womens attitudes to crossdressing

[calikid]

hi everyone,

i write this as a response to the numerous comments on a variety of posts regarding reaction to any stories where crossdressing is a subject. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i am male and as such appreciate i may be laying myself bare to the onslaught of comment that is likely to come my way. although male i love to wear "womens clothes". What I would like to know is simply why shouldn't I. can anyone give me one valid reason why I shouldn't? because I have never been able to think of one.
I am happily married with two dds and a beautiful wife , all of whom i love very much. My wife knows all about my dressing and has been with me to a couple of tv gatherings. i told her not long after we got together and she was totally fine with it, we have been married now for 8 yrs. we do not let the children know as they are still quite young.
In all other respects I am very much one of the lads......I like football and beer (but then so do many women!), i work in construction, I teach martial arts, I help with housework , I don't mind ironing(coz i can do it while watching tv!)
I take a size 10 and look pretty good in a skirt and heels, but then so does my wife, its just she can do it whenever she pleases and good for her. its just the injustice and ignorance of society that infuriates me.
I'm curious to know how the rest of women feel about the issue

So you're effectively arguing with yourself in your own mind here, while you are doing that please try not to defame me.

Moi, cruel?

Okay, I can live with that

Btw, tonne, aren't you one of the ladies that's for turning? Could this be why you appear to be a tad irrational emotionally invested in this thread?

what is turning?

It is a thread for people who are confused with their sexuality. Sounds like your making a thinly disguised sarcastic dig there IZZY. Way out of order to be bringing someone's sexual orientation in to the argument in that way, just to prop up some ridiculous argument on a thread thats got completely out of hand

Off when you label someone's posts as sexist and promoting sexism, the person sees it as you labelling them, as their lannguage and their posts aer expression of them as a person - you do like to nitpick, I know - but why do you think OP and /I misunderstand? because it's the distinction most people don't make - life is too short to waate time like that, but also they aer just confusing the argument.
I didn't say EVERYONE is sexist, but society at large still is (see posters writing about people laughing at cds) it's a FACT, so me saying that most/many people aer still to some degree sexist is just stating the facts of life. People were vnot broght up in a completely non sexist way if they aer at least past 30, so to expect zEro degree of it is not living in real world. But I said it's the intent and personal progress that matters. Otherwise you aer an intolerant so and so who expects perfect attitudes and emotions when lots of those are inbedded and take a while to change. So to be outraged at something minor like Op mentioning construction for men, skirts aer made for women - is absolutely iorrational, that's how it WORKS in real life, even though individuals do have a choice but these choices still get laughed at/frowned upon and OP is asking WHY SHOULD IT BE LIKE THAT - and his posts aer laelled sexist/offensive - WTF? Just because he's not that advanced that he stuill talks about football and beer you jump on him - even though HE doesn't agree his posts [promote sexism, nor do I, big bloody deal if he does much more as he described in his real life and his attitude to his wife, much more significant than these couple of comments. What he described he is Doing does not promote sexism, yet you focus on just a couple of cliches he used. Also if we can't talk about any differences between womem and men in a positive way for fear of saying the post ois sexist - it's completely crazy! we have different bodies and slightly different abilities as a majority (re abilities) so wtf is wrong with stating that a woman is likely to prefer housework to working on construction site if this is the truth. As i said sexism strats when someone says that a man (or a woman) is SUPERIOR in any way, but OP never done that, everyone knows that a child needs their mother above the father so you could say in that respect women are suprior but men aer overall superior working as builders - so the stengths aer different but the overall picture is not superior/inferioi, equal but with differences.
izzy, I did mention earlier on the thread andtalked a while about how for a partner of cds it can help if they have bisexual leanings, or at least I was musing on the subject. I then said that as i have slight leanings, I could be happy with a partner of OP's type who doesnt take a female persona but purely looks good with his model-like figure in womens clothes (and that's the women I'm mildly attracted to somewhat androgynous, but never acted on it - while having familiarity of sexual side with a man, we sort of said it was best of both worlds in a light hearted way). But I'm not for turning properly (sex, r-ship) unless the one woman I'm interested in responds (not very likely), at least it's extremely unlikely to happen with another woman, always been hetero really, just mild attractions now and then. I knew you wre going to say 'cruel. moi?' that's a signature phrase

No, that is only true if you don't understand the English language like, there is a huge difference between saying someone's posts promote sexist attitudes and saying they are sexist. You can only get from one to the other by making massive assumptions.

I know you would like me to be outraged, I've merely been offended, I've never even said the offence was caused intentionally, just that I was offended. Think the only outrage here is you and briefly from cine...

Oh hi outmy! didn't expect to see you here
I'm not confused about my sexuality - I'm hetero with bi leanings, we discussed about proprtions in percents (to the potential dismay of Offred) on that thread, so I'd say I'm 85:15.
But thanks outmy - I'm not at all irrational on this htread, Op doesn't think that either, and the posters like Offred can be called irrational with their fixation on sexism to the point on nitpicking, and other like izzy haven't read all the thread and make assumptions (i.e. OP said it wasn't sexual as such but izzy states that it is - a tad arrogant
outmy - come back on out thread, I want to catch up!

p.s. passionate, yes, it's my nature, irrational - no, izzy , sometimes too passionate for my own good as can't let go of the argument with closed-minded people (not you izzy obv, but you didn't read all op's posts to be fair and are making errors about his sexuality).

And sexism is not just about superiority but also about attaching of characteristics to the idea of gender so talking about the differences between men and women crosses into sexism when it starts talking about men doing construction work and women having dainty fingers... Still can't actually believe those comments...

Ok, so neither OP or I understand English language though for some reason I never had similar misunderstandings on other threads (and one I'm seriouosly involved in) not ever been accused of not understanding English. OP also commented on you dissecting every word and not thinking of the wider meaning - do you really think you aer perfect and faultless Offred, no room for errors of judgement? you have zero sense of humour on this thread (or is that the rl personality too).

Where did he do that like? He had never dissected my post word for word.

off, so there are nO characteristics that attach to genders? the bodies are different too? if sexism is description of the differences then it's not a swear word. I'd call it science/psychology (i.e. women's brains are wired better for reading emotions fronm facial expressions because they aer would-be mothers, hence yes, there is a difference with men communicating/reading people's emotions in less refimed way as a majority)
Surely the dangerous sexism is ALL about superiority, same as racism etc.!!

I'm not sure why you think I must have a sense of humour about this issue or why I need to have a sense of humour in life in order to take part in a discussion. Had this thread been light hearted then I might have taken your point and actually I probably wouldn't have posted because I don't think this kind of stuff is funny. This op was about having a serious discussion supposedly...

Women's clothes are more interesting and colourful. Everyone has their own reasons for things that they enjoy and that is perfectly fine. It sounds as if you are happy and your wife is happy so it is a positive result. We should all be allowed to explore who we are so we can be the best we can be. Who cares what anyone thinks - envious about your figure though!

That is your opinion, it is untrue that male and female brains are "wired differently" that is one theory about gender differences in thinking patterns and test results. It isn't a given and it doesn't take account of environments.

what can't you believe? that women don't want to do construction work as a rule? go and LOOK at the sites then, it's helps you know, gathering evidence! Dainty fingers was again exaggerated not-to serious remark to make a point, but yes, most people who do embroidrey aer women, they enjoy it in much bigger munbers than men - that's sexist is it. How do yo manage to live evey day lifethen - you go to shops and demand that they blend women's and mens clothes sections into one? Ands everytime someone says 'beautiful woman, you jump and shout 'how darew you, it should be 'beautiful person'!? how boring and tiresome, do you lobby for women to work in construction as they promoting sexist attitudes if they don't want to be a builder? so completely OTT.

not-too-serious

Are you going to call a woman sexist for not being attractted to another woman, as surely accoring to that logic she should find both equally attractive, ignore gender differences - honestly the argument can't stand on its feet.

I know that you don't get it. You don't need to extrapolate into absurdity everyone I say anything.

Where did the op go through my post word for word?

Everytime

Offred, it is not my opinion, I do not examine brains for a living/hobby, read scientific papers - it's a well established fact and nothing revolutionary that I invented

you twist all of my posts by jumping on one word/sentemce and ignoring the whole argument, but I don't come up with rigid logic like you do that sexist is stating the diffrences - I'm just so amazed you could think that, that I felt like showing absurdity of follwing that logic with examples. Logic is either there or it's not, it can't be 'up to a certain point'.

I've never said that like, please point out where I did?

Where did the op go through my post word for word?

I know that what is established is that there are gender differences in brains. They do not have a full understanding of why this is.

where did i say that (word for word), can you quote?
As to brain differences, I was talking about a particual aspect = reading emotions and responding to them. Believe in universal wisdom/wisdom of nature (science only proves that with tests/facts) - it's a woman , not a man, who bears/can breastfeed children and has a body for it, so it makes perfect sense that she is a primary carer for a small child, and NEEDs to read her childs face/voice/emotion to help it when needed, it's the usual thing of everything geared for survival of the species. By extension women read/communicate better with adults too as they have the ability, of course this doesn't apply to all women, say some can read their babies but not generally communicative, or to women with mental dosorders, or say autism. Or if she a serious alcoholic. But fathers rarely switch on so fast in connecting with a new baby, they need to stay slightly less attached if you like, to care for the family when mother and new child are fragile. It may be shifting in new directions to some extent but we are taking the majority and what they'd be more comfortable with naturally.