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Is this a red flag, or am I overreacting.

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signsandportents · 25/05/2012 13:55

NC for anonymity.

I need some perspective on a situation with DH. I am 30 weeks pg, and we have had some difficulties lately, I found out he had been cheating. But we went to Relate and we sorted things out and things were OK.

He has been fairly lovely to me, although he still hasn't been helping me around the house as much as I need him to. We are in the middle of moving house, but he isn't doing his half of the everyday chores, let alone the big packing stuff. He has done a but, but only after constant reminders, things are moving very slowly, and he still spends a lot of time playing computer games. Often he will say he is having a quick 10 minute game, before he helps me out, but it will run away with him for a couple of hours and nothing gets done.

Last night I decided to discuss this with him. I explained that I was feeling exhausted and hopeless, I am trying to look after a toddler all day, whilst packing, cooking, cleaning and doing laundry. I don't really get any down time, he has been trying to help by taking the toddler to bed, but that just opens up time for me to pack, the only time I really rest is when DS falls asleep on my lap and I can't move!

I explained I desperately need his help, we need to move in a couple of weeks and we are nowhere near done. Last week I made him a list of all the tasks he could help me with, he discarded it for a couple of days, then spent a morning doing some stuff, then gave up. He had a week off last week "to help", he did about a day's worth of tasks.

I tried to be non confrontational and just explain what I needed and why I felt I wasn't getting it, what I needed him to do. He started getting really defensive and argumentative and it escalated. When I mentioned the computer gaming he turned around, took the disc out of the console and threw it away across the room. Then he picked up one of DS' toys, looked me in the eye and crushed it in his fist.

I completely freaked, I have been in a (psychologically) abusive relationship before and I found this behaviour really threatening. DH is over 6 foot and nearly 20 stone. I told him to get out, he didn't. I told him I couldn't deal with him behaving like that, what if the next thing he decided to break was me? He told me I was overreacting, he broke that to find an outlet that meant he didn't lose it with me. I don't think this is an acceptable way to manage his anger at all.

He talked me down and I ended up feeling really silly, and like I was overreacting. I think I even apologised for losing my rag with him.

Looking at it today with a clear head (and him not around) I am less convinced. This isn't the first time he has taken his frustration out on an inanimate object. He knows I don't like it, my ex used to shout at inanimate objects and told me I couldn't have a problem with it as he wasn't shouting at me, I found it very scary though, I had a nervous breakdown. DH knows this, he was with me when I was recovering.

He has also previously left the room and hurt himself to make a point. It's not SI, I have a history of self-harm so I know the deal, it's an angry thing, taking it out on himself rather than me.

I'm not sure how to deal with this, I am starting to feel like I can't disagree with him for fear of an outburst, I think he needs to go into some kind of anger management thing at least, I'm still not convinced if he is really losing control, or if he is doing it deliberately to scare me into shutting up.

He hasn't laid a finger on me, he says he never would and I don't really expect him to, but if he really is losing control then what's to stop him? If he could walk out rather than lash out, then why didn't he do that before trashing our child's toy?

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nickelbarapasaurus · 25/05/2012 13:57

you weren't overreacting :(

lowercase · 25/05/2012 14:01

massive flag.

beyond flag, this is threatening behaviour.

taking dc to bed so you can keep working?
should be the other way round surely?

he sounds like a big bully.

seek help.

signsandportents · 25/05/2012 14:03

He also takes DS to bed because he doesn't go down well for me, he clambers all over me and kicks me in the belly, so we decided he should do it as I can't physically manage him right now.

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lowercase · 25/05/2012 14:08

could he put him down, then do his share?

that aside, the rest of it sounds hellish.

i think you need to get out tbh.

DowagersHump · 25/05/2012 14:08

It sounds like you're the only adult in the relationship when it comes to the move. Why is he 'helping' you with stuff, why is it you that needs stuff done - you both need to be taking responsibility for the move.

Being aggressive and crushing your kid's toy is a massive red flag :(

leguminous · 25/05/2012 14:10

Huge red flag. Totally fucked up. Sorry, that might not be what you want to hear, but you were not overreacting. :(

Pancakeflipper · 25/05/2012 14:12

There's not just 1 red flag here.

Was he almost cool and controlled in breaking any of the items? Kind of a threatening "look at me, I am strong, beware."

(I am not one to say "leave the bastard right now" but I felt uneasy reading that. It does not sound like a positive relationship in the little snapshot you have given).

MooncupGoddess · 25/05/2012 14:14

The fact that you caught him cheating (but he presumably talked you out of ending the relationship?) is extremely pertinent here. Far too many red flags to ignore.

signsandportents · 25/05/2012 14:14

He was shaking with anger Pancake, not exactly cool no.

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nickelbarapasaurus · 25/05/2012 14:16

even that's bad - why would he be shaking with anger because you've had to confront him about not pulling his weight?

lowercase · 25/05/2012 14:17

you are defending him.

shaking or not shaking, unacceptable red flag.

signsandportents · 25/05/2012 14:21

I'm not defending him, I don't think he should have been that angry. Like I said, even if I had been screeching personal insults at him, he could have left the room.

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Pancakeflipper · 25/05/2012 14:22

Signsandportents - I don't either reaction cool or fuming is good.

Are you able in your relationship to have calmish discussions over issues like housework etc that get somewhere positive and each person gets their view point across without it being an argument? Or is it always a horrible experience?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 25/05/2012 14:24

He cheats on you, ignores you, doesn't take you seriously when you ask for help and then deliberately scares you as an encore? I'm sorry but you haven't 'sorted things out' at all. He's got away with his bad behaviour once so he thinks he can do as he pleases. There are more red flags here than a Moscow May Day Parade.

cestlavielife · 25/05/2012 14:25

if he wanted just an oulet he would have gone ouside - this was theatening.
not good.

employ packers to move you. will cost ££ but worth it - they will come day early and go thru room to room packing everything for you.

or pay local students/teens some money to help you pack stuff into boxes. dotn worry about sorting - just get it packed. is ridiculous to do it all yourself at 30 weeks.

but really you need to think long and hard about remiaing with someone like this when you will be even more vulnerable with new baby... can you go and stay with your parents or somebody ?

waht would happen if you left now and left him to move house ?

Sallyingforth · 25/05/2012 14:25

He talked me down and I ended up feeling really silly, and like I was overreacting. I think I even apologised for losing my rag with him.

Classic controlling behaviour.

He's a bully

  • a lazy bully
  • lazy, unfaithful bully

I know what I'd do, but it's a big step to take.

MacaroniPie · 25/05/2012 14:26

He cheats on you, is bone idle, plays computer games rather than act like agrown up man and help his heavil pregnant partner pack for a housemove, and now he is breaking things and being verballyabusive? The red flags have been and gone.

He sounds like a vile man-child.

signsandportents · 25/05/2012 14:26

Rarely. Sometimes I ask him to do stuff, and he will, but then he is OK for a day, then forgets and it all lapses. Often I ask him and he makes grand promises, then doesn't follow through. Last night I was pointing out that the promises hadn't followed through, I wasn't going to be fobbed off with him doing a pile of washing up and thinking that was it, and that was when he got annoyed.

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GoPoldark · 25/05/2012 14:28

Mouth agape.

No advice actually possible except to get this vile, cheating, bullying, aggressive, abusive prick out of your life.

I was having difficulty getting past the idea of a bloke who cheats being back in his comfort zone -i.e. treating you like shit again - approximately three seconds after Relate is done and dusted.

But that was before the domestic violence bit. Oh yes, make sure you call it what it is.

Do you actualy want to carry on being in a relationship with this shitbag? If so, why?

signsandportents · 25/05/2012 14:32

I can't really get packers in, everything is really disorganised, I am throwing out as much as I am packing, have to, the new house is smaller. A lot of it is my stuff, as this was my place before he moved in, but when I made the list I did find loads of things he could help with, like dismantling furniture, sorting the shed, sorting his own clothes and paperwork.
If I left him to it nothing would get done. When I go away to visit family, he just goes out and plays games and tells me he was feeling demotivated because he missed me. I have no local family, my mum is 5 hours away.

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nickelbarapasaurus · 25/05/2012 14:35

where are you moving to?
could you postpone the move and move him out?

cestlavielife · 25/05/2012 14:35

why are you moving to a smaller house ?

Lueji · 25/05/2012 14:35

Huge red flag.

Apart from the cheating, who destroys a child's toy to scare a mum???? Shock

And not even privately, as one might do as an escape to anger, but looking you in the eye.
That was a threat.

You need to be very clear to yourself and to him what will be a tipping point and carry it through.

lowercase · 25/05/2012 14:36

oh dear.

is he freeloading then?

signsandportents · 25/05/2012 14:37

GoPoldark. Because I love him, he isn't always like this, we get on like best friends most of the time. He supported me through one of the worst periods of my life. We are supposed to be starting a new life together, and I really want the things we planned together. He is a lovely father and DS adores him. He is really supportive of me in terms of personal development, career etc. I just gave up my main job to have a baby and become self-employed. I'm not exactly without my flaws either, and he forgives me for that.

None of this is meant to excuse him, it's just what is in the other column.

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