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Kissed boss - now freaking out. WWYD?

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Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 13:52

Sorry, this is long. Namechanged. And I'm well prepared to be flamed.

A bit of background: I'm 25, I have a DD after a LTR, ex-DP and I separated a few months ago. I took four months off to have DD last year and in that time my head of team left, and a new head came in. He's twenty years older than me with a DP and kids.

Our team is small and we're not formal at all. We often have nights out which usually involve a lot of alcohol. He and I have always gotten on really well - I'm irreverent and cheeky - we share a sense of humour. When ex-DP and I broke up, I confided in him about it. But in my mind that's all it was - 'office banter' and a good working relationship.

But, a few weeks ago on a team night out, we ended up dancing together for most of the night - drunk - and I was aware that something was happening that probably shouldn't be. Nothing happened, it was just ... not right. The next day at work, I confided in a friend who essentially said, "yes, people were wondering about that!" But nothing happened, so I didn't mention it, and we carried on as normal.

Now that I look back, we have been getting closer - too much eye contact, constantly talking, I think I've been in denial about that. And on work drinks, we're always chatting away, and I know people have noticed that. I've been trying to take a step back because I know it doesn't look good, but he's always there.

I didn't feel out of my depth until earlier this week. We had a team night out, which ended in going out dancing. Eventually it was just me, another colleague and him left. Other colleague was very drunk and I wanted to keep an eye on her while she was chatting with some random guys. So he and I were sort of left alone quite a lot, and it all started again - I let it happen, I am absolutely aware of that - I suppose initially I didn't want to turn around and make things difficult in case I had misread things and he took offence, or something, I don't know. Anyway, at a nondescript point in the evening, he leaned over and kissed me. I froze, and pulled away, muttering something awkward - then I went to the loo and had hyperventilated.

When I came back, predictably my colleague had disappeared, and he was there. We went outside to talk, and didn't say much, and then he kissed me again, and I didn't stop him at all. I know I should have done, part of me wanted to and didn't know how, but to be honest part of me did want to kiss him. I don't really remember the intricacies of what we spoke about - I remember getting very irritated at one point, and him calming me down. We walked, and we held hands, it was very out-of-body. We decided that we wouldn't mention it again, and would just carry on as normal.

Which is what we've done. Except now, I'm having panic attacks, and I feel guilty and nervous, and just horrid. I know I should feel that way. I confided in the same friend as previously, and she said she'd seen it coming. She was very non-judgemental - said we'd always had obvious chemistry, and that he lets me get away with murder. And now I see I've been blithely going around flirting with him, not realising all this crap, just being an idiot, thinking nothing of it. She asked if it would happen again. I said no, but to be honest I would have said it wouldn't have happened in the first place, so what do I know?

She asked if I felt taken advantage of - I don't, but I do feel powerless, and like I have no control over anything. I want to talk to him, and ask him what exactly ... I don't know. What the fuck? Is this something he makes a habit of? Can we still work together? But I can't - well, I could, but I feel like we're in a very precarious situation and if I do anything, everything will come tumbling down.

I've applied for another job, and if I get it I'll seriously consider taking it, because I don't think I can handle this. I know it was all of my own making - I honestly thought that nothing would ever happen because he's head of the team, and so much older, and so I thought it was ok to just chat away, but it wasn't. I just don't know what to do. I'm usually so confident and self-assured, but now I'm acting like a wet blanket. I'm trying to galvanize, take responsibility, and deal with this, but I don't know how.

I don't know what sort of advice I want - I just can't talk to any of my friends apart from the one girl who I know won't freak out about it, so I'm asking you guys! I think I should talk to him - I need to clear the air, and there's a team night out soon, and I need it to be clear before then. I guess, I'm wondering how others (with more experience and sense) would deal with this.

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JustFabulous · 10/08/2012 18:43

I said that at 16:33.

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 18:46

Oh I read NC as national curriculum. Not NAND change !
I'm not sazzle no.
NutterS!

TenaPenny · 10/08/2012 18:46

Name.

50shadesofslapntickle · 10/08/2012 18:53

What rubbish, no not everyone fliers with attached people, I have respect for my husband and for other people's partners - you sound like a very immature young girl and it shows in how you conduct yourself. Work is a place to act professionally. I really really feel sorry for his poor partner being with him.

Let's hope you are so understanding about office flirtations if any future father of yor kids does it to you.

50shadesofslapntickle · 10/08/2012 18:54

*flirts. not fliers!

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 19:11

No, tenapenny isn't me.

50shades: I didn't say that everyone flirts with attached people, of course all people behave differently. I think I'm only now coming to realise that for some people, flirting means very different things to different people. For this man and myself, it clearly did, and I should have thought about that, which was my error.

I appreciate that where you work, people may act in a certain way, but in my industry, they act in the way that I'm describing - it's not a corporate environment whatsoever. If I were in a corporate environment, my communication style would indeed be unprofessional.

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Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 19:16

Oh, sorry. Garlicnuts: thanks for your post. I knew I'd get stick, I was prepared for that, and I'm trying not to be defensive as I realise to some women I will represent the OW. I really don't want to be that person - I made a mistake - it wasn't premeditated, but it was due to my silliness, hence asking for advice as to what to do. I don't want to make things worse.

Whether he's a creep or not, I don't know. I'm very confused because what happened did genuinely throw me, and what happened doesn't tally with what I thought of him, or indeed myself. You're right - I need to just leave the incident, and him, behind.

Chandon: backing off is what I'm doing.

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bloodyfurious · 10/08/2012 19:21

I had a job like this many many moons ago - it all came to a head when the boss I had been flirting with turned up with a client and I told him to fuck of elsewhere with her - he had the shock of his life, especially when he started going on about me over reacting and the other staff bollocked him about being all over me all te time then turning up with someone else. Nothing had ever happened between us - so I had no right as such to fly off the handle (he was also married btw and so was I albeit badly).

He called me in the office and we "cleared the air" - which is how I know everyone else bollocked him.

This was many, many years ago.

I stopped the alcohol fueled nights out shortly after and found a new job - and as hindsight is a wonderful thing I now see they were never really good for me in the first place.

bloodyfurious · 10/08/2012 19:22

This sort of thing was rife in the industry I worked in - huge drinking culture.

50shadesofslapntickle · 10/08/2012 19:28

I don't work in a corporat environment either - it's in design/pr/marketing etc so it is not straightlaced but I would not flirt with attached people as I don't think it is respectful - it seems to me you thought dancing all night together etc was ok but it's not as imagine how his partner would feel? I bet se would not be happy about that - would you if it were your partner? It's not on to act that way with attached people - I don't mean you can't have a dance with the opposite sex, but your dancing was clearly 'flirty' dancing with attraction wasn't it?

And he is a creep to do what he did as he totally disrespected his partner, the mother of his children who he goes back to every night.

Looksgoodingravy · 10/08/2012 19:30

Imo flirting is a big no no, especially with recent events in my life, that's why there's no sympathy from me Sazzle. You KNEW your boss had a dp and child, yet you continued to flirt and confide, flirting to me means 'I'm available' whilst your boss is definitely out of line you are equally to blame. You do however sound remorseful although I doubt this will make his dp feel any better, he could of course tell her at some point as my dp told me.

bloodyfurious · 10/08/2012 19:31

Media//design in my case too.

akaemmafrost · 10/08/2012 19:32

Anyone who describes themselves as "irreverent and cheeky" pisses me off immediately.

I think you are enjoying the attention too. You certainly went into a lot of detail about what happened as though you are enjoying mulling it over.

I don't necessarily think you should have to leave your job though, HE was up for it too. Unless of course you can't guarantee it won't go further on your side.

mirry2 · 10/08/2012 19:36

kissing the boss is never a good idea. You'll lose everyone's respect.

garlicnuts · 10/08/2012 19:37

Thanks for your reply, Sazzle :)

Whether he's a creep or not, I don't know. I'm very confused

You're 25. He's 45-ish. He is literally old enough to be your father. Because you're only 25, it won't be as clear to you as it is to me that he KNOWS his age & position give him various kinds of power advantages over you. Having taken unfair advantage of that, he's a creep.

Also, because you're 25 and in an egotistical kind of work environment, you're liable to feel that your powers of attraction can just overwhelm people men, inducing them to make choices they may not otherwise make. I fear your powers in this case are identical to the powers of ANY friendly, 25-year-old girl who comes into his orbit. The only thing he wants is the ego boost of 'having' - and having the upper hand with - a pretty young woman.

This is one of those moments when I feel a couple of hundred years old! I used to work in a business like yours, too. It was a lot of fun. In my twenties, some older people looked out for us younger ones when the alcohol, egos, drugs and creeps went a bit overboard. It's fine. Just back off. He is a creep!

garlicnuts · 10/08/2012 19:41
  • The only thing he wants is ... Not the 'only' thing. I edited a longer sentence badly! Basically, what he wanted from you had less to do with you, individually, than the fact of your youth. Iyswim.

Oh, I had an affair with a 42-year-old lecturer at uni. He was also a creep: the thought of him makes me shudder now, but I gave him the benefit of every doubt at the time ... until I met his wife. The twat.

Sazzlenet · 10/08/2012 19:56

I'm on the bus so can't do long replies.

It was a long op because i know how people feel re drip feeding. I am mulling it over - not in an enjoyable way - just worry.

Re whoever was posted that I said I'm irreverent and cheeks - sorry can't see on this - well, I am. I'm many Other things, less relevant to this thread. I know some people don't like those qualities.

Thanks to all, you've clarified things a great deal. Particularly garlicnuts - I'm thinkingabout what you wrote.

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MilkshakeMaker · 10/08/2012 19:59

I dont think you are totally to blame but there is flirting, and flirting and if your workmates are noticing it then you were doing the wrong kind.

He is a shitbag as he is the older one with a wife and kids and regardless of how low your morals are (as in you could be laying naked on a plate and he should want to resist as he's taken) he shouldnt have got involved. None of that he was old and she was young and willing if he's in a relationship he is a shitbag. maybe thats naive of me?

I am a single parent and couldnt think of anything worse than changing my job so putting yourself in that position was stupid, I get the impression you dont really want to change jobs though in which case only a up front and very calm and honest conversation will make it clear to you if you need to take that job offer.

I get that you regret what you did, but i also sense you are very confused by it all do you think you have feelings for him?

MilkshakeMaker · 10/08/2012 20:00

sorry that didnt sound as blunt in my head!

MoreBoober · 10/08/2012 20:12

This will end badly for all concerned. You have the chance now to knock it on the head before all hell breaks loose. Don't go to the social events or if you truly have to go stay for a couple of non alcoholic drinks and make some excuse and leave. If the other job comes off take it and don't look back. Its not worth all the pain and suffering.

MilkshakeMaker · 12/08/2012 22:13

Is there a update? I'm actually in a relationship with my boss's boss and have been wondering all weekend!

AnyFucker · 12/08/2012 22:34

Milkshake unless your boss's boss is in a relationship with children and you are the OW, I am not sure how this thread would relate to your situation

MilkshakeMaker · 13/08/2012 07:16

No totally different situations, but was wondering how it was dealt with at work, if it was uncomfortable or she managed to talk to him and it was ok...

anyfuckersfanjo · 13/08/2012 14:51

Where is this company with so many night our binges ? Seems to be set up very well so the married managers can try and score with girls.

AnyFucker · 13/08/2012 16:55

omg, my nether regions are posting independently again !