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He wants to separate

586 replies

McBuckers · 09/09/2012 02:06

My DH and I have had a rough couple of years. We live far away from family and close friends and he has a job that involves working evenings and going away for a couple of nights a month.

We have three children - 6, 2 and 3 months. About 10 months ago he had a brief fling with someone he works with. I told him I wanted to end the relationship and he begged me not to. We carried o and went to counselling and things were fine for a while.

Our third child was born in April and things were good for a few weeks but then I started to feel that things were going wrong again and that there may be someone else. On Tuesday night I found a message in his phone. From him to a woman he works with saying that he loved her. It turned out that he had slept with her twice the previous week.

On Thursday night we had a long talk. I can see now that in many ways I have pushed him away for fear of getting hurt again and that he has gone to someone else for that love and affection.

That night we made love - he instigated it and then immediately afterwards he said he wanted a separation. I texted the OW and begged her to please leave him to think about the situation and about our family. Pathetic I know, but I was desperate.

He asked for some thinking time and he stayed away all last night to think about things. This morning her came back and said that if we were to have any sort of future we needed to be honest with each other. He was acting in a very kind and conciliatory way - saying to our baby "daddy's been very silly" and he took us out to lunch and we had a fun day with the kids. The only blot was that he was getting texts from this woman all day and each time he got one he became more distant.

When the kids went to bed we talked, I again apologised for the mistakes that I have made in our marriage but he refused to listen, said that he'd been miserable for years and that he wanted to separate.

He said that he doesn't want to move out as the house is half his and he can't afford to pay half the mortgage and rent somewhere else. But he does want to separate. I know in my heart that we can turn things around and be happy but he doesn't want to listen.

I can't bear the thought of losing him and the thought of sharing custody of the children and breaking their hearts is too much to contemplate.

I don't know whether to force him to leave so that he will (hopefully) miss me and the kids (though obviously this would also give him more time to spend with the OW) or to try and keep hammering home the fact that we could be happy if only he would live me another chance.

He won't even let me cuddle him. I can't eat or sleep and I can't talk to m y friends about it because they all think I should have left him the first time he strayed.

I just want the opportunity too show him how much I love him but he won't let me.

OP posts:
Fairyjen · 15/09/2012 19:44

Listen it will be ok. Just make sure your a constant in their lives regardless of your H. Stay strong and know that you are in the right. Whatever your dc ask, be honest!

CremeEggThief · 15/09/2012 19:46

I don't wish to sound harsh, but he certainly doesn't come across as loving them as much as you or as doing anywhere much as you do for them, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope of him being very 'hands on', once you get him out. He is a very selfish person, who seems unwilling to put the needs of his children first.

Markingthehours · 15/09/2012 21:18

What should you say to the 2 year old? Nothing.

At 2 I'd be surprised if she even asks much about her absent father given he's not there much in body nevermind spirit. If she does ask just say he's at work for the present - actually same for 6 year old - until you've got contact arrangements in place.

Your girls will be fine if they've got a strong happy mum. And you will be once you settle into a proper arrangement and routine. Until you've got some legal advice you are a bit in limbo. But once you know where you stand you can start to formulate a plan for the future.

I'm so sorry your H is oblivious to the emotional pain he's caused not to mention his despicable, thoughtless and cheap way of going about this - not in any book I know of. That makes it doubly hard for you. But you need to forget all about what he thinks and his perspective. He is no longer part of your priorities. Now you need to think about you and DDs. What do you need to get through this? What do you want for you and DDs?

Work out your best and worst case scenarios. Then discuss thenm with the solicitor.

You will be ok McB. YOu will get thro this and will look back and wonder why you put up with that low life, weak, piece of shit for so long. I am absolutely sure of that.

Bluegingham · 15/09/2012 22:24

He still sees that he's done nothing wrong, he says "I've done nothing wrong all I've done is fall in love" and "I've done this by the book"

That has flabbergasted me. And the reminder that your youngest is 12 weeks old. What a terrible, terrible man you're currently married to. I feel so sad for you. And let me tell you absolutely that this is ALL HIS FAULT. What a disgrace he is.

Have you spelled out to his parents that he's sleeping with someone else but won't leave?

This will honestly honestly honestly get better. And you absolutely will be fine. Be strong! X

McBuckers · 16/09/2012 09:02

Well the twunt eventually came home at 2am.

Apparently he's now made arrangements to live with her for 2 days a week not sure when this farce will start.

My mum is coming to stay for a few days which should be fun as they can't stand each other.

I am going to do anything I can to make him uncomfortable.

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auberginesarenottheonlyfruit · 16/09/2012 09:13

"Apparently he's now made arrangements to live with her for 2 days a week" Shock Shock

How, on God's earth, can he possibly think this is an acceptable way forward? Why are you going along with it? What would he say or do if you just simply said "No! Either you live here full-time and participate in normal family life, or you go completely."
You said that he "won't" leave, but yet he thinks he can leave some of the time? He's mad!
And as for "All I've done is to fall in love." That's almost funny.

CakeBump · 16/09/2012 09:13

Oh God McB, just kick him out!! What are you gaining from this?

swallowedAfly · 16/09/2012 09:21

omg so you're expected to live with a man who spends two nights a week with his mistress? he is fucking unbelievable.

Rowanhart · 16/09/2012 09:21

You need to act pronto. This is getting ridiculous.

Get legal advice in Monday. Ring his mum and dad and tell them.

Now making life difficult plans:

Could you move DM or various relatives in the same two days a week?

Make sure you've put locks on a couple of food cupboards and move everything to them. Only make meals for you and kids.

Put up a cleaning rota.

Is there a spare room? Put lock on your bedroom and move his stuff out. If not (even better) then put an air bed in garage.

Every time he puts dirty washing in basketbetc take it out and dump on his bed.

Keep repeating to him. We're just flat mates now, and ones who don't want to live together at that. Go and live with OW. We don't want you here.

McBuckers · 16/09/2012 09:21

Aubergines - he is deluded. He said I'd been a cunt to him for 6 years when actually all I've done is try to be a good wife.

He really is the model of a selfish arrogant twunt. The sooner he is out of all our lives the better.

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Rowanhart · 16/09/2012 09:23

Start divorce proceedings!

Rowanhart · 16/09/2012 09:24

I mean mice relatives in every time he his home to be as awful to him as possible.

Or even have a different MNetter to stay! Ha!

Rowanhart · 16/09/2012 09:24

Move. Aargh....

swallowedAfly · 16/09/2012 09:35

god yes - i'll do a day a week!

Inertia · 16/09/2012 09:36

While your mum is there and can help with childcare, please please please see as many solicitors as you can that offer a free initial consultation. You need legal advice about where you stand here, because your husband is completely taking the piss. You need to establish exactly what you are entitled to . He's treating you like an unpaid housekeeper and using you for sex ( presumably ow wasn't available that night ? )

McB, you don't have to let him dictate terms to you. You can take charge of your life.

And he sounds so uninvolved with the children, I bet they'll hardly notice he's gone, and they'll care even less.

CremeEggThief · 16/09/2012 09:41

Oh McB :(. I am honestly thinking he is the most selfish, horrible excuse for a man ever!

If my STBXH had dared to speak to me like that (although I suspect he secretly thinks all he did was fall in love too), lets just say all those stabbing fantasies I had in the first couple of weeks of finding out would have turned into reality.

Bossybritches22 · 16/09/2012 09:42

Right he is taking the piss Big Time.

She can either have him living with her or not- HIS problem. As long as he is OUT, this is not good for your mental health OR that of the kids & whilst I agree in principle with Rowanheart about making it clear you are flatmates only what message does that send to the kids?

Everytime he accuses you of anything ignore & state "it's best for the children" -tell him you are not prepared to acccept this part time deal.

Then first time he is out if the place for his 2 nights change the locks, keep a spare key ready to hand to his solicitor if/when the need arises.

I can't remember what/if you said before do you jointly own/rent the house?

alienreflux · 16/09/2012 09:47

oh love, he's a total arsehole isn't he?! 2days a week at hers and the rest at yours??!! what actual planet is he living on? i really really hope you are not going to let that happen, it will be soul destroying for you, and the kids won't know if they are coming or going. excellent news your mum is coming, hopefully she will say what you can't seem to "fuck off you twat, you will be hearing from my solicitor" good luck and stay strong, we are all here for you

Flojo1979 · 16/09/2012 09:51

My DCs were 2 & 6 when exP left. I told my 6 yo what was going on but I just kept telling my 2 yo he was at work and eventually she stopped asking.

He is taking the piss but I guess there's not a lot u can do until u can sell the house, just make things uncomfortable for him, if he can stop with OW for 2 nights a wk then I don't see why he can't permanently, i'm guessing he's been advised to stay in the house to keep his rights over it.

CremeEggThief · 16/09/2012 09:51

What he has done and is doing is emotional abuse, OP, so it may be worth approaching W.A. to discuss strategies to make you feel stronger when you have to deal with him.

Thanks
McBuckers · 16/09/2012 09:58

We own the house jointly with a mortgage.

He's a bit of a bully and quick to anger, and if I say "no" there's nothing to stop him just not coming home for those two nights. He appears to have all the trump cards at the moment.

I would love to just bugger off for a weekend and leave him with all three kids but that wouldn't be fair on them.

The dilemma I have is that there are lots of things I'd like to do to make him go but they all impact negatively on the kids.

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Doha · 16/09/2012 10:02

Down tools.

Firstly stop doing ANYTHING for him, cooking washing etc. He has "fallen in love" well lets see how long it lasts when he is either dressed like a hobo smelling to high heaven or he gets her to wash his dirty underwear--ugh

Get all benefits tax credit child benefit paid into your accoubt id not already, take a copy of all documents, savings etc.

Get your 1/2 hour free advice from a lawyer anda start the ball rolling to get him out

auberginesarenottheonlyfruit · 16/09/2012 10:06

There are hundreds of cases on MN alone where people have booted husbands out where they jointly own the house. Doesn't have to make any difference.

And if he accuses you of having been a c*, the only answer to that is that it takes one to know one. He's holding all the aces because he's got you scared of him - quick to anger?

Bossybritches22 · 16/09/2012 10:07

Yes make sure you have copies of as much paperwork as possible to prove his income.

Come on McB get proactive we're behind you don't let this bugger grind you down.

Bluegingham · 16/09/2012 10:09

What's starting to scare me is his self-justification, and projecting blame onto you. That means he'll try and justify more and more awful behaviour.

Eg: Bringing the woman to your house. "She's only here to pick me up" etc

Letting the children meet this woman

Clearing your bank accounts, selling your assets, taking a loan/mortgage against the house etc

Taking one or more of the children with him to OWs

Telling lies to your children about you etc etc

You post the latest outrageous things he's done and said. What do YOU say and do? I'm worried that you still want him to "come to his senses" and make everything ok again. Is that what's happening? I'm hoping against hope that you're getting angry with him but at the moment I hate to say it but you sound awfully passive.
And sorry to contradict Rowanheart but I wouldn't go down the route of rotas, and making him uncomfortable. He has to go.

What about if you said "if you have any regard for me and the kids you'll leave. And then we can sort something formally." What have you said, and what do his parents say? I'd ring his boss too. Fuck him.

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