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Kissed boss - now freaking out. WWYD?

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Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 13:52

Sorry, this is long. Namechanged. And I'm well prepared to be flamed.

A bit of background: I'm 25, I have a DD after a LTR, ex-DP and I separated a few months ago. I took four months off to have DD last year and in that time my head of team left, and a new head came in. He's twenty years older than me with a DP and kids.

Our team is small and we're not formal at all. We often have nights out which usually involve a lot of alcohol. He and I have always gotten on really well - I'm irreverent and cheeky - we share a sense of humour. When ex-DP and I broke up, I confided in him about it. But in my mind that's all it was - 'office banter' and a good working relationship.

But, a few weeks ago on a team night out, we ended up dancing together for most of the night - drunk - and I was aware that something was happening that probably shouldn't be. Nothing happened, it was just ... not right. The next day at work, I confided in a friend who essentially said, "yes, people were wondering about that!" But nothing happened, so I didn't mention it, and we carried on as normal.

Now that I look back, we have been getting closer - too much eye contact, constantly talking, I think I've been in denial about that. And on work drinks, we're always chatting away, and I know people have noticed that. I've been trying to take a step back because I know it doesn't look good, but he's always there.

I didn't feel out of my depth until earlier this week. We had a team night out, which ended in going out dancing. Eventually it was just me, another colleague and him left. Other colleague was very drunk and I wanted to keep an eye on her while she was chatting with some random guys. So he and I were sort of left alone quite a lot, and it all started again - I let it happen, I am absolutely aware of that - I suppose initially I didn't want to turn around and make things difficult in case I had misread things and he took offence, or something, I don't know. Anyway, at a nondescript point in the evening, he leaned over and kissed me. I froze, and pulled away, muttering something awkward - then I went to the loo and had hyperventilated.

When I came back, predictably my colleague had disappeared, and he was there. We went outside to talk, and didn't say much, and then he kissed me again, and I didn't stop him at all. I know I should have done, part of me wanted to and didn't know how, but to be honest part of me did want to kiss him. I don't really remember the intricacies of what we spoke about - I remember getting very irritated at one point, and him calming me down. We walked, and we held hands, it was very out-of-body. We decided that we wouldn't mention it again, and would just carry on as normal.

Which is what we've done. Except now, I'm having panic attacks, and I feel guilty and nervous, and just horrid. I know I should feel that way. I confided in the same friend as previously, and she said she'd seen it coming. She was very non-judgemental - said we'd always had obvious chemistry, and that he lets me get away with murder. And now I see I've been blithely going around flirting with him, not realising all this crap, just being an idiot, thinking nothing of it. She asked if it would happen again. I said no, but to be honest I would have said it wouldn't have happened in the first place, so what do I know?

She asked if I felt taken advantage of - I don't, but I do feel powerless, and like I have no control over anything. I want to talk to him, and ask him what exactly ... I don't know. What the fuck? Is this something he makes a habit of? Can we still work together? But I can't - well, I could, but I feel like we're in a very precarious situation and if I do anything, everything will come tumbling down.

I've applied for another job, and if I get it I'll seriously consider taking it, because I don't think I can handle this. I know it was all of my own making - I honestly thought that nothing would ever happen because he's head of the team, and so much older, and so I thought it was ok to just chat away, but it wasn't. I just don't know what to do. I'm usually so confident and self-assured, but now I'm acting like a wet blanket. I'm trying to galvanize, take responsibility, and deal with this, but I don't know how.

I don't know what sort of advice I want - I just can't talk to any of my friends apart from the one girl who I know won't freak out about it, so I'm asking you guys! I think I should talk to him - I need to clear the air, and there's a team night out soon, and I need it to be clear before then. I guess, I'm wondering how others (with more experience and sense) would deal with this.

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TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 13:55

hmm tricky. your colleague ( the female) sounds ace. I would NOT go to any social events for work or be alone with him.

sugarice · 10/08/2012 13:56

If the other job comes up take it, he's got a Partner and children and your work relationship will suffer in time, both with him and colleagues.

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 14:01

My female colleague is indeed ace - it was her who found this job, 'in case I needed an option'.

I know I can't be alone with him, of course. And if the job does come up I'll seriously consider taking it - it's just a shame as I love this company.

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TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 14:06

yes give a vague excuse abotu staff social but leave it till about an hour before, pretend you are going so no one pesters you

Houseofplain · 10/08/2012 14:09

Honestly? I'd take the job, and watch your drinking. It does sound like you were all for being the tease and backed off when he wanted to up the anti.

If you've been openly flirting and "getting away with murder". I think your friends is doing you a favour.

As in environments like that, where it's alcohol driven, etc. Wrons as it is, it's always the woman who will be the office bike. When Your backs turned. I doubt very much your close nit team are so polite behind your back. If you've been getting away with stuff they wouldn't because you've been all over the boss.

Houseofplain · 10/08/2012 14:09

Oh Jesus damn iPad knit and everything else.

Looksgoodingravy · 10/08/2012 14:19

I think it's been flirting on both sides leading to inappropriate behaviour, again on both sides.

I would take the other job if it comes up, other than that distance yourself, I take it your not obliged to go on these team nights out so steer clear, it's obvious where this was leading so it's up to one of you to take a step back.

I feel for his dp!

sugarice · 10/08/2012 14:26

Your friend found you the job you're hoping to take 'in case you needed an option'?. She does sound a good friend indeed who's watching your back.

Looksgoodingravy · 10/08/2012 14:28

And yes I would definitely speak to him. It was wrong on both sides and hopefully he'll be feeling mortified by his actions, after all he's the one with a partner, let's hope so for her sake.

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 14:33

having mate as insurance incase goes tits up professionally i good idea. Id write dates, times and comversations down too. Shame is a very powerful emotion and might motivate him to be an arse

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 14:34

I should clarify, when I say 'getting away with murder' I mean in the way I talk to him - taking the mick. Not in my actual role - I'm a hard worker and I perform well in the team, I work just as hard as anyone else. He hasn't given me preferential treatment in that regard, and I wouldn't use him to get preferential treatment.

You're right, Houseofplain - I was up for banter but am now in over my head.

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hairylemon · 10/08/2012 14:34

Been there done that with knobs on.

Id have a chat with him, clear the air, don't get pissed on work dos from now on. This is salvageable if you both deal with it like adults and there is no reason to leave your job if you like it.

hairylemon · 10/08/2012 14:34

Been there done that with knobs on.

Id have a chat with him, clear the air, don't get pissed on work dos from now on. This is salvageable if you both deal with it like adults and there is no reason to leave your job if you like it.

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 14:38

looksgoodingravy - yes, I feel sorry for his DP too, and very ashamed. I'm not obligated to go on team nights, no, and I will steer clear.

Good call Tenapenny, re writing conversations etc. I do trust him not to make things difficult - and I will do the same.

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Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 14:43

Ok, I am going to try to have an adult conversation.

Would you recommend doing that in the office, or is that completely inappropriate?

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hairylemon · 10/08/2012 14:44

If you don't think he will make things difficult just draw a line under it, its obviously not great what's happened but if you can both agree it was a daft mistake then it will be fine, if a bit awkward for a little while

Wingedharpy · 10/08/2012 14:48

" I think I should talk to him - I need to clear the air":
No you shouldn't. Your only communications with this man should be work related and nothing else.

"there's a team night out soon and I need it to be clear before then"
You should not even consider for one moment going on the team night out.

"I've applied for another job and if I get it I'll seriously consider taking it"
What's to think about? You should take the job if you get it.

To be honest Sazzle, I'm not entirely convinced that you want this to go no further.
Methinks you have enjoyed the flirting and the attention and the special treatment this man has afforded you ("getting away with murder" etc).
Did any of this flirting have any bearing on why you and your partner split up?
You need to be honest with yourself first and foremost.
My sympathies are with his partner and children.
Wrecking lives for the sake of a drunken snog is just not worth it.

Looksgoodingravy · 10/08/2012 14:49

I think the time to have thought about being inappropriate has long gone, sorry but you've already crossed the line in the office, time to sort it out and I do hope you can. Hopefully a lesson learned.

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 14:49

oh GOD what if he professes undying love! you need a response ready for that.
aslo dont elaborate on your feelings at all.
if he says " but i know oyu fancy me"
you just dismiss and move on

hairylemon · 10/08/2012 14:49

Do you/he smoke? If so go for a fag break and have a chat. Doing it in the office is fine as long as there are no ears about, maybe if you have an office kitchen follow him in when he makes s brew and just start off with 'listen I'm mortified about the other night, can we forget it happened....." and take it from there. If you do it off site and totally private it gives the conversation chance to mutate which it doesn't need to.

Wilding · 10/08/2012 14:50

Try not to blame yourself too much here, either! He is the senior one here, in a place of responsibility over you, so however much you flirted (can't have been that much, to be honest, if you didn't even realise you were doing it half the time) he has still abused his position. YOU did not make him cheat on his wife. Of course you weren't behaving particularly well either but at least you realise that.

If you get that new position - TAKE IT. You can be sure that everyone in the office already knows there's something between you and that's not a pleasant position to be in. In the meantime, just pretend nothing happened and make sure you don't go to any more social occasions where something similar might happen again.

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 14:51

no dont express ANY feelings.

Just say i regret last night and it wont happen again. I hope we can move on

then you have to make a phone call or something

hairylemon · 10/08/2012 14:55

If there are lots of night out I wouldn't worry too much about office gossip. Someone else will be the subject of it soon and even if anyone does have suspicions they have no proof so just ignore.

I personally would only take another job if I wanted to leave anyway. There is absolutely no reason for you to leave, ride it out, don't let it happen again and it will be forgotten about in a few weeks, trust me.

ThePhantomDeregisterer · 10/08/2012 14:59

Do not talk to him. That just creates a situation where it's you and him and you have you and him things to discuss. It draws you in closer. Be professional, avoid and get a different job.

And as others have said, be honest with yourself. The reason you stayed was obviously because of him not because you were keeping an eye on a colleague as you would have been more concerned once they disappeared, they were obviously quite capable of taking care of themselves.

And remember, if you do decide to speak, or have spoken, you cannot trust what he says. The man is a cheat and along with cheating is lying. And you will almost certainly not be the first person he has done this with whatever lines he might feed you.

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 15:17

Wingedharpy: if he were a free agent, I might consider it. However - and I know my behaviour doesn't support this - I'm usually a pretty upstanding member of society and do not want it to go further given the fact that he has a DP. The flirting had no bearing on why my DP and split up, not at all, our relationship has been in the doldrums for a long time. I did enjoy the flirting - I admit that - I didn't flirt with the intention of it going further - or, god, I don't think I did. I don't know - I am having to re-evaluate myself based on this.

If he expressed undying love I will have to put a spork in his eye. No, no. I don't know - yes, I'll think about what I'd say, but doubt he will, and I certainly won't say anything of the sort myself.

Definitely can't talk about it in the office kitchen - he'd have a heart attack, it's open plan and people work in there. I think a meeting room is the best bet - they have windows.

I do realise I behaved ridiculously, badly, and I do feel bad about it, I'm in no way trying to excuse my actions. I can't believe I let it go this far - I'm a very exuberant person, my default setting is 'banter' * and have a lot of male friends (none of whom this has happened with before I should add) so it was easy to be in denial and silly - I should have been smarter, and more self aware.

I have learned a lesson here. I do feel the need to reiterate that when I said he lets me "get away with murder" I absolutely don't mean in terms of how hard I work, or my targets, or anything like that. I just meant that I take the mick with him, and he endorses it. I have my faults but I'm not the sort of woman who would use a man like that.

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