womens attitudes to crossdressing

[calikid]

hi everyone,

i write this as a response to the numerous comments on a variety of posts regarding reaction to any stories where crossdressing is a subject. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i am male and as such appreciate i may be laying myself bare to the onslaught of comment that is likely to come my way. although male i love to wear "womens clothes". What I would like to know is simply why shouldn't I. can anyone give me one valid reason why I shouldn't? because I have never been able to think of one.
I am happily married with two dds and a beautiful wife , all of whom i love very much. My wife knows all about my dressing and has been with me to a couple of tv gatherings. i told her not long after we got together and she was totally fine with it, we have been married now for 8 yrs. we do not let the children know as they are still quite young.
In all other respects I am very much one of the lads......I like football and beer (but then so do many women!), i work in construction, I teach martial arts, I help with housework , I don't mind ironing(coz i can do it while watching tv!)
I take a size 10 and look pretty good in a skirt and heels, but then so does my wife, its just she can do it whenever she pleases and good for her. its just the injustice and ignorance of society that infuriates me.
I'm curious to know how the rest of women feel about the issue

Right. So are you, or not, saying that gender is a social construct?

Because it seems to me that you are saying society has evolved this way and it's jolly sensible, and of course women should look after their babies and become better communicators and women will be more emotionally in touch and .

Or are you really saying 'oh, I don't believe any of the shite that society spouts, but I just do it because it's the status quo and I'm happy to keep it that way'.

Physical differences - no kidding. But the vast majority of sporting difference is socially produced and condoned to tie in with the 'smaller, weaker, slower' model of womanhood. Loads of blokes have accused me of cheating. They started at school, and through adulthood. Because they have all been told throughout their lives that men are stronger and faster. Well, to be fair, they would be when even pre school females are socially conditioned away from physical activities and sat down nicely with an adult to read.

I can't believe you argue the same thing as me - it is all social conditioning, but then attempt to say 'oh, we'll, it isn't really. Men are faster, and women are better communicators'. Well, duh. Not if they are raised identically. If you tell all the girls the sit skill, be quiet and listen, and cheer when all the boys climb to the top of the slide and lob stuff, oddly you tend to create difference where none existed. It's feck all to do with innate difference.

Either you believe there is an innate difference which extends beyond the merely physical, or you don't. I don't.

Meh. Some men run fast. So do some women.

Sorry, faire, x-post.

Exactimo. It matters not a jot to baby who provides the nurture. I am shocked that likea places so much store by physicality.

Only read up to your reply to me like.

I'm not ganging up on you. I'm disagreeing with you. Where have I made one personal attack? You however have been quite happy to dish out judgement after judgement.

I said I found some of your posts sexist. I never said YOU were sexist. That's the difference.

Okay, mahoosive xpost. This is response to your 'theory' post.

Of course. And that takes us way back to the op, who was quite expecting us all to be up in arms about him wanting to wear a frock, and to fairenuff's posts that points out that ackshelry quite a lot of families co-parent these days.

I am not dissing any lifestyle. Any way of raising children. Any real life scenario that a couple or an individual has cobbled together. I thought I had made it perfectly clear that I am pretty tolerant of any real life practice, including sahming (shamed myself for many years, just don't believe it is the be- all and end -all.)

What I am disagreeing with, is the view that it is in some way innate. Necessary for the very fabric of our society to maintain gender difference in as many ways as possible (from feeding babies to clothing). And totally disagree that the status quo is inevitable because men have willies and women have breasts.

I don't give a toss how you or anyone else lives their life. But I totally disagree with people saying 'men do that and women do that' and tossing out bad science, without looking at social conformity.

Sometimes, just sometimes, men can wear skirts and feed babies, and the world doesn't cave in. It goes, 'oh, yeah. I see', and then a while downstream it becomes second nature

I really object to gender difference. Sex difference I get. But my vagina doesn't mean I communicate better. obviously.

Okay have read through now.

Like you accuse madwoman of being aggressive, rude and offensive. Do you not see how extremely passive aggressive and condescending your posts are?

That is waaaaay more annoying. If you're not doing it on purpose, perhaps read through your posts? You may be getting 'aggressive' replies because your replies are so PA. But it's all about perception, that is just how I personally perceive your posts, and how I perceive madwomans.

I think you're taking this very much to heart, and you shouldn't. Please don't. It's random people disagreeing with you on the internet. I certainly didn't personally attack you. Why would I? I don't know the first thing about you. I doubt we even live in the same country.

Madwoman hasn't seen the porno paraodies of The Vagina Monologues.

I asked where op dissected my post word for word without reading anything into it as you claimed at 13.03 today. I didn't ask where he said I or anyone else had dissected his op...

I think you don't actually listen to, read or understand anything I, madwoman, faire, lurking or others have said. What you are doing is consistently reading something and then leaping to extrapolate what the person saying it must be thinking. What is so bad about actually just responding to what a person says?

Cannot be unseen madwoman. Who is now definitely mad and in her attic. If this is the reference I think it is, you have wonderful taste n literature

Even if you had dissected his post word for word, surely that's the nature of forums? I mean we're doing it to each other right now. Why does it matter SO much if his post was dissected? Genuine query, I really don't understand why that's not okay. I always thought that's what forums were for. On IMDB people quote line, reply to that line, then quote the next line and reply to that etc etc. I always thought that meant you were having a real debate.

What you think is me misunderstanding you/op is me not reading what you have written and psychically understanding what your thoughts or personality or principles were when you said it. You can't do this on the internet, you can only go with what is actually said.

Hit enter too soon.

That was my understanding/assumption of internet debates. I honestly want to know if this is incorrect internet etiquette?

No, I don't understand why that is a crime either lurking...

Just to quote Madwoman

I am pretty tolerant of any real life practice, including sahming (shamed myself for many years

Now, let's talk about how you shamed yourself shall we? I'll put the kettle on

This happens commonly on here anyway, i find often when talking about something emotive or which evokes passion, posters keen to maintain a viewpoint others have found offensive and unjustifiable make passive aggressive jibes about others being "extremely sensitive" or "humourless" or "not living in the real world" implying and promoting that having feelings about things is bad and a sign of wrongness or naivety...

Really, I think I did quite well to remain so serious throughout the constant passive aggressive insult hurling...

Offred, you remained serious merely because you contain 0.5% of a sense of humour.

Out of the mouth of the OP: I am the youngest of 4 brothers and my mum made no secret of the fact she wished i had been a girl to complete the family! so therein, in my opinion was the start of it. perhaps as a young child i tried to fulfill her expectations. i remember experimenting trying on her slips then progressing to her skirts. and although i developed henceforth through puberty into and normal heterosexual male, by that time i had already discovered the pleasure of female clothing and its sensuality. and to this day that has never left me, and why should it

There's no reason why the OP should be denied 'the pleasure of female clothing' but, equally, it would be wrong to deny that his fetish has led to him becoming a transvestite who, by his own admission, wishes or attempts to pass as a woman in public. In other words, he's a tranny and so far, so non-remarkable.

If the OP were to stride around his village in a hacking jacket, gumboots, Bet Lynch earrings and flowery skirt sans wig and protheses-stuffed bra, it could be said that he's attempting to challenge stereotypical ways of dressing or that he's on a genderfuck.

FWIW, if the OP were to stride around his village in such fashion it's probable that his attire may cause some initial amusement and double-takes, but after half a dozen such outings it's unlikely that those who regularly observe him will notice what he's wearing unless, of course, his garments are particularly fetching and lead to questions as to where he bought them.

Despite the OP's denial that he derives sexual pleasure from cross dressing I suspect that, effectively, he's his own wife as well as being a dh and df.

Odd that he hasn't returned. I do hope his dw hasn't buried him beneath the floor he was busily engaged in laying while posting here last night.

am quite liking that outfit izzy

Ooh, is it shaming time? Shall I gather some rocks to go with that tea, Fairenuff?

with respect I can't battle against the three agressive posts on my own without a break! hope Op comes back but I'm having a rest. It looks like you enjoy each other as a club after all, Offred at last you are not excluded as you started in a sulk about me and op fornmed a 'club' . You also early on saud it was all offensive to you with not a shred of humour so new posters might want to reread that, but no they aer too busy [patting you on the back. bye till later, haven't read the last page and going to now.
Oh and be pleased with yourselves for shooing out OP with your muilitant vicious ideas/attitude, and bitching by yourseves! he was right wasnt he.

*postres , not 'posts'

Glad you approve, ninah. It's more or or less based on what I wear to stride around the countryside

eh? (hops back to s and b)

*not going to now

well I live in the country you see and I really struggle
a hacking jacket gives you a nice waist, doesn't it .. mm def off to search it out