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Do I make my 13 year old see her Dad or has he gone too far now?

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mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 12:45

Would appreciate your thoughts on this as can't think clearly on what is the best thing to do.

I have been split up from him since she was 2 - she is now almost 14. It was an amicable split really and he has had her every other weekend since. He pays maintenance on time every month and is not in the slightest bit violent or aggressive. He lives with the woman he met very shortly after we split, so a 12 year relationship.

Anyway.. those are the good points! Here are the bad...

  1. For many years now our DD has slept on the sofa for the weekend when she is with him. His girlfriend has 2 kids and one has only recently left home, freeing up a bed. He 'couldn't be bothered' to get a sofa type/temporary bed. So, aged 8 or 9, she would still be up at midnight when he went to bed.
  1. He doesn't get out of bed until lunch time. Him and his girlfriend lay in bed until then, then he comes downstairs, makes a tray of food for them both and goes back upstairs where him and the g/f watch a dvd. He has done this for years now...leaving DD on her own , bored until at least 12/1pm. I have always ensured she packs books/laptop/kindle / toys over the years. This is every weekend more or less.
  1. He very rarely does anything with her, never takes her out. Maybe once every 3 or 4 months at a push to a Hungry Horse pub for dinner or to go shopping with him and his g/f. She is constantly bored.
  1. The comments over the years about me.... which brings me to the final straw [ I think! ] ... DD has told me many times that his girlfriend calls me a 'stupid cow' and other derogatory comments. This makes my DD feel awkward and upset.His girlfriend once said that i mouthed ' fuck off' to her across the street once. This is laughably untrue. I am pleasant, friendly if i see them and have no interest in either of them. Ive always, always promoted good relations between my ex and DD - calling him constantly to nag him to call her or attend a school play or to tell her 'well done' for a good school report.

Last week DD bumped into her dad and his g/f in town and mentioned that i was thinking about letting her have one more piercing in her ears and she said ' Mum doesn't really like it though so i'm having to try and get round her ... ' His g/f then said ' she wont let you? What a wanker she is ... '

DD came home and told me this so I called my ex. I was cool and polite but made it clear that this was unacceptable to me and that if they wished to call me a wanker would they please do it between themselves. He got very defesnsive, swearing at me and calling DD a liar and that the g/f never said this.

I replaced the handset as he was screaming at me to piss off and saying he wasnt putting up with DDs tale telling a moment longer. his gf then rang me ten minutes later... she said yes, she HAD called me a wanker and she was sorry but she just 'sometimes says these things' and 'doesn't think'... I said I appreciated the call to clarify, that i hoped this was the end of it and that they were to stop calling me names in front of dd.

The upshot is that my ex is not speaking to our DD. Childishly ignoring her really- no call, no text, blanked her for 40 minutes the other day when they were both at his other daughter's house.... He is VERY stubborn and ALWAYS sides with his g/f... he wont be cross with the g/f for calling me a wanker- he will be cross that DD told me.

DD is upset and says she no longer wishes to see him or spend the night there. Do I agree to this? Does this ratchet it all up? Do i make her go as usual?

WWYD?

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mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 12:49

Sorry for the essay!

I have spoken with DD and said what I think are the right things... I have said for her to ignore it all, to rise above it, to try not to think about it too much as he was very much like this etc etc... it's not personal.

He has a 23 year old DD too - he was just the same with her when she was a teenager. Disinterested. Our DD by the way, is excelling at school, a lovely, well behaved sensible girl who has not given us a moment's trouble. Yet!

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HecateTrivia · 14/06/2012 12:53

I think she's old enough to make her own decision and tbh, I don't blame her for not wanting to bother.

Sounds to me like he's not bothered with her for years.

You get out of your kids what you put into them.

Does he deserve to be in her life? She doesn't think so right now and I think you should listen to her. Maybe she'll change her mind in time, maybe she won't, but at 13 the court would certainly listen to her view and you should too.

confusedgypsychick · 14/06/2012 12:54

I would let them have some time apart. It sounds like your X needs some time to grow up, and he doesn't sound like someone who should be around a 13 year old girl.

I would let your DD and X sort this out between themselves when they are ready.

Lueji · 14/06/2012 12:55

She's 14, so you can't really force her.

You have divorced him, why should she be forced to put up with this behaviour?

Let him come to her if he wants.

Lueji · 14/06/2012 12:56

Sorry, 13. Don't know where that came from.

squeaver · 14/06/2012 12:58

What Hecate said.

PurplePidjin · 14/06/2012 13:01

Two things strike me about this:

  1. her dad treats her like shit
  2. she's old enough to make up her own mind how she spends her time

Her dad needs to do some serious apologising to repair this relationship - whether he's capable of recognising that is another matter!

izzyizin · 14/06/2012 13:01

If she doesn't want to go, don't force her, but don't make the reason for any temporary suspension of contact about you.

If she's unwilling to go to her df's home because she's bored shitless when she's there, it may be that she needs a break- and it may be that it will take a break for him and his gf to reassess the way they behave around her and talk about you.

In any event, as she gets older she'll want to spend increasing amounts of time with her own friends and this may preoccupy her at weekends.

PeppermintPasty · 14/06/2012 13:04

I read this and thought how often it is that people are such tossers to their children. In other words, I think his behaviour is bloody awful, and I don't blame her for not wanting to see him. I would support her in whatever she decides.

Maybe you're so used to his crappy behaviour(and that's certainly not a criticism, it's been going on so long) that it's almost normal to you, if you see what I mean. It's not, it's horrible. You sound too nice!

mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 13:04

By the way, he isn't a 'bad' person. Mild mannered as a rule, works hard in his job, lives a simple life etc etc.... He has always been ...dunno. Faintly disinterested in her? i have spent years pushing him to take more of an interest - which he has always counteracted with ' I have never missed a weekend ' etc etc...

It's not fair to make her go then? Because once i tell her she doesn't have to, she wont!

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mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 13:06

peppermint - yes used to it i think. He is just.... disinterested. more interested in a weekend lie in until lunch or the football etc... of course, he will collect/take her to parties etc and do 'dad ' type things like come to parents evening if i tell him and 'force' him.

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confusedgypsychick · 14/06/2012 13:08

God no it's not unfair! It would be unfair to make her go!

ChitChatFlyingby · 14/06/2012 13:11

12 and 14 is the age that my DNephews stopped visiting their dad from choice and have never seen him again. At 19 and 21 they (so far) have no regrets about it.

PurplePidjin · 14/06/2012 13:12

Stop stressing yourself out trying to be both parents! She's seen through it to what a waste of space he is, so time for you to chill and let him get on with it!

JustFab · 14/06/2012 13:13

Please don't make her go anymore if she doesn't want too. It seems she has been having a really miserable time every weekend with her father and it is only now that she feels able to speak up that she can say so. He is a twat for ignoring her and putting his g/f always first before his own child.

elastamum · 14/06/2012 13:15

I think this is a defining moment in your relationship with your DD and hers with her father.

I certainly wouldnt send my children into a situation where they are being treated like that by another parent.

You should support her decision stick up for her. Suggest to your ex that he needs to apologise for his behaviour and make it up to her or she wont be coming. Make it his choice

pantylace · 14/06/2012 13:30

Your ex's stubborn behaviour and the nasty language used for you is the reason your DD's relationship with her father has run it's course. He is quite happy to carry on sulking while she rejects him. It's his loss in the long run. His daughter is growing up fully aware of his gaping flaws which he himself chooses to do nothing about. His regret will come to late. All you can do is back your daughter on the choices she makes.

She doesn't want to see her father.

mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 13:35

No, the bottom line is that she doesn't want to see him.

I have always said that as he is not beating her with a big stick then there is no reason for her not to go and that she can go out and see her friends when there, read a book or play on her laptop.

I am beginning to think that I have got this wrong and need to tell her that she no longer needs to go and that she can decide.

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Snorbs · 14/06/2012 13:41

You've done enough over the years to try to keep a relationship going between them. I'd say it's time to take a step back and let them sort it out (or not) between themselves.

But do be ready to give some emotional support to DD when she realises that her dad is more willing to cover for his childish partner than to see his own child. Your daughter needs to be reminded that this is simply a failing on the part of her dad; it's nothing about her. The fact that he's already got form for this kind of disinterest towards his children is very telling.

mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 13:44

SNORBS - I have told her very unequivocally that this is absolute not personal, not her doing and there is nothing she could have done or do to prevent it. That he does love her and is proud of her but it's just 'his way' and there is nothing i can do to change this fact. I've pointed out that he was like this with her sister, indeed he was worse, and that if he chooses to put his g/f first then that has to be his choice.

Luckily I'm a wonderful parent Hmm so she's quite content and settled and has good self esteem as a rule

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ChitChatFlyingby · 14/06/2012 13:45

Neglect is as much abuse as violence! He is neglecting her, ignoring her, and DEFINITELY NOT loving her.

LemonBreeland · 14/06/2012 13:46

Agree wiuth Snorbs, you have made plenty of effort to ensure she and her father have a relationship, he has done very little.

If she now does not wish to go to his house then why should she.

And how ridiculously childish is her father blanking her, absolutley pathetic!!

PurplePidjin · 14/06/2012 13:48

Would you tell her to stick with it if it were a male other than her father? Would it be ok for a boyfriend to treat her this way?

mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 13:50

chit - no, there is a difference. I understand 'neglect' and have a very clear boundary on what I wouldn't accept. She has not experienced abuse. Her father's disinterest, yes.

lemon - oh the blanking her thing is utterly childish. He is very stubborn, he would not apologise. He would just eventually 'thaw' towards her.

And the reason he is not talking to her? Because she 'told tales' to me.

I disagree. Telling tales would be ' dad let me have chocolate all day for every meal ... ' not ' dad's G/F called you a wanker in front of me .. ' and then he tries to deny this happened and blame his DD for lying.

She doesn't lie to me anyway.

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mylunchwasdull · 14/06/2012 13:51

purple - nope. I wouldn't. I only have done this because, well, he IS her father. He doesn't shout at her, argue with her, beat her or put her down verbally.

He mainly... ignores her. So therefore, for me, it's been less than clear.

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