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He wants to separate

586 replies

McBuckers · 09/09/2012 02:06

My DH and I have had a rough couple of years. We live far away from family and close friends and he has a job that involves working evenings and going away for a couple of nights a month.

We have three children - 6, 2 and 3 months. About 10 months ago he had a brief fling with someone he works with. I told him I wanted to end the relationship and he begged me not to. We carried o and went to counselling and things were fine for a while.

Our third child was born in April and things were good for a few weeks but then I started to feel that things were going wrong again and that there may be someone else. On Tuesday night I found a message in his phone. From him to a woman he works with saying that he loved her. It turned out that he had slept with her twice the previous week.

On Thursday night we had a long talk. I can see now that in many ways I have pushed him away for fear of getting hurt again and that he has gone to someone else for that love and affection.

That night we made love - he instigated it and then immediately afterwards he said he wanted a separation. I texted the OW and begged her to please leave him to think about the situation and about our family. Pathetic I know, but I was desperate.

He asked for some thinking time and he stayed away all last night to think about things. This morning her came back and said that if we were to have any sort of future we needed to be honest with each other. He was acting in a very kind and conciliatory way - saying to our baby "daddy's been very silly" and he took us out to lunch and we had a fun day with the kids. The only blot was that he was getting texts from this woman all day and each time he got one he became more distant.

When the kids went to bed we talked, I again apologised for the mistakes that I have made in our marriage but he refused to listen, said that he'd been miserable for years and that he wanted to separate.

He said that he doesn't want to move out as the house is half his and he can't afford to pay half the mortgage and rent somewhere else. But he does want to separate. I know in my heart that we can turn things around and be happy but he doesn't want to listen.

I can't bear the thought of losing him and the thought of sharing custody of the children and breaking their hearts is too much to contemplate.

I don't know whether to force him to leave so that he will (hopefully) miss me and the kids (though obviously this would also give him more time to spend with the OW) or to try and keep hammering home the fact that we could be happy if only he would live me another chance.

He won't even let me cuddle him. I can't eat or sleep and I can't talk to m y friends about it because they all think I should have left him the first time he strayed.

I just want the opportunity too show him how much I love him but he won't let me.

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skyebluesapphire · 13/09/2012 17:32

My H made love to me four times the night before he walked out. It was just sex to him, but to me it gave me the impression that he lived me and wanted to be with me.

You need distance from him while you both work out what you want. At the moment he is getting everything on a plate....

AnyFucker · 13/09/2012 17:37

McB, I found your update very distressing

what is so good about this man, that you would demean yourself like that? He's just a man, and a cruel and faithless one at that

if you think shagging him while he is still shagging OW and acting like a complete doormat will bring him back to you, you are very sadly deluded

all your current behaviour is doing is reducing you further in his eyes

his contempt for you must be total

I am so sorry to be so harsh, but you need someone to say this to you

the thought of you trying to compete with another woman (women) sexually makes me very sad indeed

you effectively have an open marriage now, except he is the one that gets to shag around while you beg, plead and try to act like a wanton sextoy to keep your man

what on earth would you say to a friend who was doing this ?

and why would any woman lower herself so distressingly ??

Rowanhart · 13/09/2012 17:42

Hear hear Any Fucker....

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 13/09/2012 17:48

Do you think maybe he shagged you to keep you sweet so you don't follow through on your ultimatum that from now on he'll have to do his own cooking and cleaning etc?

AnyFucker · 13/09/2012 17:52

My heart is pounding to have typed that, so it will hurt very badly to read it

but fgs love, you need to wake up before you have no self respect left

no man is worth this no man

MadAboutHotChoc · 13/09/2012 17:57

Eww sloppy seconds Sad

And what about STDs?

You and the DC are worth so much more than this Sad

SuffolkNWhat · 13/09/2012 19:04

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Markingthehours · 13/09/2012 19:28

Arguing in front of DD with OW?

Despicable.

Please understand McB you can give your DC a stable happy home on your own. You can do it.

You will do well enough you know on your own. I know it's scary and sad - but that very soon wears off. And when you start to do stuff yourself, make your own decisions, decide when you have fun, take a day off with DC, have a duvet day - whatever little thing you feel like, when you feel like - that's the best feeling. And you get peace of mind.

Now is the time to ask your DH again to leave for ever a week or two, so that you he can get some time to think and clear his thoughts. then you change the locks

Look after yourself McB - you deserve so much better than this.

ErikNorseman · 13/09/2012 19:52

The needing to fuck him is called hysterical bonding. It's a type of territory marking and it feels important at the time, but it means nothing. It just feeds his ego and his delusion of being so amazing that two women are desperate to have him despite what he did to them both.

Texting the ow also achieved nothing. I'm sorry to say but it just continues to feed his ego.

AnyFucker · 13/09/2012 20:39

The way I understand hysterical bonding is when two people who have decided to give their relationship another go (ie. are on the same page) have a lot of sex to validate their decision

this isn't hysterical bonding, this is sacrificing yourself on the altar of a cruel man who gives not a shit about you

AnyFucker · 13/09/2012 20:40

in other words naked desperation

it's not attractive, and it really will not work

Proudnscary · 13/09/2012 20:46

Oh Mrs McB, I feel so bloody sad for you. And angry your h has done this to you and is treating you so badly.

It's a shame you feel unable to talk to a close friend or family member in RL...maybe that would be just the right thing to do to make it real and of course to get some support.

I'm not going to echo the harsh but horribly true words others have said above but I do hope you draw strength from these posts and take in what's being said to you - and understand that the advice comes only from concern and kindness.

Many of these women are going through what you are and all are saying that your h needs to go.

skyebluesapphire · 13/09/2012 21:07

yes - hysterical bonding - after my STBXH first walked out and then came back, we made love every night for about 10 nights in a row...... and then several times a week after that. I thought it was because he really did love me. he said it was because he was trying hard to make it work.......

then he left again 6 weeks later. after making love to me 4 times the night before.

AF's words are harsh but true. You would be wise to listen to them

Alurkatsoftplay · 13/09/2012 21:50

Just re- read the op and saw that this is his 2nd affair in a year.

I'm sorry but what does this say about his regard for your marriage?

Really, you have to stop fighting for your marriage. He isn't.

BalloonSlayer · 14/09/2012 08:12

I have deleted two posts before pressing post because I was worried about what I was going to say. But Anyfucker has said similar (only better!)

McB you were doing great, you started showing strength to him, saying "we needed to discuss the separation."

He then "started getting really upset saying that he didn't know what he wanted, he still loves me but isn't in love with me" - that's him panicking, seeing you start to take control. trying to give you a bit of hope to cling on to, so that he gets to keep you and shag the OW.

Then you went one better, pressed your advantage and "said he should get away from it all to consider what he wants" - fab fab FAB! You had him on the ropes there!

Then you threw away all your advantage by shagging him. Now you are 'fighting the OW for him,' and "he got all conflicted again" because he had got what he wanted and does not think he has to try very hard to keep you sweet any more. He has you exactly where he wants you.

Or so he thinks.

Never mind. It's not too late. This doesn't have to continue. You can still take control again.

((( Unmumsnetty hug )))

McBuckers · 14/09/2012 08:15

I have seen the light - this isn't a marriage it's a hotel service.

I've now suggested that he moves in with her during the week and comes back at weekends for the children.

Personally I'd prefer it if he moved in with OW permanently but he's still refusing. I still think he's having some sort of breakdown. His mood changes by the hour. Yesterday he said he was a mess and needed to get away then having spent all day at work with the other woman he says he's clear about what he wants. His perception of normality seems to have gone out of the window.

Right let's start going through Olgaga's links...

Single motherhood here I come!!!

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CremeEggThief · 14/09/2012 08:23

McB, it won't be easy, but it will be a dam sight easier than what you are going through right now. You deserve so much better.

Thanks
fiventhree · 14/09/2012 08:42

THats a great improvement, McB. A good decision for you

Can I make a suggestion, though? Later in the week, why not just say you would prefer he visited the children at the weekends, not moved back in for the weekend?

There are two reasons for this. One, it is less confusing for you and the children.

Two, it takes decisions out of his hands and back into yours. You are the one choosing, not just giving him monday-friday holiday from domestic life.

Personally, I think he isnt worth keeping at all as things stand, but if you really wanted to, I would suggest kicking him out full time and getting him to see the kids outside the house- ie make it really uncomfortable for him, and then when he fucks it all up and wants to come back- he will, he will- then telling him he cant unless he gets independent counselling to face his issues.At least that way, you have a small chance of getting a relationship with a responsible adult.

I am fearful that the half way house thing of him being away during the week will actually suit him very well, as he has both of you and only part time childcare/domestics, in effect.

There is a book called His Needs, her Needs by Willard Harley which has one very useful chapter for you on this sort of thing- he says if the man refuses to give up the affair partner, boot him right out, refuse to discuss anything with him, and tell his family and friends all. Because this puts the maximum pressure on him and the love nest and charming life he has created with the OW is rapidly transformed into his very own private hell.

MadAboutHotChoc · 14/09/2012 08:44

Why does he have to stay in your home at the weekends? He will still be having his cake and eating it - he gets to shag OW all week and be a disney dad at weekends. He made the choice to check out of his marriage - he has to live with the consequences.

Bluegingham · 14/09/2012 08:57

"if the man refuses to give up the affair partner, boot him right out, refuse to discuss anything with him, and tell his family and friends all. Because this puts the maximum pressure on him and the love nest and charming life he has created with the OW is rapidly transformed into his very own private hell."

This, exactly.

C'mon OP. him being there at the weekend will be death by a thousand cuts. Will he still be calling the OW from your home? Bringing a few bits of washing? Chatting to the kids about her? No no no no no.

If he's going, he stays gone. What a cheeky fucker.

Bluegingham · 14/09/2012 09:01

"Personally I'd prefer it if he moved in with OW permanently but he's still refusing."

Make Him Do It.

Pack his things, his clothes, his toiletries, his computer, his books, everything. Put them in a taxi and send them to his office. Every last sock. "Refusing." Angry
So what if he's having a breakdown. So fucking what. Get to your solicitor and start proceedings. All the better if he's vulnerable. He deserves no better.

alienreflux · 14/09/2012 09:03

morning mcb, sooo glad you're feeling stronger today, balloonslayer and anyfucker are dead right, we are here for you, kick the fucking twat to the kerb. let him have his OW you and your kids are going to be better than fine, you're going to be happy, and healthy and love yourself again. You can do it xxx

SuffolkNWhat · 14/09/2012 09:05

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DragonMamma · 14/09/2012 09:14

Delurking because I've been following your posts.

Seriously, you need to throw him out on his backside. Letting him stay at the weekend is madness and you are prolonging the agony and despite what you say, I feel you're living in hope of him 'coming to his senses' and there being a reconciliation. It's not going to happen. He's a twat of the highest order - he's not having a breakdown, you're just looking for excuses for how he's behaving when there aren't any.

Pack his bags and pack him off to OW - he's her concern now, not yours.

Be strong and get angry.

bogeyface · 14/09/2012 09:15

He is not having a breakdown. He is however, happy for you to think that he is as then you will excuse his completely appalling behaviour.

He isnt mentally ill, he is a selfishm thoughtless, cruel and demanding shit head.

He doesnt get to refuse to move out. He leaves, you add a nice fat bolt to the door and hand over the kids to him for his access. End of discussion.

He is a cunt. Do not allow him to manipulate you in this way. Get yourself to a solicitor asap.

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