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He wants to separate

586 replies

McBuckers · 09/09/2012 02:06

My DH and I have had a rough couple of years. We live far away from family and close friends and he has a job that involves working evenings and going away for a couple of nights a month.

We have three children - 6, 2 and 3 months. About 10 months ago he had a brief fling with someone he works with. I told him I wanted to end the relationship and he begged me not to. We carried o and went to counselling and things were fine for a while.

Our third child was born in April and things were good for a few weeks but then I started to feel that things were going wrong again and that there may be someone else. On Tuesday night I found a message in his phone. From him to a woman he works with saying that he loved her. It turned out that he had slept with her twice the previous week.

On Thursday night we had a long talk. I can see now that in many ways I have pushed him away for fear of getting hurt again and that he has gone to someone else for that love and affection.

That night we made love - he instigated it and then immediately afterwards he said he wanted a separation. I texted the OW and begged her to please leave him to think about the situation and about our family. Pathetic I know, but I was desperate.

He asked for some thinking time and he stayed away all last night to think about things. This morning her came back and said that if we were to have any sort of future we needed to be honest with each other. He was acting in a very kind and conciliatory way - saying to our baby "daddy's been very silly" and he took us out to lunch and we had a fun day with the kids. The only blot was that he was getting texts from this woman all day and each time he got one he became more distant.

When the kids went to bed we talked, I again apologised for the mistakes that I have made in our marriage but he refused to listen, said that he'd been miserable for years and that he wanted to separate.

He said that he doesn't want to move out as the house is half his and he can't afford to pay half the mortgage and rent somewhere else. But he does want to separate. I know in my heart that we can turn things around and be happy but he doesn't want to listen.

I can't bear the thought of losing him and the thought of sharing custody of the children and breaking their hearts is too much to contemplate.

I don't know whether to force him to leave so that he will (hopefully) miss me and the kids (though obviously this would also give him more time to spend with the OW) or to try and keep hammering home the fact that we could be happy if only he would live me another chance.

He won't even let me cuddle him. I can't eat or sleep and I can't talk to m y friends about it because they all think I should have left him the first time he strayed.

I just want the opportunity too show him how much I love him but he won't let me.

OP posts:
Bossybritches22 · 11/09/2012 16:54

Good to know you are getting some plans for you in place.

Have you managed to book a solicitor appt?

McBuckers · 11/09/2012 20:28

Not yet. Want to hear his thoughts on being separated but still living together!

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AnyFucker · 11/09/2012 22:51

He will jump at it. Imagine it for him ! You put a wash on 'cos you are doing it anyway. He gets communal areas cleaned. He joins with your meals 'cos he's around....

And gets to dip his wick where likes

Unless you are thinking what is good for the goose ? ...

Bossybritches22 · 11/09/2012 22:54

Be interesting to see his take on it as opposed to AF's ! Grin

AnyFucker · 11/09/2012 22:58

It's a twat's dream innit

Domestic services from wifey who doesn't ask questions

Carte Blanche to chase as much skirt as he likes

brilliant !

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 11/09/2012 23:38

I hope you're going to ask him that because you've already got his replacement lined up and he will hear you two at it like rabbits finally forcing him to move out for his own sanity lol

Markingthehours · 12/09/2012 00:14

Get to a solicitor asap McB. All you would be doing is getting proper info pertinent to your circumstances. It doesn't mean you have to start separation or divorce. It just means you'll know where you stand in practical terms.

Information is power. YOu need that power to help back you up when you are being attacked, to help you protect your children.

Stop getting bogged down with emotions and get some facts. These are hard times.

Charbon · 12/09/2012 00:44

Well I'm glad you've started to assert yourself a bit more since I was last on your thread OP but living together but separated won't work and it's generally horrible for children, as well as the couple.

Find a way to live separately, however you achieve it.

And start divorce proceedings.

GeekLove · 12/09/2012 20:48

If you are going to tough this out in the short term get yourself some crates to put stuff like his laundry, dirty plates etc and ONLY do yours and DCs housework. If he leaves stuff out, sweep it into the crate. Assuming you have a garden leave it outside. Make it clear he is not part of your household.
Here's hoping he will leave soon or you get an occupancy order.

MoRaw · 12/09/2012 20:57

I know it is tough and your emotions are raw. I understand how desperate you are to hang on to your marriage. However, whilst your emotions are likely to be stronger than your head at the moment, please, please remember that this is not your fault. I felt so sad reading that he has somehow managed to make you feel that this is your fault.

Furthermore, this man has cheated twice (well twice that you know of). He is a cheat and will probably do it again especially as he has managed to turn this around and make himself look like the victim.

It is easy for me to sit here and tell you to kick him out. I know it won't be easy for you to reach to that point but here's hoping that you do get very indignant about this and show him the door.

Best of luck and I will be thinking about you and praying that it works out well for you whatever you choose to do.

swallowedAfly · 13/09/2012 08:08

how are you doing OP?

thinking of you.

McBuckers · 13/09/2012 12:50

I'm up and down and all over the place at the moment. We were supposed to discuss the separation last night. He came home and we talked like normal about the news, his job, music etc. Then eventually I said that we needed to discuss the separation. He then started getting really upset saying that he didn't know what he wanted, he still loves me but isn't in love with me and that he has strong feelings for someone else (he's been seeing her "sexually" for 3 weeks). I said he should get away from it all to consider what he wants and to not make a knee jerk decision.

I went to bed and when he came up we had sex every which way. Then he got all conflicted again.

So I texted the other woman from him on his phone saying that we'd slept together and calling off their relationship (not very dignified). A couple of hours later she phones and they have a right old barry. He then says that he's cooled it off with her and he needs space because he's so messed up. I honestly think he's on the verge of a breakdown.

He then complimented me on how I looked and asked for a cuddle. When the kids came in the room he asked for another cuddle and we held each other for ages.

Then he went to work - the OW works with him.

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Rowanhart · 13/09/2012 12:59

He really gets to hold all the cards with you, doesn't he?

Sorry you are going through this but shocked that you would allow him to degrade you like this.

swallowedAfly · 13/09/2012 13:14

Sad that's horrible to read. he has such power over you.

i'm currently being harassed by a married man. he got hold of my number and keeps texting really inappropriate stuff despite the fact all i ever respond is that he is married and to stop texting me, leave me alone etc. last night i was so sick of it i texted to him that he is a married man and his behaviour makes me sick and i could never, ever be with someone who behaved like that. to which i got a load of bull about how he just cohabits with his wife and they've had separate rooms for 7 years and he'd never behave like that either etc.

i actually had a bit of a crush on this guy (not that i showed it or would have ever done anything about it) but he is utterly repulsive to me now having seen this behaviour and how utterly selfish and immoral he is.

i do not understand how anyone can actually 'want' someone like this. must admit i struggle to see how you could want to have sex with him knowing he probably fucked her earlier that day.

he's had 2 affairs. he doesn't just accidentally get into them - he obviously seeks women out, charms them, tells them a load of bullshit about you and lies endlessly to you and them.

he is capable of doing all that - it's WHO HE IS. a decent human being would not be able to do it to you or them or himself.

McBuckers · 13/09/2012 13:36

I'm so confused. More than anything else I want to make go of our marriage. I can't bear the thought of our children growing up without daddy at home.

Our eldest daughter is a very sensitive child and I really worry what the effect of a break up would be on her.

She's had a melt down every morning this week at school apart from today. Today she was very clingy and then sat by herself looking so sad in the playground. Even a couplof the other mums asked me whether she was okay. It breaks my heart to see her like this. She was in the same room as her dad when he and the OW had their argument on the phone this morning. I have no idea what she heard or what sense she made of it.

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swallowedAfly · 13/09/2012 14:31

and you think that's better for her than having separated parents? believe me they understand plenty and they are sponges learning all the time.

the earliest one i remember was when i couldn't have been more than 5 or 6 - i remember the atmosphere, the rows, knowing what was happening, knowing my dad was betraying us and didn't care about us and being terrified of how out of control the grown ups were being. even at that age i can remember wishing and wishing my mum would get off of the floor and grow a back bone and be a strong person and move forward rather than the emotional fucking hell we were being put through to try and 'keep' this man.

sorry if this is hard to hear or too biased but those are my memories.

Charbon · 13/09/2012 14:32

It's your husband's fault that your daughter is so distressed, no-one else's.

Quite apart from everything else he's done, arguing with the OW in front of your child is unforgiveable, especially as she was already picking up on the chaos at home and was suffering.

All you're doing now is competing with another woman for a very flawed man's temporary affections. You're also trying to control his fidelity by warning off the OW.

What if you 'win' this time?

Is that such a great victory, for you and your children? Staying with a man who is repeatedly unfaithful, who says he isn't in love with you? Providing a terrible and chaotic role model of a relationship to your children?

Think very carefully about how much of this is really about your perceived need to give the children a secure home - and how much this is about your own fear of being independent from him and parenting separately. If there's any chance that you're putting your own needs before your children's right to a happier home and a good model of a relationship - start putting them first.

Your husband won't do that, because he's too selfish. So you're the only parent who can - and should.

swallowedAfly · 13/09/2012 14:33

please talk to her and translate for her and let her express her feelings and what it is she knows and has heard. don't make her pretend. it is really horrible having to pretend for the grown ups and knowing you're not allowed to talk about what you've seen and heard and it's yours to bear on you own. it is very, very lonely and really sets you apart from everyone - your parents, your peers, everyone.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 13/09/2012 14:37

So he was bastard enough to argue on the phone with her in front of his child

Wanker Angry
What a selfish prick. I know you want to give DC's a secure home, everyone does. But you are fighting a losing battle with this one.

Sling him, if they're arguing already, then that relationship is gonna disintegrate too last a long time Hmm

Oh babe :( and your poor DD :( you have my sympathy x

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 13/09/2012 14:41

And as the OW is obviously a fucking whore i would get STD checked

Bluegingham · 13/09/2012 15:22

OP what's the deal-breaker for you in this marriage? A 3-some with the other woman? What does your husband have to do that would make you split with him forever?

Rowanhart · 13/09/2012 15:42

Your job is to give your children a stable home indeed. And having this man in their home doesnt enable that.

Seriously. Enough is enough.

CremeEggThief · 13/09/2012 15:54

McB, I'm hoping against hope that last night was a moment of weakness for you.
While he is there, you can't work out what you really want. This man is not worthy of being with you or your children, full-time.

Please find a way of getting some distance between you, so you can work out what you want. Otherwise, you won't have any self-respect or self-esteem left, and it's going to make everything even worse for you.

Alurkatsoftplay · 13/09/2012 15:58

So sorry to read this - and you with such a tiny baby too :(

Please listen to charbon. Why are you competing with this woman for your husband. He is screwing you both over. Allowing this won't make him love you. Really, it won't work.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 13/09/2012 17:03

It is terrible i feel so sad for you OP you haven't been off my mind today

:(