womens attitudes to crossdressing

[calikid]

hi everyone,

i write this as a response to the numerous comments on a variety of posts regarding reaction to any stories where crossdressing is a subject. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i am male and as such appreciate i may be laying myself bare to the onslaught of comment that is likely to come my way. although male i love to wear "womens clothes". What I would like to know is simply why shouldn't I. can anyone give me one valid reason why I shouldn't? because I have never been able to think of one.
I am happily married with two dds and a beautiful wife , all of whom i love very much. My wife knows all about my dressing and has been with me to a couple of tv gatherings. i told her not long after we got together and she was totally fine with it, we have been married now for 8 yrs. we do not let the children know as they are still quite young.
In all other respects I am very much one of the lads......I like football and beer (but then so do many women!), i work in construction, I teach martial arts, I help with housework , I don't mind ironing(coz i can do it while watching tv!)
I take a size 10 and look pretty good in a skirt and heels, but then so does my wife, its just she can do it whenever she pleases and good for her. its just the injustice and ignorance of society that infuriates me.
I'm curious to know how the rest of women feel about the issue

no its not too personal, its totally in tangent with the thread. i think she knows that i am enjoying the sensuality of the dressing up and that oftens leads to sex, but just as often it is just an habitual thing and we go to bed as per a normal working night and straight ot sleep. so its swings and roundabouts. but no it neither puts me off nor is a guarantee of passion.

she likes me in a skirt, but it doesn't become a part of any role play, likewise i like her in a skirt but she doesn't come to bed dressed either, maybe we're just too conventional, but we toss the clothes to the side, or rather i do and she puts hers away tidily!! hows that for conventional role play!

likeatonneofbricks right just spoke to chloe and got :S face lol when chloe first started to come round we would do a secne like thing of me saying bye to dp before he would got to spare room and come back as chloe when we would have a little chat asking about the week that was wired but kinda of funny i would get names mixed up too now that chloe is around most of the time even without wig and make up as we both work and do get tired at night so not always in the mood to dress fully i just call out to chloe i still seen the man but know she likes to be called chloe when in nighties etc as it is her here not dp in boxers x if that makes sense i guess when shes wearing a nightie etc she is here so i call her by her female name x it is complex and never really had to think about about it like that i just call her chloe she used to have a old spare phone and i would tx her if she went to work (ie wearing underwear and stockings under male clothing ) instead of my dp but its easier using my dp phone and cheaper. it is hard to explain we accpet what it is and happy which is very important to us both as we both had car crash lives

forgold, don't worry about the fish bowl thing, i wouldn't have posted the original post if i didn't think i'd be under the microscope, the whole idea was to solicit discussion and challenge opinion. throughout the discussion you have been very informative and productive with your views and that is valued

Do you think the trill will end and.the need to up it will grow? Like taking it to the next step and if so what would be the next step?

just asked my dp and was told been called chloe when in female mode is nice (in truth we disscussed if "she" would need a female name and i chose it within 3 months of being together ) i call dp by her female name sometimes in shops to get attatention not to be nasty or for attention seeking but its hard looking for clothes and saying it in third person and i get confused (which doesnt take much these days)
we do drab nights with a few local cds and at a pub we all call each other by the female name as on the website where we met and i have said loudly chloe do you want a drink somtimes as its easier to get her attention (shes in drab but with female underway on ) but for me when dp is wearing nightys etc she is in female mode and so call her by her given name there is nothing wrong with being bi gay etc i guess i see pass the clothes and see the human being that loves me for my faults and who has supported.

i don't think it will ever end, i enjoy wearing these clothes and thats it, in the same way as i enjoy watching football. its not like rollercoasters where once youv'e conquered one beast you have to move onto something bigger and better to maintain the thrill/fear factor (i do love rollercoasters by the way, but thats a whole different thread, maybe star that one soon!)

but in the meantime i suppose all the steps are towards to goal of total acceptance............a very long road I fear

unicorn - you mean face like that regarding my question 'why is never 'he'? so is it very rarely now that you cal him a 'he'? yes, the main thing that you are happy, especially as it's so hard to find the right person who accepts the quirks of any unconventional kind. It's great, he must think the world of you.

OP, yes, that's just such a great illustration of your situation. I think many postres didn't 'get' it for a while. The tossing of clothes vs her being neat (not that all women fold them, but still) is just again emphathising your point that you can be a man in all respects, including cinventional sex life, but still enjoy cross dressing. To be fair plenty of women dress like guys, especially it seems on hot days (sandals, loose t shirts and cropped pants - I'm not a fan of the look but it's not the point) and are women in all aspects otherwise. I can see myself being with a partner like that (but he would HAVE to look good in those clothes), but I couldn't be with the one who takes on the persona as I would still feel he wants to be a woman, despite of what he claims - rightly or wrongly. With the man who just dresses and looks great it can be quite exciting (if he doesn't dress in bed, as far as i'm concerned).

likeatonneofbricks i didnt do a mean face i read out your post to my dp and i got a confused look hence the :s look thats all when dp is in male mode he is his male name when he is wearing female clothes he becomes a she and so i call her chloe and yes she is around a lot however for our 2 yr ansiversary chloe went away for a few days so i and my dp could have a few days toegether (if that makes sense) i didnt ask dp to do that he just did it also when something happened a year ago he was in male mode as he wanted to comfort me in male mode

interesting, unicorn, so he is very sensitive to which occasion calls for what - and can choose who to be so it's not uncontrollable. Very illuminating as i never talked to anyone in your situation. I find the psychology on unconventional people very interesting. Tolerance is def the way to go!

tonofbricks, am i beginning to win you over or were you always on side, sorry, but i can't remember your earlier posts, but you sound nice and open hearted. and yes i can be a normal man in respect of dumping the clothes at the side of the bed. it irritates my dw but its just too easy to leave it to deal with in the morning. then i wake up and trip over them, and yes of course she's right. i know, i know.....very male attitude, i'm sorry, but you'll be glad to know i don't put wet towels on the bed any more, she's managed to work that one out of me!

it just shows that even gender is a matter of mind over anatomy, for some cds.

can u elaborate

likeatonneofbricks thankyou when recently we had my daughter vist for a few days dp was in male all the time apart from wearing undies it took me all day to remove chloes clothes and pack them away (its our desicion to not to tell my daughter she doesnt live with us and we have skipped around the idea but its not the right time at the minute ) and by the time she left my dp was despatre to become chloe lol think its cos i let chloe come and go as she please and put no resritections for her being here like lots of people do sadly

haha OP, I pretty much understood what you aer about from the start and liked it, as to me it's easier to understand than 'she' cds who become a woman, I thought all cds are like that. I'm tolerant of all cds but just couldn't see myself as a partner, whereas with the type that you personify, I could. You did win me over though more gradually once you described your taste in clothes and your looks - I can picture how great it can look, not like most cds you see on tv, and I don't see any in rl but i can imagine easily how it can look great the way you described, minus wig and makeup and ott jewellery. It sort of got my creative thinking going! so thanks. Also i think it can be a turn on if you like the person obviously, but not sure whether it's do with my slight bi tendency (not acted on so far) or not.

that was about unicorn post that her P thinks he's a woman once in the clothes and wants to be called 'she' - while his anatony is not changed. I.e, it's the mind that decides. Not that I completely can imagine that from his point of view, but I'm getting there. If i dressed in a man's outfit I'd still want to be called a 'she' - I still think he wants to be a woman, but unicorn says not.

i honestly don't think its anything to do with a bi tendency. more that if you find someone attractive and even more if you find them intellectually challenging, that can be a great stimulant when combined

Lol

i put wet towles on the bed, all my clothes are on the floor, i joined the mn fantasy football thing last year, i like rollacosters, i like boots (funky rocket dog or dr martins) i do all the diy in our house, i even sand and paint the fence and mow the lawn. I always wear jeans and tshirt uless im going to churt or xmas party or wedding reception - then i wear long black skirts lol

my husband is 5"11 and size 8, does all the cooking ironing and pack lunches and agreeded to a cleaner. He works in a female dominante office and has more girls as friends then men. He also likes rollacoasters but he has never warn a skirt or a dress and has no desire to or is he gay or bi.

We just dont put genders in certain rolls. We have a ds and dd. Our dd is 8 month old and wears sons sleeps suits and son likes ribbons in his hair and hairbands and likes hovering and doing the washing with me.

We believe in the indiviual and not the object or activity lol (but im sercratly hoping my dd will be a fighter pilot and ds a actor )

*nor is he gay or bi.

Op, probably nothing to do with it, but purely visually I've been attracted to random women when they look elegant and this is what's lacking in most men, this way you have a man (so the sexual side is familiar) but with a certain extra which most men don't offer - see what i mean? but as i saif it would have to be a man with a very particular look and an appeal as a person (i.e. i could be in love with as a person) - I wouldn't be up for it as a casual experiment sexually, just surprised myself thinking it could turn me on if the person was right - and surprised enjoying thinking of the outfits that could suit him !

Of course its about the indiviual and everyone is different. So why care about what clothes you wear as long as your a nice guy!

airofhope, i don't think you need to hope anymore, I think you've already struck gold

it's just going by the posts of women who aer 100% straight (or bear that) they all say it wiould put them off sexually as it's not masculine, so any degree of bi tendency helps i think but that's just my opinion.

*or near that

The lead singer in the band poecbo(sp?) who signs every me and every you and nancyboy has the look. He can pass as male or female. He is very good looking

tonofbricks, yes sexuality is multifarious. i believe there are the classic good looking men and women, and then there are also the androgynous good lookers who have that little bit extra who challenge the most conservative, even if they don't admit it. attractive to all, that is the ultimate, even if there is no intention to follow thru. marc bolan springs to mind!