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What Now?! Long...sorry!

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goosebumples · 06/09/2012 12:58

DP & I been together 4 ½ Years, have a DD (10m) and I have DS (13) from previous relationship.
Don't really know where to start; I don't really know how I ended up like this. When we first got together we were a very passionate couple, I had never met anyone I was that compatible with on so many levels. The sex was good, we got on brilliantly both happy etc.

There were some issues in the first few weeks as I suspected he was still lingering around his ex before we became serious (coming up with the most ridiculous stories to hide it). I got pregnant in the 1st month or so and after talking it through, although it helped us make the decision to have a serious relationship, we decided to terminate. Except he left me to deal with it by myself, and later threw it in my face and said he thought I had lied and never really had the termination! The fact I was bed ridden for a few days with some awful problems afterwards conveniently forgotten...

I think this left me insecure as I became really quite irrational, drinking a bit too much, starting arguments over nothing and getting angry and jealous where I hadn't been before. I was also quite destructive and my go-to stress relief during a row was to throw/break things! mostly his stuff but mine too. I was violent and aggressive. Things came to a head and got really bad and I realised I was going to lose him and potentially the best relationship I'd ever had. So I bucked up my ideas and stopped behaving like that, I knew it wasn't fair or right and I was destroying things. I'm not perfect; I still get mad and argue like everyone else but I have stopped that aggressive unreasonable stuff from before - this was about 3 years ago!

Then we went through a phase of him going totally off sex, all the affection died and it was breaking my heart that we seemed to be living separate lives. It may have been caused by me to start with, but after I changed and went back to 'normal' he became worse iyswim? So things were difficult but we got past it and were rubbing along ok, not the loved up couple we were but still in love and wanted to make it work. I always knew he drank more than what I thought was 'normal' (must find a better word than that!) but it didn't cause a massive problem so I just tried to discourage it.

When I became pregnant with DD he gradually started to change and now my life is unbearable, I can't see a way back to happiness from this misery and TBH don't even know if I want to anymore. His drinking and behaviour is appalling, most of the time he doesn't care as he doesn't remember what he has done or has convinced himself that I must have done something to make him that way. He is just mental, in the same sentence he has asked if I want a cuppa and when I said no thanks called me a bitch, slapper, whore etc! WTAF??!! At 5 months pregnant, it was my 30th and he had me round the throat screaming he wished he'd kicked the baby out when he had the chance. He has spat on me, called me a fat cow (the day after I gave birth), says disgusting insulting things about being intimate with me, tells me I smell etc! He has headbutted me and slapped me once or twice. He is just vile when he wants and really knows how to hurt me, emotionally and physically.

At the start I was violent towards him (threw stuff at him, slapped and kicked) when I was being insecure after the termination so I don't really feel justified in complaining about these things. I was wrong and I stopped behaving like that, not an excuse but just want him to stop now too. And I think it's fair that his level is escalating beyond where mine ever went.

He is already using our daughter as a weapon, tells her I am a shit mummy, I don't look after her properly etc. This from a man who spilled a pint of cider on her at 6 months when pissed and tried to pretend he hadn't! When I made him admit it I got the bollocking for 'just going out of my way to start an argument'! He has done other stupid man-mistakes where DD is concerned which I have never held against him as he is learning but he tells my baby girl I am an evil useless bitch Sad He never plays with her, avoids looking after her and is very tit-for-tat (i.e. left her in a dirty nappy when I was in the bath because he changed the last one) Despite how much I HATE him some days I have never done/said anything like that about him to her and wouldn't.

He has also come to resent my DS who now avoids home as much as he can and stays with his dad instead. DP has verbally abused DS months ago and was showing signs of aggression towards him, TBH, I went mental and said if he ever did it again we would be over. He realised he had crossed the line and that stopped, then he did it again last night! DP was calling me names, trying to stir up a row and when DS said that's not very nice, leave my mum alone DP started yelling 'fuck off and mind your own business you little shit' etc. I honestly don't know how I kept my temper in check. He is always arguing with DS and I have seen him try to find things to tell him off for. He bullies him - he is 35 FFs I know teenagers are difficult but he is worse!

I feel like it's over and don't really know what to do. I have told him things are over before, he just says I'm not going anywhere, I love you we're just having a hard time etc. I have said this is more than that, he is destroying our family and it is his turn to change or lose everything but nothing works, he just goes back to being the same nasty bastard night after night. He sleeps on the sofa and as soon as the kids are in bed I avoid him, go to bed myself anywhere as long as it is in a different room to him.

To make matters worse (expects massive flaming) an ex has been in touch, one I never really got over. He is telling me things like I am beautiful, sexy, he would give anything for us to be together etc. It is v flattering and the only thing I have smiled about in months but upsets me too because my DP obviously doesn't think these things about me anymore, and I really didn't think anyone ever would. I am due to attend a reunion in a few months and I am worried that with all the emotional fuckwittery from DP and after a few drinks I will end up doing something stupid and have a drunken grope with the ex that will be there. I am already thinking like that which is bad enough. I just crave someone who is nice to me. The recent thing with the ExP is something and nothing really, it has just opened my eyes that maybe not everything DP thinks about me is true.

Sorry for the LONG rant I just don't know what to do. I think I want this to be over but deep down I know we made each other happy once and I just wish there was a way back to that ? is there?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/09/2012 13:04

You may have made each other happy once but that was a long time ago and there's been a lot of water under the bridge since. You don't experience years of problems as serious as you describe above and emerge the same people you were before it all started

I think you have to accept that whatever you had in the first few months was a rose-tinted honeymoon period and that the subsequent crap is the reality for the foreseeable future. You don't make each other happy, quite the reverse.

goosebumples · 06/09/2012 13:06

I accept that - no relationship stays rosy forever. I love him and I want to work this out but I don't know how.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/09/2012 13:10

Your definition of love is rather different than mine I'm afraid. He tells your daughter that you're a shit mummy? Resents your DS? Lashes out with verbal abuse? Drives you to drink? FFS... if that's someone who loves you, what do your enemies look like?

You cannot salvage a relationship single-handed it's a two-person job. This relationship was over when you terminated the baby and he said you'd lied about it .... it's not worth saving.

Proudnscary · 06/09/2012 13:13

Umm I don't really know how to say this strongly enough: get out of this abusive relationship asap.

Apart from all the other crap, he's been extremely abusive and violent towards you. You have to leave.

But please for the love of God don't carry on with this ex.

Concentrate on getting out, if not for yourself, then for your children who deserve a safe, happy childhood. Focus on them, not on another man to make you feel better about yourself.

Don't go to the reunion - be strong. You have a choice here - don't justify starting something up with this guy because your partner is a fuckwit.

Proudnscary · 06/09/2012 13:14

You love him? I think you need to grow up - this rollercoaster of abuse and drama is not love. You have children to think of who deserve more.

goosebumples · 06/09/2012 13:15

I just feela bit lost - don't really know what to do next. When I have asked him to leave he just refuses, or talks me round. I know I am pathetic

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goosebumples · 06/09/2012 13:19

I went through a stage of being so evil and horrible and he put up with me, he was v supportive at the time and coped with a lot of shit I put him through, I changed why can't he? It hasn't always been like this and only bad since just before DD arrived

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/09/2012 13:29

Two wrongs don't make a right. You've behaved badly, he's behaved badly - doesn't make it acceptable for him to be violent, abuse your kids and abuse you. Together you are not good for each other and 'bad since just before DD arrived' is what, over 3 years ago? That's 75% of the time you've been together, not some temporary hiccup.

Your trouble is that you don't seem to think you deserve better. A flirty ex lining you up for a bit of legover at a reunion isn't a great swap. Find a way to get yourself and your kids away from your partner so that you can think clearly and they can stop being damaged.

izzyizin · 06/09/2012 13:34

You 'made each other happy once'? At what precise minute would that be in your tale of a 'relationship' which sounds more war than peace?

The damage that's already been inflicted on your ds due to your lack of self-respect and self-control doesn't bear thinking about and now you have a dd who will also be adversely affected by your lifestyle choice if you don't pull your finger out and get help for your drinking and anger management problems.

As for the other villain of the piece, it's clear he has no will to change and you're best advised to contact Women's Aid www.womensaid.org.uk with a view to either getting him out of the property you're currently living in or seeking accomodation in a refuge where you will get the help you need to bring about the positive changes that will benefit your dc as well as yourself.

caramel1 · 06/09/2012 13:35

I left my last husband because he was nasty to my DS from a previous relationship. It was all subtle and the only time I knew something was wrong, was when my son came into the kitchen and curld up in the corner with his hands over his head. He was terrified his SD 'might' hit him.

The icing on the cake for me, was when XOH hit our 2 year old for playing with flour, outside in the garden, while he was asleep on the sofa ( I was out doing some shopping), this left my son with a red hand mark on his leg.

I had put up with a lot of mental abuse from him myself, until we moved and I stood up to him, unfortunately he upped the anti on my older son.

It wasn't until 3 years later that I found out exactly how much he scared my son, now I know why, at the the age of 11 he was still regularly wetting the bed.

It depends what you want, do you want your DS to hate you for not protecting him. Do you want to lose contact with him if he decides to permanently move in with his Dad?

Although I got out when I did, it caused me to be clinically depressed and my son is now living with his grandparents because he couldn't cope with the craziness at home (it took 2 years).

Looking back I wish I'd never married the crazy bastard, the signs were there 2 years before.

One thing I do not regret is having DS2, he tauht me how to love and is the light of my life.

caramel1 · 06/09/2012 13:36

taught

My 'g' seems to have some lunch under it

goosebumples · 06/09/2012 13:41

Thanks CogitoErgoSometimes

DD is 10m so just over a year it's been bad but not the point really is it? DS dad was a bit of an emotional bully and it took me years to get over him. I then had a wonderful single happy life with DS and swore off relationships (not men, I'm not a bloody nun!) and was quite happy. I met DP and we were both so smitten it made me think actually, what if there is someone I can be happy with, can have an actual relationship and share my life with - I really thought this was it.

Nail on the head, I don't think I do deserve any better. I haven't got the strength to fight with him anymore. I don't want anyone else (the exp thing was just a wake up call that not all men/people think i'm shit). If I could picture my future it would be with DP, problems resolved and just being a normal family, or single. That's it. I cannot take anymore.

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QuintessentialShadows · 06/09/2012 13:44

Nothing in your story bears witness of a happy or good relationship. The sex may have been good at some point. But you have been arguing and rowing all along, you were violent (in frustration) breaking things. Now he assaults you with slaps, strangulation and headbutting, and he is trying to alienate your baby from you, and your 13 year old son, who seems to be driven out of his home.

Dont go mixing an ex into this mess.

Just end this relationship. Call Womans Aid for advice.

goosebumples · 06/09/2012 13:46

izzyizin - I have not drunk or been violent for over three years. My DD wasn't born and I never drank around my DS, only when he was at his Dads so he never knew. Thanks for your support though judgy perfect so and so

Thank you caramel - I think its easier to see things for what they are when you're out of it. I'm obviously making my way there just need to find the courage

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/09/2012 13:47

When you lack the strength to fight, get reinforcements. That means friends, family, legal, Womens Aid, whatever it takes. A few phone-calls and some real life support from the right people could be all you need to go from the horrible situation you're living in to a pleasant life, just you and your children, back being wonderful, single and happy. Remind yourself how that felt and that you do deserve better. Good luck

Proudnscary · 06/09/2012 13:48

I think it is your son who can't take anymore. You have a chance to make his life better. Your daughter too. Be brave and strong and do something about this - or as caramel says he will never forgive you for not protecting him and choosing him over this bully.

Stop harping on about the past, stop wishing he'll change and it will end in fairytale happiness - it won't.

He is extremely violent to you and abusive to your son. Call Women's Aid and get out of this mess.

BrainSurgeon · 06/09/2012 14:04

Not experienced I'm afraid so can't give much advice, other than agree with Cogito and everyone else.

I just wanted to say my heart sank when I read about your DS trying to stand up for you and protect you from your partner. He sounds like a lovely brave boy who deserves more. That for me would be a massive wake up call. You don't want to risk your son being abused and you don't want him to grow up in the knowledge that his mum is or could be hurt Sad

goosebumples · 06/09/2012 14:12

Thank you all - I think I knew this all along but just wanted to know there really is nothing left to salvage

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goosebumples · 06/09/2012 14:14

Thanks BrainSurgeon, DS is bloody wonderful and they both deserve more, I am going to find the courage and be determined to provide that for them

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GoldenGeek · 06/09/2012 14:19

OP you seem to think because you had a lightbulb moment and turned yourself around that he will/wants to do the same. I'm sorry but I don't think he wants to change, let alone has the will to do it.

As a mum you must protect your children. You and your kids need to live somewhere separate from him until he decides to stop drinking and bullying. I fear you may wait a long time, but I see no reason why you continue to live with him

What you did in the past was wrong, well done for realising and making that change. It doesn't however mean you should allow yourself and kids to be verbal punchbags in penance. You do not owe this man your silence to his nastiness, because of the past.

You owe it to yourself & your children to get out. The ladies on here have a wealth of information if you need practical advice on getting out.

It doesn't have to be the end (if that's how you feel) but you are both in such a toxic environment, how can you truly know/understand how you feel about him?

GoldenGeek · 06/09/2012 14:21

Sorry I must have mis-read, it's not purely verbal...you have to get out. Now.

izzyizin · 06/09/2012 14:29

I'm far from perfect, honey, but as a single parent I have always put the welfare and wellbeing of my dc above my sexual own needs.

As you've given up drinking it seems you'll be in no danger of getting inebriated and having it off a drunken grope with your ex at the forthcoming reunion which, as I'm sure you know, would only serve to make your current bad situation worse.

goosebumples · 06/09/2012 14:37

izzyizin - I am not going to be drawn into a slanging match with you. You are clearly not here to help or be supportive just finger wag so why not sod off and see if you can find someone else to judge, or a group for perfect people to love each other all day. Will stop trying to justify my life to you now as clearly no one can measure up - so just do me a favour and naff off. I've got enough to deal with already thanks

GoldenGeek - Thank you, think thats good advice and at least gives me a good starting point.

With one obvious exception you have all been really helpful thank you. Going to stop crying at my desk and work out how to change our lives for the better now x

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TantrumsAndGoldAndOrange · 06/09/2012 14:40

The ex getting in touch is not an issue. Or not one you should be worrying about at least.
The issue should be the man hitting you, abusing your DS, telling your dd that you are a terrible parent.
They are major major issues.
Not just for your safety but your DCs.

You say you don't know how you didn't lose your temper? Well you should have. It's up to you to protect yourself and your children.

Call women's aid, get rl friends to help, whatever it takes, just get away. Call the police if you think leaving will escalate and have them there with you.

Rowanhart · 06/09/2012 17:12

You love him? More than you love DS whom he is abusing? More than you live DD ego is going to grow up thinking abusive relationships are th norm?

Get out. Put your children first.