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He wants to separate

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McBuckers · 09/09/2012 02:06

My DH and I have had a rough couple of years. We live far away from family and close friends and he has a job that involves working evenings and going away for a couple of nights a month.

We have three children - 6, 2 and 3 months. About 10 months ago he had a brief fling with someone he works with. I told him I wanted to end the relationship and he begged me not to. We carried o and went to counselling and things were fine for a while.

Our third child was born in April and things were good for a few weeks but then I started to feel that things were going wrong again and that there may be someone else. On Tuesday night I found a message in his phone. From him to a woman he works with saying that he loved her. It turned out that he had slept with her twice the previous week.

On Thursday night we had a long talk. I can see now that in many ways I have pushed him away for fear of getting hurt again and that he has gone to someone else for that love and affection.

That night we made love - he instigated it and then immediately afterwards he said he wanted a separation. I texted the OW and begged her to please leave him to think about the situation and about our family. Pathetic I know, but I was desperate.

He asked for some thinking time and he stayed away all last night to think about things. This morning her came back and said that if we were to have any sort of future we needed to be honest with each other. He was acting in a very kind and conciliatory way - saying to our baby "daddy's been very silly" and he took us out to lunch and we had a fun day with the kids. The only blot was that he was getting texts from this woman all day and each time he got one he became more distant.

When the kids went to bed we talked, I again apologised for the mistakes that I have made in our marriage but he refused to listen, said that he'd been miserable for years and that he wanted to separate.

He said that he doesn't want to move out as the house is half his and he can't afford to pay half the mortgage and rent somewhere else. But he does want to separate. I know in my heart that we can turn things around and be happy but he doesn't want to listen.

I can't bear the thought of losing him and the thought of sharing custody of the children and breaking their hearts is too much to contemplate.

I don't know whether to force him to leave so that he will (hopefully) miss me and the kids (though obviously this would also give him more time to spend with the OW) or to try and keep hammering home the fact that we could be happy if only he would live me another chance.

He won't even let me cuddle him. I can't eat or sleep and I can't talk to m y friends about it because they all think I should have left him the first time he strayed.

I just want the opportunity too show him how much I love him but he won't let me.

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CremeEggThief · 18/09/2012 12:20

:o @ McB!

CremeEggThief · 18/09/2012 12:23

Just sold STBX's camcorder that cost him about £800 9 years ago for a tenner at CashConverters. Ha!Ha!

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 12:24

YEEEEEE HAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

Go girl!Grin

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 12:25

Wow Cremeggthief! Good work!!!

Rustyspringfield · 18/09/2012 12:34

Grin good to see you've got some fight in ya!

Time for the itching powder in "hubby's" yfronts!

CremeEggThief · 18/09/2012 12:36

Cheers Blue :).

swallowedAfly · 18/09/2012 12:36

just to say how he's being isn't different to who he was when you married him - this IS him. you're just seeing him open eyed.

he sounds an utterly vile creature.

McBuckers · 18/09/2012 12:46

Yes he is pretty vile at the moment which is why I need him to leave.

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Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 12:56

I honestly don't think you've seen the worst of him yet, and that's what scares me about your situation. He sounds utterly ruthless and able to twist things so he believes them himself and makes his behaviour feel acceptable. "I've done nothing wrong except fall in love." That, is terrifying because it's SO deluded, so disconnected from the pain and damage he's causing you and his children.
I'm frightened for you and really want you to protect yourself in every way possible, even if it means upping the stakes.

McBuckers · 18/09/2012 13:07

Bluegingham - he completely denies saying this now.

Over the last 3 weeks he's flitted between saying "I'm a mess I need help" to saying that he's in love with this other woman and is starting a new life with her.

He says he doesn't want to leave the kids with a nut-job like me and that he wants 50/50 access. But he only sees them for an hour in the morning before he goes to work (whilst he's also getting ready for work) and he's never back in time to put them to bed in the evening so I have no idea how equal access would work!

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olgaga · 18/09/2012 13:08

I think you should ring his parents again and emphasise how dreadful his behaviour is and how awful and upsetting his continued presence there is for you and the children.

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 13:28

MrsB, everything you've just said confirms my fear for you.

swallowedAfly · 18/09/2012 13:40

i reckon he's just trying to scare you with the 50/50 business and in any case no court in the land would award it to him given his complete lack of involvement with the children so don't let it worry you. not to mention i doubt he'd actually be unselfish enough to be a co-parent.

at the minute he's probably desperate to regain control of you - no going back to giving you a quick seeing to to soften you up so more likely to go for scaring you into submission instead.

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 13:42

"at the minute he's probably desperate to regain control of you - no going back to giving you a quick seeing to to soften you up so more likely to go for scaring you into submission instead."

This.

swallowedAfly · 18/09/2012 13:45

part of protecting yourself i think is to keep telling everyone what he does and has done.

if you are keeping secrets for him you are more of a target for abuse i think because he'd know he could get away with it. if you are loud about his actions to all and sundry he will know he can't get away with it and anything he does will be public knowledge.

alienreflux · 18/09/2012 14:10

go McB!!!! really proud of that! you are definitely getting stronger, the twat basically can't move in with OW yet, he wants to. So you have have have to get him out of that house. Let him sort out his housing situation, he screwed his whole family over for that woman, he can sort the fucking practicalities out.
Really pleased to hear you're getting some advice. time to move forward. can't believe he talks in front of your mam that way, what a total dick. She has probably known him for what he is for years, so it may be water off a ducks back.
anyway, just so glad you are finally kicking back! keep it up love, we are with you!!

AnyFucker · 18/09/2012 14:27

thank God you are finding your balls, McB

I was beginning to think they had disappeared completely

ignore threats of 50/50, it won't be awarded because any examination of how much contact he had with them before all this crap will be taken into account

the best he could hope for is every other weekend ( if he has somewhere suitable for them to go) and one early midweek trip to Maccy D's (helloooo McDonald's daddy!)

I can't remember how old your dc's are...the weekend (overnight) thing may not be appropriate at all depending on their age, and you could certainly argue for a significant amount of time that it isn't in dc's best interests to be introduced to daddy's gf so soon, bearing in mind what they have already endured at his hands

keep pushing to get him out (whether OW wants him there or not < tee hee > ) and keep telling everyone what a shit he is being

shine the spotlight on him, keep no secrets for him, he deserves nothing less than public condemnation for the way he has treated you

EvenBetter · 18/09/2012 14:30

Well done McB!
I'm so glad you're no longer blaming yourself or feeling the way you were in your OP. Anger is an emotion that enables you to get things done and will make sure you don't take any crap.
How DARE he shout?! I agree with BlueG, next time he raises his voice the police should be called. He is disgusting and you're so much above his shit.

Fairyjen · 18/09/2012 14:41

Wow!! Love it! Fuck dignity indeed almost wish I lived next door cause I would soon have him out the house! How is oldest dd feeling now? Did she hear awful way he spoke to her gran? He really is an arse! Is he really handsome? ( tryin to work out the attraction to be honest )

AnyFucker · 18/09/2012 14:42

the way he is addressing your mum is unforgiveable (along with all the other unforgiveable shit he has done)

Fairyjen · 18/09/2012 14:56

Can I ask, did you get any response from his boss? They work together etc I'm shocked it's allowed really given the circumstances.

Inertia · 18/09/2012 15:02

You will never get any kind of reasonable or rational dialogue going with this man- about the house, the children, or anything.

He hates that your mum is there because it means there's a witness observing just how shittily he is treating you, and he cannot exert the level of control he wants to.

I don't know whether you have had legal advice yet, and I know I sound like a stuck record, but you have to get pro-active on this. You cannot reason out an amicable split with a man like this - he is just ramping up the threats .

OneMoreChap · 18/09/2012 16:39

Good god - what a complete twat the man is. Sorry to hear that.
Keep getting the family round, and I hope you get rid of him pronto

[In passing, hard Hmm at AnyFucker & one early midweek trip to Maccy D's (helloooo McDonald's daddy!) - lot of men who don't deserve it get that shit]

AnyFucker · 18/09/2012 16:41

hard Hmm right back atcha, OMC

I didn't say all men deserve it. I said this one does, as a natural consequence of his actions.

McBuckers · 18/09/2012 16:45

No - dd didn't see how he spoke to my mum. She's been acting up for a while now. Rude and aggressive one minute, tearful the next, it's heartbreaking to see. I'm doing what I can to reassure her, but she knows something is going on and we need to sit down with her soon and explain the situation in gentle terms.

He is off his trolley. A few minutes after the discussion about him being in love with someone else and how sleeping with me made him feel sick and it's the only mistake he's made, he actually asked whether I'd like to watch Saturday's Dr Who with him this evening!!!!

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