someone who makes you go out for milk two days after giving birth is a nasty piece of work.
Someone who "ruins" the day of your mother.s funeral with me me me all about his papers is being nasty and uncaring.
Someone who can't get up and make his own tea is a lazy b ....

You manage fine without him During the week.
What on earth does he bring to your lives on the weekend ?