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womens attitudes to crossdressing

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calikid · 29/07/2012 01:16

hi everyone,

i write this as a response to the numerous comments on a variety of posts regarding reaction to any stories where crossdressing is a subject. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i am male and as such appreciate i may be laying myself bare to the onslaught of comment that is likely to come my way. although male i love to wear "womens clothes". What I would like to know is simply why shouldn't I. can anyone give me one valid reason why I shouldn't? because I have never been able to think of one.
I am happily married with two dds and a beautiful wife , all of whom i love very much. My wife knows all about my dressing and has been with me to a couple of tv gatherings. i told her not long after we got together and she was totally fine with it, we have been married now for 8 yrs. we do not let the children know as they are still quite young.
In all other respects I am very much one of the lads......I like football and beer (but then so do many women!), i work in construction, I teach martial arts, I help with housework , I don't mind ironing(coz i can do it while watching tv!)
I take a size 10 and look pretty good in a skirt and heels, but then so does my wife, its just she can do it whenever she pleases and good for her. its just the injustice and ignorance of society that infuriates me.
I'm curious to know how the rest of women feel about the issue

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izzyizin · 01/08/2012 23:21

The OP was right, like. He likes dressing up in women's clothes. End of.

izzyizin · 01/08/2012 23:22

Have you tried wearing a waspie leather belt over your jacket, ninah?

ninah · 01/08/2012 23:22

well, naturally. Women's clothes are fab
and I've discovered a whole pathway to rural chic thanks to this thread
cheers op!

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 01/08/2012 23:24

Can we stop throwing the word militant around?

You've been pretty militant in your beliefs too like. Most people are on topics they are passionate about.

Again, no one has a club. I know nothing about anyone here except that a lot of women want to do Eddie Izzard Grin

It's very childish and actually quite arrogant to assume because people disagree with you we're all patting each other on the back just because someone disagreed with you. Hmm

ninah · 01/08/2012 23:25

well no, you see I assumed the practical thing would be a mac, cagoule etc and I couldn't bear to buy one so I have been living in a hairy jacket thing I bought to make a gorilla with for school and a Yves S Laurent overcoat from ebay
Otherwise jeans, jumpers etc - all v baggy and dismal
I resolve to smarten up!

likeatonneofbricks · 01/08/2012 23:27

oh, NOW we are allowed a style discussion, because women have a right to do so critically /humourously, but Op or I wasn't allowed to enjoy that. Offred and bunch why don't you jump on izzy and ninah for for derailing the discussion with trivialities. hypocrites.

ninah · 01/08/2012 23:29

it's a free board
although I beg to disagree that style is trivial

likeatonneofbricks · 01/08/2012 23:29

my beluefs on genders aer not militant at all, I'm a lot more tolerant about the use of cliches amd to men or cds who like to do housework. I wasn't the one jumping on those with shrieks of horror! anyway I'm off to rest.

likeatonneofbricks · 01/08/2012 23:30

ninah this was sarcastic - can't you read? I enjoyed discussing style with OP but the harpies wouldn't have it.

izzyizin · 01/08/2012 23:30

Put me down for doing Eddie please, Lurking. And while you're at it could I have a turn at Tim Curry as Dr Frank N Furter? And maybe a teensy-weensy go at Rupert Everett? Grin

likeatonneofbricks · 01/08/2012 23:30

trivial was how they saw it, not me.

ninah · 01/08/2012 23:33

oh Confused
where are you, harpies? I demand to talk Coat

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 01/08/2012 23:33

Izzy, keep your hands off Tim Curry! There's a line woman! Grin

Like: Yes, I can read. Perhaps if you weren't so rude and learned to spell, I'd have a better understanding of your narrow minded views. Not engaging with you any more because you're taking this way too personally and I'm over your snarky comments and passive aggressiveness.

izzyizin · 01/08/2012 23:34

The car's gassed up and ready to go, ninah. Shall we do a Thelma and Louise before we get jumped on? Wink

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 01/08/2012 23:34

Does anyone else really want to go buy a pair of stylish cowboy boots now?

Runs to eBay with insomnia and lack of funds as a justification

ninah · 01/08/2012 23:35

Grin best offer I've had for yonks

madwomanintheattic · 01/08/2012 23:38

Rofl faire - it always me chortle when sahm gets autocorrected. ESP in this context. Grin

I'm totes vanilla, you'd fall asleep in your tea, but I can probably rustle up a few anecdotes...

Izzy, thanks for reminding me about that little interlude. I can't decide if the op genuinely doesn't recognize that he is just churning out the standard-issue expected stuff of this particular genre, or if he is in the throws of exploration and would be better off posting on any one of the tv websites, where he'd have plenty of admirers queued up to give him some male validation and allow him to explore that side of the issue a bit more. It might allow him to be a bit more honest about his motivations as well.

I recognize the heels stuff, the liking to wear them as a statement of womanhood, (and the discomfort in doing so, and the choice.) but am faintly baffled by the whole 'oooo, women's clothing is just so sensuous and feels lovely on the skin' tripe. I wanna know where you buy this stuff, I am clearly not getting it. It just sounds like a fantasy version of what it feels like to wear tights, not the sweaty reality.

It reminds me vaguely of all the swooning women do over pilots in their grow-bags (and the sweaty and deeply unsexy reality of what you uncover when you strip off the flying suit. Bleeeeee.) nods to faire and drops a few hints

The op is fighting so hard against becoming a cliche. He so badly wants to be a man in a dress, not anyone with any sort of gender hang -up.

Offred · 01/08/2012 23:42

Grin 0.5% is generous Grin

Damn I need to sleep an will have to catch up with hilarity in the morning...

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 01/08/2012 23:48

I prefer garter tights. They don't leave ouchie marks!

izzyizin · 02/08/2012 00:08

I was thinking about the sensuality of women's clothing or the lack thereof last night, mad.

There's something about a seemingly unstructured Armani suit, a finekinit cotton jersey polo shirt, a pristine tux worn with a crisp white cotton shirt, a Burberry, a Shetland wool sweater, a camel hair coat, a leather jacket, an all purpose pea coat that makes me want to... touch.

I have these particular items in my wardrobe along with satin, velvet, needlecord, cashmere, linen, and lace garments aplenty but wearing them doesn't make me want to touch myself, ifyswim.

Sensuality for me is derived from touching the man in my life and having him touch me which doesn't mean that, in myself, I'm anything less than a sensual, non-trans sexual, female.

izzyizin · 02/08/2012 00:13

More than happy to stand in line for a go at Mr Curry, Lurking. Grin

madwomanintheattic · 02/08/2012 00:15

garter tights. sheesh i'm old. i had to google that as well. how new-fangled.

am loving the epithet 'harpies' so lovingly applied, btw. it reminds me of percy jackson, rather than the original harpies, these days, thanks to the offspring, but i still love it. and it's a change from nest of vipers, which is a bit passe.

am slightly bemused by the 'club' comments. how far fetched is it to understand that individuals can disagree with a pov? or even lots of individuals, apparently.

i'm interested in the idea that only women are allowed to critique and discuss style, though. possibly the most interesting (and comprehensible) thing you've said for days. it doesn't really tie in with the fashion industry as a whole, it being mostly run by blokes (and the whole ideal about female models being, erm, modelled on scrawny men in some sort of anti-female form gay nod), but interesting. not really my bag, tbh. i'm not an s&b afficionado. i can be insulted when the op tuts and hoiks his imaginary bosoms over the state of the appallingly dressed wimmin he sees out of a friday without believing i have an innate ability to make the most of myself. i understand what that means if it's referring to 'making myself look more sexually up for it', or ' making myself feel more confident'. but i'm feck all use on the sensual fabrics and nipped in waists front. i own many many pairs of shoes. some of them desperately unsuitable. but i wear clogs. Grin

i'd still do eddie izzard, though.

izzyizin · 02/08/2012 00:15

Garter tights? Wtf are garter tights?

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 02/08/2012 00:23

Garter tights probably isn't a real expression. Blush I mean I use garters to attach my tights (stockings? GAHHH) over tights so I don't get the owwie mark on my tummy.

calikid · 02/08/2012 00:24

been watching olympics, and frankly didn't want to deal with alot of the nonsense that this thread has been throwing out. everytime i seem to say something i get jumped on, not by everyone but there are alot of unfounded assumptions and accusations being thrown around both at me and other.

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