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He wants to separate

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McBuckers · 09/09/2012 02:06

My DH and I have had a rough couple of years. We live far away from family and close friends and he has a job that involves working evenings and going away for a couple of nights a month.

We have three children - 6, 2 and 3 months. About 10 months ago he had a brief fling with someone he works with. I told him I wanted to end the relationship and he begged me not to. We carried o and went to counselling and things were fine for a while.

Our third child was born in April and things were good for a few weeks but then I started to feel that things were going wrong again and that there may be someone else. On Tuesday night I found a message in his phone. From him to a woman he works with saying that he loved her. It turned out that he had slept with her twice the previous week.

On Thursday night we had a long talk. I can see now that in many ways I have pushed him away for fear of getting hurt again and that he has gone to someone else for that love and affection.

That night we made love - he instigated it and then immediately afterwards he said he wanted a separation. I texted the OW and begged her to please leave him to think about the situation and about our family. Pathetic I know, but I was desperate.

He asked for some thinking time and he stayed away all last night to think about things. This morning her came back and said that if we were to have any sort of future we needed to be honest with each other. He was acting in a very kind and conciliatory way - saying to our baby "daddy's been very silly" and he took us out to lunch and we had a fun day with the kids. The only blot was that he was getting texts from this woman all day and each time he got one he became more distant.

When the kids went to bed we talked, I again apologised for the mistakes that I have made in our marriage but he refused to listen, said that he'd been miserable for years and that he wanted to separate.

He said that he doesn't want to move out as the house is half his and he can't afford to pay half the mortgage and rent somewhere else. But he does want to separate. I know in my heart that we can turn things around and be happy but he doesn't want to listen.

I can't bear the thought of losing him and the thought of sharing custody of the children and breaking their hearts is too much to contemplate.

I don't know whether to force him to leave so that he will (hopefully) miss me and the kids (though obviously this would also give him more time to spend with the OW) or to try and keep hammering home the fact that we could be happy if only he would live me another chance.

He won't even let me cuddle him. I can't eat or sleep and I can't talk to m y friends about it because they all think I should have left him the first time he strayed.

I just want the opportunity too show him how much I love him but he won't let me.

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Fairyjen · 16/09/2012 17:25

I agree that's harsh! You could've cook him nothing!

CremeEggThief · 16/09/2012 17:50

Honestly, these cheating fucking bastards should be grateful they haven't had their eyes scratched out! Angry

Bluegingham · 16/09/2012 18:18

OP, does he have a sister? If he does, ask him how he would feel if she was treated like this.

Fairyjen · 16/09/2012 18:51

More to the point ask him how he would feel if it was your dd's husband doing this to her in years to come!

AnyFucker · 16/09/2012 20:09

I cannot believe how passive you are, OP

Are you frightened of violence ? That is the only reason that would justify such weak acceptance of the terms he is attempting to dictate

I said it upthread, and I'll say it again because I am struggling to type much of anything else that doesn't include something likely to knock you when you are already down

start divorce proceedings

follow them through

your marriage is over

are you listening to any advice on your thread, at all ?

do you still think he will change his mind and come back to you ?

I hope, for your sake (but mostly for your kids, who you are damaging by your inaction, and poor role-modelling), he doesn't

I won't go into detail about how he is damaging your kids, because he's been doing it for some time, and you keep rolling over and taking it when the time is way past when you should be thinking very carefully about how many chances you have already given him to fuck you all over

Markingthehours · 16/09/2012 23:44

GET TO A SOLICITOR McB.

I agree with another poster - he is going to start playing really nasty soon. He will clear all monies, be even more of a complete tosser to you, and start involving OW with the DCS.

YOu need legal advice.

olgaga · 17/09/2012 00:24

Oh McB, don't let it grind you down, you put your children first, that's obvious to everyone but that awful man.

Keep on keeping on - PM me if you like if there is anything in the links you'd like a view on.

swallowedAfly · 17/09/2012 10:48

god he is horrible isn't he?

so glad your mum has arrived. keep firm and do nothing for him. make clear in your actions that it is over and he is not welcome and you're not going to budge. presumably with the pressure mounting the OW will be being treated to exhibitions of his foul temper too.

this man is hideous.

Bossybritches22 · 17/09/2012 13:53

McB What has your Mum said about it all?

alienreflux · 17/09/2012 15:23

hey mcb, how's it going? glad you have had your hair done! (really hoping that's for you and not him by the way) how is your mam handling this? have you got any further with solicitors? sorry 4 all the q's, hope you're ok

swallowedAfly · 18/09/2012 07:43

also hoping you're ok and wondering how things are going.

stay strong. keep seeing him for what he really is rather than what you wish he could be.

McBuckers · 18/09/2012 10:14

Trying to hold it together for the kids at the moment but it's getting harder by the day. He's still living here and we're being pretty nasty to each other when the kids aren't around.

He's still refusing to move out completely. One minute he says that he's not having a relationship with her but she's offered to put him up in her spare room 2 nights a week, the next minute he says that he's in love with her but he can't move in because she lives in a shared flat.

Am getting some professional advice as to where I stand tomorrow and Thursday.

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Charbon · 18/09/2012 10:28

Have you recruited his family to try to persuade him to move out?

Have you started the process of telling everyone what's been going on?

What do you mean by professional advice? Are you seeing a solicitor?

And crucially, have you realised yourself that this is over and there's no going back?

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 10:30

Glad to hear from you!

What did your mum say? Could you stay with her for a bit, with the children?

I wonder is it unravelling with the OW?

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 10:30

Where does he sleep?

olgaga · 18/09/2012 10:56

Sending you good wishes McB and hoping you get the encouragement you need from the advice appointments you've made.

Hope your mum can stay until things are sorted.

McBuckers · 18/09/2012 11:02

My mum thinks he's behaved like a twunt and wants to kill him but she's managed to stay polite. Him on the other hand shouts in front of her "what's she doing here just hanging around like a spectre at a feast".

He changes by the minute one minute angry the next being nice.

His parents are lovely and appreciate that it can't go on like this for long, so I think they will be speaking to him about it.

Unfortunately I don't think it is unravelling with the OW. I think he just can't move in there because she has flat mates and they probably wouldn't want an extra person in the house on a full time basis. I think his plan is to live here until they can get a place together where they can have the kids over for a couple of days a week.

He's sleeping in the playroom downstairs but this morning whe I went in the kitchen he wasn't ready to get up so actually tried to go back to bed in our bed - obviously I shoved him out.

I don't think there is any going back. He's not the lovely person I married or fell in love with anymore. He's selfish, arrogant, unfeeling and controlling. She's welcome to him. But not my children.

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Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 11:07

I'm PLEASED it's not unravelling with OW! That's a world of complication if she sees him for the twat he is.

And there is absolutely no going back, lovely.

I'm hoping your solicitor can give you some guidance about access and to what extent he's allowed to introduce OW to the children. What scum. You're SO well rid of him.

Charbon · 18/09/2012 11:14

I think before this goes on much longer, you're going to need to speak to your oldest DD McB and tell her something about what's going on. Tell her school too, especially as she's been tearful. The school always needs to know if there are difficulties at home so that they can support her. She's not stupid. She will be joining the dots between the conversation she overheard, the terrible atmosphere and the fact that Dad's sleeping downstairs, when he deigns to even come home, that is.....

Who've you told and what have you said? And who've you made appointments with?

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 11:18

I agree. Also what does your mum think? And what did she do when he shouted? The cheeky bastard, how disrespectful.

Fairyjen · 18/09/2012 11:26

Have you considered very calmly speaking to the OW about her living arrangements? You may well get the truth of their relationship status... I must say your handling this far better than me. I would've kicked his head in by now and then gone straight round ow's house to do same to her!!! Not very dignified I know!

CremeEggThief · 18/09/2012 11:30

Best of luck with your appointments, McB. Good for you!

Honestly, I am left openmouthed in amazement at the absolute cheek of that wanker!

Bluegingham · 18/09/2012 11:32

Fairyjen I think dignity is overrated. I couldn't control myself round a man behaving like this. Screaming fishwife/banshee x1000. And the OW? I''d bray her 'ed in, with a big bag of his finest possessions. She wants to shag him? Then she can have him. Every last sock.

And if that twat so much as looked at me in a manner that displeased me, I'd be on to the police explaining his reign of intimidating behaviour, and get him subject to an injunction.

Fuck dignity, frankly. Smile

CremeEggThief · 18/09/2012 11:43

Blue, I think you have a point there. I've gone down the dignified/indifferent/you-may-as-well-not-exist route, but I've probably lost my chance to rant, rave, spew hatred and vitriol and scratch their eyes out now. And that hurts. :(

McBuckers · 18/09/2012 12:12

Screw dignity. I emailed their little love email thread to their boss, his parents, his sister, I emailed the OW and the previous OW together and suggested they formed a club called X's (husband's name) Sexually Generous Ladies club.

I texted her every time we slept together and texted her from his phone to tell her it was over.

Dignified? Nah...

Did it make me feel better? Oh yes!

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