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My friend has got herself in a bit of a mess (sorry, little bit long)

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GiveMeStrength2day · 07/06/2012 14:47

I'm posting this about a friend (with her knowledge). I'll try and include as much info as possible whilst omitting identifiable details.

Her 'D'P has anger management issues. He finds fault with everything she does - she can't do anything right in his eyes. They have one DC and my friend is (at his insistence) at SAHM. P insists everything is cooked from scratch and that dinner is on the table at the same time every night and if, for any reason, that doesn't happen he goes ballistic. He also has OCD tendencies with regard to house-cleaning (not that he actually does any cleaning!). He will verbally lay into my friend for the slightest thing. For example, he came across a (small toy belonging to the DC one day and because he didn't recognise it (it was a cheap thing that my friend had bought a while back) he shouted at her and said that she was a devious cow and that sort of thing. Another time the DC took a tumble in the garden - my friend was indoors and her P was in the garden and yet she was shouted at that it was her fault!! I could go on!

The P is also seriously obsessive about their bank account. He expects my friend to manage the finances (ok ordinarily fair enough) but also insists that they maintain a balance of £x thousands in a savings account. This is completely unfeasible/unrealistic given they have one (not fantastic) wage coming in. The savings account has dwindled down and down (to top up his wages) that when the day came and he asked how much was in there my friend panicked and lied. Then she did something really silly, she used an interest-free credit card and did a money transfer to top up the savings account! £thousands. She now makes minimum repayments using the weekly "pocket money" he allows her (meant for buying herself clothes and suchlike). She has offered (obviously not saying why) to get an evening supermarket job but the P said he was not prepared to commit to putting the DC to bed every evening!

She can't carry on like this - she is a nervous wreck. She is terrified of telling him and I can understand why. She's not sure if he would hit her (that hasn't been his MO up til now - just emotional bullying).

I hope I've explained this properly - it's hard to try and keep it brief. My advice to her is ultimately to leave him. The money is a red herring as his behaviour is vile now and he doesn't even know about the debt. There is equity in their house so they could sell it and she'll have to get herself a local job in order to get herself and the DC a little place. I've also suggested she speak to someone like Womens Aid.

Please let me have your thoughts. I'm happy to clarify anything I've missed.

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ChooChooLaverne · 10/07/2012 10:04

I agree for her to just get out. Hope you get through to WA today. Can I just ask why she isn't phoning them herself? I'm sure it would really help her to talk to them. She can do it from your house if she's worried about being found out.

Never mind about 'the conversation' or the dear John letter. He's not going to be reasonable about anything no matter what she says/writes. Talk to WA first and definitely the DV unit of the local police station - good to warn them in case he does kick off and they might have good advice for her too.

I would suggest that she gets out, gets advice, contacts a solicitor and gets them to contact him.

nickelbarapasaurus · 10/07/2012 11:19

Smells - you're right there - DH normally does the food shopping, and I went with him on Saturday for the first time in about 3 months, and everything we picked up, I went how much????
The OP's friend hasn't got a hope of getting it right - if she'd asked for more housekeeping because of the price hikes, he wouldn't believe her and think she was wasting it.
little things like a bag of sugar had gone up 30p, and 10p on a carton of (basics) juice.
:(

whackamole · 10/07/2012 11:47

I very rarely post in relationships, although I lurk a lot. I simply had to.

She has to get out. I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it is only a matter of time before he starts hitting her. As if what he is doing now is not enough!

RE the banking - she will not get into any trouble for removing funds from joint accounts, it is her money as well. I would advise her to take all and any funds she can, pay off the credit card, including any overdraft (otherwise her and her alone will be liable for it later) take her ID to a branch and open her own sole account, speak to tax credits and child benefits and get them paid into the new account, gather her important documents and personal stuff and get out. Honestly reading this back it's really scary, like reading the synopsis from a scary movie. She needs to get out, and soon.

Good luck.

whackamole · 10/07/2012 11:48

I personally wouldn't do a letter. I'm sure it would only be used against her. She might have a moral code, her husband obviously doesn't.

FairPhyllis · 10/07/2012 12:51

I don't normally post in relationships either, but I would frankly be very worried for her physical safety if she does not get out before Friday (starting the process earlier would be better so she can be sure the money has cleared). She needs to see a solicitor asap as well to see if she has any claim on the house.

If she does leave a note, I don't think she should waste her time justifying why she is leaving or apologise or say anything about the money - simply 'I've left and you'll hear from a solicitor about a separation agreement' should cover it.

MonkeyRisotto · 10/07/2012 13:51

I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be able to extend the mortgage to pay it off without her partner's agreement :/

One thing that I don't think anyone has pointed out so far is how this is all going to look. I don't think any of us here give a monkeys for his feelings, but to him it's going to look like she has ripped off all his money and done a runner - he doesn't know about the £10k debt.

I don't think that is the most important aspect right now, but it's something that needs handling - anyone got any suggestions as to how? Does it need anything doing before all hell breaks loose?

GiveMeStrength2day · 10/07/2012 19:56

WA didn't call me back. I offered to call them for my friend as I was just putting out feelers IYSWIM and I thought it would be one less thing for her to do (particularly as she couldn't have a conversation with her DD in the house and her call might be answered when DD is there if that makes sense). However, today I had a conversation with someone at our children's centre who is (I think) some sort of WA liaison type person who knows what she is talking about. She has now arranged to meet with my friend to give her to establish what "proper" support she can offer.

My friend is ok - the P is still away so she has breathing space

Smellslike - I'm with you on the shopping bills! We use mysupermarket.com but my DH does all the shopping anyway. My friend's P has unrealistic ideas about the cost of things - it isn't helped by the demanding meals cooked from scratch malarky (nowt wrong with a shop-bought steak & mushroom pie as far as I'm concerned!)

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runnindownadream · 13/07/2012 18:15

Hello op been thinking about this thread all week. I do hope your friend is ok

GiveMeStrength2day · 15/07/2012 13:38

Hi runnin - thank you for thinking of my friend.
She had a helpful meeting with the lady I mentioned ^^ and I think she has an appointment with WA soon. However I was only able to speak to my friend briefly (she called me when she was out getting milk) as her P flipping well turned up on Thursday afternoon - she just managed to get in to hide the DV/EA leaflets!! She said that the work away had ended and she wouldn't be able to meet me on Monday (our usual meet time). However I texted her yesterday asking if she could see me (I phrased it like it wasn't a regular thing in case the P read it) and we've arranged Tuesday. She subsequently texted saying it was possible the work away was back on again and she might be able to see me Monday (ie. tomorrow).
She has spoken to the building society about putting the debt onto the mortgage and they said it wouldn't be a problem - but, of course, she won't be able to do that without his signature. That said, when I increased my mortgage several years ago (they called it a home improvement loan), I did it over the phone and they didn't want to know what it was for. I don't really think it's going to be a option now anyway. I've got no idea what happened re the P wanting to see the savings account statement at the weekend. When I spoke to her briefly on Thursday I told her to keep her mobile with her at all times in case she needed to get out and I could come and get her.

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nickelbarapasaurus · 17/07/2012 12:43

:(

i hope he wasn't suspicious.

I hope she's alright.

GiveMeStrength2day · 04/08/2012 16:10

I thought I'd come back and give an update.
Well, the money issue is now out in the open. The P knows. My friend and the P were having a (shall we say) heated discussion about money (him and his usual banging on about savings) and he stormed off. She called her DBro and got him over. Just as the DBro arrived the P came back so they put the DD into DBro's car so he could get her away. My friend had also called the P's parents round. So when the P and his parents were in the house she told him about the debt. I'm assuming it was due to his parents being there that he didn't actually go batshit.
They've gone to the building society and it wouldn't be a problem to increase the mortgage to pay off the card.

The day after it all kicked off, the P sat at the dinner table with my friend and DD and said "I feel like I've been raped"!!!!! WTF???!!!

However the P seems to think things are going to carry on as they are! He doesn't appear to realise that they are splitting up! His mother is being a complete bitch to my friend (completely blinkered by motherlove) and can't seem to grasp why my friend needed to borrow on the card. The mother is treating my friend like a very naughty schoolgirl.

I know my friend is terrified of the future and having to go it alone with her DD but surely that's got to be better than living her current life. I've told her that she needs to start excluding him in what she does. For example, she asked him what he'd like to do this weekend (ie. with her and DD) and he just said that whatever it was it mustn't cost anything as they need every penny. I said that she shouldn't plan stuff with him, just take DD to the park or wherever on their own. They aren't a family unit any more. The sooner she starts doing that the better as the P seriously thinks they are staying together.

And after all the upset and admissions etc etc, you know what the P said yesterday? "Right, we must get that savings account balance back up to what is should be"!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's clearly learnt NOTHING. I'm getting cross just typing this!!

Oh and as part of the economy drive, he refused to let my friend use the car to go and visit her DM and made her get the bus!! Fare was £4.20!! Knob

My friend has a follow up meeting with WA this week so I'm hoping this might spur her into doing something. My advice (which I appreciate is easier said than done) is to say to the P: "We need to discuss what will be happening with the house and everything. This relationship cannot be saved - it will be better for everyone that we part". At least there's no ambiguity in that statement!!

Obviously it would take hours to type out everything that's happened just prior to The Admission (?) and since but I hope I've given the gist of it!

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