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Kissed boss - now freaking out. WWYD?

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Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 13:52

Sorry, this is long. Namechanged. And I'm well prepared to be flamed.

A bit of background: I'm 25, I have a DD after a LTR, ex-DP and I separated a few months ago. I took four months off to have DD last year and in that time my head of team left, and a new head came in. He's twenty years older than me with a DP and kids.

Our team is small and we're not formal at all. We often have nights out which usually involve a lot of alcohol. He and I have always gotten on really well - I'm irreverent and cheeky - we share a sense of humour. When ex-DP and I broke up, I confided in him about it. But in my mind that's all it was - 'office banter' and a good working relationship.

But, a few weeks ago on a team night out, we ended up dancing together for most of the night - drunk - and I was aware that something was happening that probably shouldn't be. Nothing happened, it was just ... not right. The next day at work, I confided in a friend who essentially said, "yes, people were wondering about that!" But nothing happened, so I didn't mention it, and we carried on as normal.

Now that I look back, we have been getting closer - too much eye contact, constantly talking, I think I've been in denial about that. And on work drinks, we're always chatting away, and I know people have noticed that. I've been trying to take a step back because I know it doesn't look good, but he's always there.

I didn't feel out of my depth until earlier this week. We had a team night out, which ended in going out dancing. Eventually it was just me, another colleague and him left. Other colleague was very drunk and I wanted to keep an eye on her while she was chatting with some random guys. So he and I were sort of left alone quite a lot, and it all started again - I let it happen, I am absolutely aware of that - I suppose initially I didn't want to turn around and make things difficult in case I had misread things and he took offence, or something, I don't know. Anyway, at a nondescript point in the evening, he leaned over and kissed me. I froze, and pulled away, muttering something awkward - then I went to the loo and had hyperventilated.

When I came back, predictably my colleague had disappeared, and he was there. We went outside to talk, and didn't say much, and then he kissed me again, and I didn't stop him at all. I know I should have done, part of me wanted to and didn't know how, but to be honest part of me did want to kiss him. I don't really remember the intricacies of what we spoke about - I remember getting very irritated at one point, and him calming me down. We walked, and we held hands, it was very out-of-body. We decided that we wouldn't mention it again, and would just carry on as normal.

Which is what we've done. Except now, I'm having panic attacks, and I feel guilty and nervous, and just horrid. I know I should feel that way. I confided in the same friend as previously, and she said she'd seen it coming. She was very non-judgemental - said we'd always had obvious chemistry, and that he lets me get away with murder. And now I see I've been blithely going around flirting with him, not realising all this crap, just being an idiot, thinking nothing of it. She asked if it would happen again. I said no, but to be honest I would have said it wouldn't have happened in the first place, so what do I know?

She asked if I felt taken advantage of - I don't, but I do feel powerless, and like I have no control over anything. I want to talk to him, and ask him what exactly ... I don't know. What the fuck? Is this something he makes a habit of? Can we still work together? But I can't - well, I could, but I feel like we're in a very precarious situation and if I do anything, everything will come tumbling down.

I've applied for another job, and if I get it I'll seriously consider taking it, because I don't think I can handle this. I know it was all of my own making - I honestly thought that nothing would ever happen because he's head of the team, and so much older, and so I thought it was ok to just chat away, but it wasn't. I just don't know what to do. I'm usually so confident and self-assured, but now I'm acting like a wet blanket. I'm trying to galvanize, take responsibility, and deal with this, but I don't know how.

I don't know what sort of advice I want - I just can't talk to any of my friends apart from the one girl who I know won't freak out about it, so I'm asking you guys! I think I should talk to him - I need to clear the air, and there's a team night out soon, and I need it to be clear before then. I guess, I'm wondering how others (with more experience and sense) would deal with this.

OP posts:
Lueji · 10/08/2012 15:29

It's always dangerous to flirt with a man in a relationship, or a boss, for that matter.
Flirting is hardly innocent.

Not only he has a partner, but he is also your boss.

Maintaining your distance is always the best approach. Unless you want something to happen.

Fine if you are like that with everyone, but after the first kiss, you really should have kept your distance and that should be your approach now.
Do you really need to talk?
Show that you mean it with your actions.

garlicnuts · 10/08/2012 15:47

I disagree with most here. Avoiding him and shunning the nights out is only going to make your life awkward - and lonelier - plus, it's quite likely to make everyone think you are having an affair!

I once slept with a colleague I was close to. He was in a relationship. After a rather stilted morning in the office, we grabbed each other for a quiet moment to say exactly the same thing: "Was nice but never should have happened. Let's just go back to being work-mates and friends." Which we did. I'm in favour of saying something, but it should be short and to the point.

If he tries to persuade you to keep things going, then I'm afraid it might be sensible to start scouting for a new job (that's never a bad policy in any case!)
Good luck; hope he turns out to be a grown-up.

Springhasarrived · 10/08/2012 15:54

Don't enjoy the drama of it OP. Dont create more intimacy with a little chat. Forget it, be totally professional and move jobs if you can. That is what his DW would want to happen and the only decent and honourable thing to do.

Lueji · 10/08/2012 16:14

TBH, I am slightly worried about his attitude.
I don't know exactly what your role was Sazz, but I wonder when you say " I do feel powerless, and like I have no control over anything" and "I'm having panic attacks, and I feel guilty and nervous, and just horrid". Having previously "he leaned over and kissed me. I froze, and pulled away, muttering something awkward - then I went to the loo and had hyperventilated" and "I remember getting very irritated at one point, and him calming me down."

You both seem to have agreed to "carry on as normal", but what does that mean?

When I say distance, is making sure you don't dance, flirt or banter with him.

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 16:22

im finding it rather thrilling. I wish he wasnt married then it would be all romantical

JustFabulous · 10/08/2012 16:29

"having mate as insurance incase goes tits up professionally i good idea. Id write dates, times and comversations down too. Shame is a very powerful emotion and might motivate him to be an arse."

WTF? He hasn't taken advantage, assaulted or hurt the OP. She has been flirting and happily kissed him and held his hand.

JustFabulous · 10/08/2012 16:33

NC fail?

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 16:45

I'm still debating whether to talk or not. I think I'm going to sit on it for a while and act professionally, avoiding social events and anything that might involve being alone with him. Today I've been doing that, and he keeps frowning over at me and asking if I'm ok.

We can't carry on as normal. Normal didn't work.

Lueji - what do you mean, his attitude? I don't feel pressurised, just freaked out. He is in the position of power so I do feel on shaky ground, but that isn't because of anything he's done, just ... the situation.

I'm pursuing the other job opportunity - it was probably time to leave anyway, I suppose.

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Houseofplain · 10/08/2012 16:56

With all due respect if he's in a position of power. You should have thought of that before openy flirting and "getting away with murder" by talking unprofessionally to him.

It does not make you look good sadly. Women unfortunately get a harder time and well yes playing games with the boss, is a risk.

MNsFavouriteManHater · 10/08/2012 17:11

you sound like a silly girl to me

are you ?

stargazy · 10/08/2012 17:16

I think you know you have been flirting way to much.Agree with Just fabulous on this one.But maybe I'm just a jaded old cynic having found out about months of flirting between my DH and OW at work.A bit of jokey banter fine.Lots and lots of eye contact and finding spurious excuses to be around him virtually alone when drunk?Come on now!
But at least you are doing something about it by airing it on here.
Yes re-evaluate your behaviour.Learn a lesson and don't fuel the drama by having quite little chats with him about it.Keep it strictly professional from now on.And maybe consider his DP and kids?
But that's just my opinion as a emotionally bruised and battered DW as a result of how work based flirting can get seriously out of hand.

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 17:19

Bloke could use it to have a go at her because she rejects JF

50shadesofslapntickle · 10/08/2012 17:28

You should not be flirting with your boss or with someone who is involved with someone else - I really feel sorry or his partner. How would YOU feel if this happened to you? You sound very unprofessional too.

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 17:31

Gah. Everyone flirts.

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 17:33

MNsFavouriteManHater: I don't even know how to answer that; my immediate reaction is to be defensive. But I'll try and answer it honestly: in this situation, I have been a silly girl, I know that, and so does everyone else on here. Generally however no, I'm not, I'm pretty sensible and live a quiet life. I've never been in a situation like this before, and I approached it naively, without thinking of any potential consequences. That was a big error, and I realise that.

Believe me, I am very remorseful and am taking the steps I need to, so that I can get on with my life and he can get on with his. That's the reason I started this thread. As I said, to get advice from those who are wiser and more experienced than I.

I am, of course, considering his DP and kids. I feel very bad for his DP and hate the thought that this may cause them trouble. But I am also not responsible for his actions. I take responsibility for mine, completely, and wish I'd acted differently, but I'm not his puppet master.

I'm not going to raise this with him unless the situation as it stands becomes untenable. I've just found out I have an interview with the job I've applied for, so am hopeful that will go well.

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MNsFavouriteManHater · 10/08/2012 17:37

You answered it pretty well

Will you stick to what you say or will you "naively" continue to respond to the ego-boost ?

MNsFavouriteManHater · 10/08/2012 17:39

be careful with the "I am only responsible for myself" schtick though...that's a common MN refrain that really translates to utter self-absorption and a "fuck the consequences" kind of mindset

it won't help you...put that one away

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 17:40

Oh fgs

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 17:40

50shadesofslapntickle: thanks for that. I agree with tenapenny - everyone flirts. I flirt with other men in the office and they flirt back, and it's mutually understood that nothing will happen, and nothing has happened. Everyone in this bloody office flirts, it's the status quo. This man and I, however, took it too far.

I work for a company in the entertainment space - it's young, non-hierarchical and everyone spends a lot of time socialising with each other and, as we say, 'having banter'. I am not unprofessional in this context, I'm the norm. Maybe that's unprofessional in the environment you work in, which I totally understand.

I'd feel absolutely awful if this happened to me - in fact it has, I've been cheated on, and it was horrible.

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travellingwilbury · 10/08/2012 17:44

I keep reading this as you kicked your boss ! Which i suppose could have been worse but slightly more sensible .

Keep away from the works nights out , I used to work in a place where this was a regular occurrence , the woman never came out of it well . I would put money on him finding someone else to flirt with by the end of the month if you walk away now .

Just a grown up version of teachers pet in my experience .

stargazy · 10/08/2012 17:49

Really Tenapenny?Everyone?There are different levels and IMO anything but the mildest and completely open flirting is acceptable in the workplace,or if you know someone has a DP.This has progressed to more than that.
Call me old fashioned ,but people get hurt.When I asked the OW at DHs work wether I should find their daily texting/ sexting 'just a bit of silly fun' - as presumably how their flirty relationship started-she knew the answer.As did her DH who discovered it.And other people noticed and it did her no favours.

garlicnuts · 10/08/2012 17:49

You are coming in for some stick, Sazzle!

He's more in the wrong than you are. He's the one with the relationship to care about and the responsibilities of both his position and his age. The fact that you had a panicky reaction shows you felt thrown by his advances - quite possibly because you trusted him to act in accordance with his responsibilities, and he didn't - and it also gave him the perfect opportunity to back off, and he didn't. He might be fun to flirt with but he is clearly a creep.

You're coming in for too much blame here, imo, in the time-honoured tradition of blaming women for men's bad behaviour. You were stupid to kiss him back and continue the romance game, but you know that by now. Forgive yourself. Also remember is is a creep, however nice or good at his job he may be, and he will do this to some other girl after you. All you need to do now is shrug him off.

Good luck with your interview! :)

Chandon · 10/08/2012 17:54

Can t you just store these precious moments away in your memory, and try to back off now?

PissyDust · 10/08/2012 18:14

Is Tena Sazzle Confused

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 18:40

Am I who?