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How to deal with this friend.

51 replies

Megan74 · 24/08/2012 09:20

This is more of a 'am I imagining this ?' thread. I would n't want to say this in RL as it all sounds a bit woolly but here goes. I have a local friend, lets call her Tina. Her son is in the same year as mine and they are friends. We speak via email/text regularly and see each other quite a bit. All sounds good.

However, she is always so sly in want of a better word.Just lots of underhand comments and little digs. I can't quite put my finger on it. Here are a few examples:

1.I was telling her how bad I feel about not being able to take my daughter for her first day at school (my mum is doing it so not the end of the world)due to work. Further into the conversation she starts telling me how she is going to take a years sabbatical when her youngest starts school so she can be around. I read that back and it looks a bit ridiculous but at the time I thought I just wouldn't have said that at that time to a friend who is clearly worried about not being around for the childs first day at school.

  1. Tina offered to take my son to the cinema with her son. My son is a good reader- just one of those things. Her son is good at maths. All good at different things blah, blah. Tina returns and says while they were out they did some maths and she was "surprised her son could do the sums but my son couldn't". I was a bit Shock at the comment and why was she testing my son. Weird but just ignored it.

3.Every time her son goes to a party that my son hasn't been invited to she calls me up saying " lovely party, the whole class was there.blah blah." I reply calmly "well Tom wasn't so the whole class wasn't there". She even spent an hour talking to me once listing all the people who were there and how odd that Tom wasn't.At the time it upset me as it became clear that Tom was the only one not invited but I am guessing there was a mix up somewhere.Anyway I digress.

She is also constantly commenting on other mums (very threatened by anyone slim/attractive) as well as the children.

But.

She can also be great fun.The above is not the whole of her character by any means. But over the years I have learnt not to share my worries as she then seems to say something that almost rubs my face in it.

How do you handle people like this?I find it so darn confusing.

I veer between thinking she is just plain tactless or an utter bitch. I pulled her up on the party comments by telling her she was being insensitive and she turned it round by telling other people I get funny about parties. So now I look like a loon when one less party would be great.

How do you deal with people like this?Ignore or say something and if so what?

Wow that was quite a rant.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/08/2012 09:26

You say she feels threatened by anyone slim/attractive and I think she feels insecure generally. That kind of person tends to engage in one up-manship either consciously or subconsciously in order to make themselves feel superior and your choices are a) get offended, b) ignore it or c) pick them up on it....or give them a wide berth which is what I tend to do.

wisewomanmummy · 24/08/2012 09:28

She doesn't sound much of a friend to me so I would be backing off and telling her nothing.
Life's too short to put up with these people.

HecateHarshPants · 24/08/2012 09:31

Sounds like she is a really jealous person and quite a bitch.

The most expert bitches are the ones that leave you feeling bad about yourself and doubting whether they were even being a bitch in the first place.

you need to start challenging her on it - if you don't want to just dump her, that is!

That hurt my feelings
Why did you need to tell me that
What do you mean by that
etc

MothershipG · 24/08/2012 09:34

Only you know what you get from this friendship. I think that you have to decide if she's worth it, does the good outweigh the bad?

Who knows why she is like that and you can't change her so you either have decide that she is worth developing a thick skin for or you ease her out of your life.

bumhead · 24/08/2012 09:34

She sounds insecure as fuck.
Put some space between you, if she is running other people down to you, what is she saying about you to them?

northcountrygirl · 24/08/2012 09:59

There are people like this in every school and I deal with them by refusing to engage on any level.

My sister is more tolerant than me and has a friend just like this. I will not be in the same room as her. I won't be facebook friends with her, I won't exchange numbers, emails - nothing.

My view is that I don't have enough time to spend on the people I DO like so I'm certainly not going to waste time on people that I don't!

If you're children are of the age where you still have to go in the playground to pick them up I would either take a phone or ipod. It's a great tool if you suddenly need to ignore someone without appearing too rude...

Megan74 · 24/08/2012 11:43

Thanks all. She is pretty hard to avoid due to shared friends/living nearby/same gym classes. etc. I learnt when I challenged her about the party comments that she then twisted it to make it look like I was a loon who got offended when her child didn't go to a party. I have put as much space as I can between us and don't confide in her. Although that can be difficult as sometimes its just idol chat that leads to the comments, my daughter starting school being an example.I didn't think of that as confiding.I would have said that to most people as we were talking about it. I think I just need to be more direct. "Why are you being so rude?" That type of thing. I just cannot fathom why anyone would call someone knowing their child wasn't at a party to gloat. It's competitive in the most ridiculous way,spiteful as she knows when she calls that my son wasn't there so why say the "whole class" was there. and pointless as what does she hope to achieve. i don't wan to fall into the competitive parent trap by letting her know she winds me up. Aggghhhhhh. I left school 20 years ago FGS but this is schoolkid stuff.

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sugarice · 24/08/2012 11:47

She sounds like a bit of a cow, is she jealous of you d'you think?

FasterHigherBeardierDaddyman · 24/08/2012 11:55

Next time she starts off on one stare intently at her hair until she stops talking and asks what you're looking at. Then say "is that a grey hair?" It'll totally derail her train of thought and move her focus elsewhere.

Or am I being too mean?

TheWonderfulFanny · 24/08/2012 12:02

Heh heh heh, what beardy said...

And does her h know she's planning on halving the family income for a year so she can watch daytime TV between 9 and 3?

UnrequitedSkink · 24/08/2012 12:03

Some people never grow up! I have a friend who does similar things to this and I'm gradually trying to reduce contact with her...she's lovely in so many other ways but I feel like she's always stealth boasting about her kids to the detriment of mine. And she's really keen for us to be friends socially, but I always come away feeling a little bit undermined, often it's not even something I can put my finger on but I do feel like our friendship is somehow tainted. Problem is it brings out the worst in me and I start doing it back! Which I hate...I don't want friends who make me into a worse version of myself. So sorry, that wasn't a very helpful post, I just wanted you to know you're not alone!

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 24/08/2012 12:06

One phrase to keep up your sleeve - and said with a quizzical look "Did you mean that to sound so rude?"

Megan74 · 24/08/2012 12:06

Thanks all. Unrequited - I know exactly what you mean. So far I have managed to avoid joining in with her but only because I stop myself. Why do things have to be so complicated??

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Patsy99 · 24/08/2012 12:14

I'd go for a few stock phrases which close her down without really engaging with her. eg.

"well it's not a competition is it",
or
"we were busy doing other stuff".

Then give her a wide as berth as you can manage. I'm not sure why you spent an hour listening to her listing everyone else at a party really.

BTW, if she's like this with you she will be with everyone else too. I expect other people think she's a pain as well.

Megan74 · 24/08/2012 12:22

sugarice - I have no idea if she is jealous. She is very motivated by stuff, houses, money,designer bags etc.My car is older, my house smaller and I don't go in for designer bags (never understood why you would) so I wouldn't think she is. Most of the comments are to do with the children but not just mine. Some are personal to me - like the time she corrected her sister for saying I was slim by letting her know I have a"fat around my middle" and then regurgitating the conversation to me. WTF. What a weirdo. You just wouldn't do it would you.

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Megan74 · 24/08/2012 12:23

Thanks Patsy - Good answers. The hour thing was due to us being in the park together. I kept saying "oh well maybe the invite went missing.Never mind" but she was like a dog with a bone.

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Patsy99 · 24/08/2012 12:25

She sounds so awful she's almost funny. Avoid, avoid, avoid.

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2012 12:39

I kept saying "oh well maybe the invite went missing.Never mind" but she was like a dog with a bone.
Can you confront? Say - 'What's your point? Are you wanting me to be upset about it?'

I don't think she's any kind of 'friend' at all.

Megan74 · 24/08/2012 12:42

I will definitely use that one Scarlet.

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ChitchatAtHome · 24/08/2012 12:42

Megan - to avoid letting her turn it on you, stop her in her tracks with comments like 'Wow, 30 minutes about the party, I hadn't realised how important these little parties are to you!' 'Gosh, you're really focussed on Maths, aren't you. Did you have some bad experiences at school with being left behind?'

This way you avoid putting the focus on how you feel (because she will twist that and make you look pitiful) and put the focus on her, in a negative way.

And distance yourself as much as you can.

Megan74 · 24/08/2012 12:44

Thanks Nanny. I will try that as well. I am not so good with confrontational although can be quite arsey when I want to be Grin.Most people would stop when I say " Well never mind they all go to different parties". She just seems to be incredibly thick skinned.

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sugarice · 24/08/2012 12:55

'fat around your middle' and then told you how she corrected her sister Shock she's barking never mind thick skinned! What a vile woman and I wouldn't be friends with her, I couldn't stand the strain of being around her.

dondon33 · 24/08/2012 12:55

I would use some of the comments others have given you (Patsy99 and scarlett) see how she reacts. If she still didn't get the message I'd be blunt and tell her she's offensive and it makes her come across as jealous, childish etc

Life really is too short to put up with people like this, don't doubt yourself, you've done nothing wrong. She's the one with the problem(s) not you.

PS I kind of like Fasters distraction technique :)

daytoday · 24/08/2012 13:32

Regarding your comment to he, about not being around when your daughter starts school etc etc - I think its unfair of you to expect her to keep quiet about what she is doing (her sabbatical) just because it makes you feel bad. Your guilt is your bag not hers.

Regarding the competition element? Maybe it will settle when your kids start school but if not and you come away feeling frustrated and a bit low - then maybe have some space from each other. Its quite nerve racking starting and doesn't always bring out the best in parents- but it normally settle after a bit.

wellwisher · 24/08/2012 14:05

If you have the bitch skills and the energy, you could turn it around on her by every time she starts having a dig, saying something like "oh darling, you know I love you but you have the tact of a rhino, how does your dh put up with it?!"... but I would just gradually freeze her out until you are on smiling and nodding terms only. Life's too short to engage with this sort of nonsense.