Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Now I'm really confused - help!

103 replies

DadIsSad · 03/05/2012 00:30

I'm in a sexless marriage (all but - have had sex twice in the last 6+ years). We've been going to counselling, and I thought it was going well with much more intimacy, until the last session, where when DW was asked what she wanted from the relationship and couldn't really think of anything - except maybe to be left alone to read her book. Hasn't directly said anything about whether she fancies me (and I've not dared ask - a lot of my problem is putting off hearing bad news like this), but in her case I'm fairly sure her sex drive is minimal, as I don't believe she has ever masturbated. I'm not sure what good the counselling is doing any more, as DW seems to think it's just me who needs to change, when in fact whatever I do (and I've done a lot), there's always something else which I need to do before she'll want to have sex with me... were it not that our counsellor was busy saying to DW lots of things that I dare not about how our relationship won't survive without a sex life. I was actually quite surprised how forceful the reaction was to a suggestion from DW that the kids always came first (counsellor suggested that wasn't the case as kids also need their parents to have a good relationship, and sometimes that has to be the priority).

Though here's where it gets confusing and I turn everything I've said above on its head. We left the counselling not on that good terms - me upset as DW had given the impression she really wasn't interested in our relationship, I'd upset her by pointing out several times that it really did just come back to her not being interested in sex. A bit later in the day we talked a bit about the session, and she offered that actually she had been thinking about having sex with me, and would be interested if I'd agree to stop if struggling to climax (as happened last time we tried last year) when she stopped enjoying it. Not tonight, but sometime.

So fast forward several days in which I've been trying to reconcile what she said in counselling and afterwards. No signs appearing that it was any more likely to be tonight than any other night in the last 6 years. I'm being treated for depression, and it got to the point I was feeling really down about this (the drugs don't seem to help all that much) which I was sure must be apparent as I was being generally grumpy, so I confronted her last night with my confusion. We had a long conversation/argument which ended in her agreeing that we'd have sex some time in the next week (on same condition as before - which I happily agreed to, as I pointed out I don't enjoy that either)! Hadn't really got over the argument when we went to bed (in a way I feel I should have been really grateful and loving for such a commitment, but she still seemed upset and my moods just don't work like that). Today I've still mostly been down, and things are frosty - less intimacy than for weeks - so I'm not quite sure how sex is going to magically happen.

I'm also still confused - if she doesn't want to have sex with me, is she just going along with it to keep me happy? Did what the counsellor said finally sink in? I suppose it's a start, but have to wonder whether it's actually little better than going to a prostitute. Just can't see it being all that great if it happens, and I also have performance anxiety - it's not like if it doesn't work that well it doesn't matter as we'll just try again in a few days. I feel like I should be a lot happier than I am and not looking a gift horse in the mouth - is it just my depression stopping me from seeing straight?

Anybody help with my confusion and explain what's going on?

OP posts:
carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 18:30

Just to clarify my affair happened before his disability. He stopped having sex with me ten years before he became disabled. I think as a society we have to face the fact that some people just dont like sex. Asexuality is a valid sexuality. Its just extremely soul destroying when you find yourself married to one because they didnt say anything to begin with. Even asexuals will make some effort in the sex department in the early stages of a relationship.

carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 18:35

newby he doesnt want to. Making love just doesnt interest him. in ANY WAY AT ALL. And its been 16 years. Am i really being expected to keep the fires burning for that long by myself. He stopped brushing his teeth a few years back and they have all fallen out one by one. We dont hug let alone kiss. Its been SIXTEEN years. He stopped sleeping with me when i was 23. I dont see him in that way anymore and i dont think i should be expected to after all this time.

newby2 · 06/05/2012 18:36

Gosh. That's like false advertising. You'd take exchange something which gives you a false impression and doesn't meet your needs. He's a lucky man, even if he is a very lovely person.

carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 18:37

Sometimes i do think "What the fuck am i doing" though.

carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 18:40

Dadissad. I am really sorry to have hijacked your thread. I didnt mean to. Its just that once i start i sometimes cant stop.

SerendipitousHarlot · 06/05/2012 19:06

Jesus christ carer Sad

midwife99 · 06/05/2012 19:25

Oh carer. I think you need a lover. Sad

newby2 · 06/05/2012 19:25

Big time- Carer I'd be writing my own thread if I were you. You have a lot in common with Dadissad and your advice to him was not to put up with it.

carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 21:15

Im sorry if i got a bit ranty. Thanks for replying youve all been so nice. I have an old thread on here somewhere from last August when i first joined. The reason i gave Dadissad the advice i did is because people get older and sometimes get ill and if this happens with his wife he could find himself in this position. Im sorry if i sounded like i was having a go at anyone. It was not my intention.
And a lover would be wonderful. Maybe when ive lost a bit more weight. (ive lost a stone and a half since the end of Feb) Still i can dream!

DadIsSad · 06/05/2012 21:18

Lots more I want to talk about, but just for now I wanted to tell carernotasaint not to worry about hikacking this thread. Please feel free to carry on if it helps you.

OP posts:
carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 21:18

Another side effect of no sex is whenever i have a smear test it is REALLY painful.

carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 21:21

Thanks Dadissad.And same goes for you. Ive pretty much told the whole thing on here now. I hope talking on here is helping you too.

midwife99 · 06/05/2012 21:21

Rampant rabbit in the meantime Carer? Although things are finally improving my end I still rely on it quite a bit. Blush

midwife99 · 06/05/2012 21:22

Dadissad - whenever you want to talk we're here. Smile

carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 21:25

midwife maybe i will go to the local adult store and treat myself. Wont be quite the same but will do for now.

midwife99 · 06/05/2012 21:28

It is a must! I can recommend the thruster - Dadissad - sorry! Grin

carernotasaint · 06/05/2012 22:11

Duly noted midwife

friendlyanimal · 07/05/2012 07:36

Isn't it sad that there are nice guys out there who want mutually enjoyable and fulfilling sex and there are desperate ladies either married to low functioning DHS or alone. I wish you luck, DadIsSad, I really do. She doesn't deserve you!

littlelife · 07/05/2012 08:02

Carer Sad I hope you can find some resolve x

Dadissad, your wife is lucky to have you being so willing to understand and break through whatever the problem is, but it seems that she is ignoring your needs and wishes, doesn't she consider how this affects you and your life together?
I wish you luck with it, would she be open to you finding sex elsewhere?
Anyway you sound like one of the good guys I hope some kind of solution happens for you.

garlicbutty · 07/05/2012 09:16

The business of 'finding sex elsewhere' sounds good in theory. But how to do it? If you regularly use another person for sex, paid or free, you're going to end up feeling pretty crap about yourself and the emotional side of things will be all fucked up. If you manage to find a steady partner who's up for a partial relationship - not the easiest thing in the world! - the emotional imbalance will cause problems over time and, again, you're going to feel crap. If you find someone compatible and fall in love, the wife's unlikely to be happy about it.

I don't think you can commodify sex without causing harm.

littlelife · 07/05/2012 09:25

Good point garlic, you're probably right, too much of a simplistic answer to a complicated situation.
It must be so difficult to have someone you love but with whom the trade-off is that you simply suppress your natural tendency towards sex, for me that wouldn't work, I'd have to end it but I'm part of the life's too short brigade.

midwife99 · 07/05/2012 09:35

I agree garlic - it sounds easy but if you love the person you are with it's THEM you want not someone else. If you embark on an affair your relationship with probably end anyway for the reasons given. The bottom line is the sexless marriage must be dealt with one way or another for everyone's sake. Dadissad - would you end the marriage if DW won't change or would you have a friend with benefits & stay?

DadIsSad · 07/05/2012 23:45

I thought I'd better report back, but I think for now this is likely to be my last post on here. I kind of feel like discussing some of the points raised, as there are still important issues which need working on, but actually right now it's likely to do more harm than good to my mental state. I'd also really quite enjoy going into the detail of how it worked out, but probably best not. Because right now I'm still basking in the happy glow of last night - as much as you lot might think I'm really nice (thanks, but you don't actually know me, and I've not mentioned all my bad points!) I'm still a bloke with quite simple needs. First time in 6 months. First time without me having problems for almost 4 years. From conversations last night and today I'm reasonably confident we won't have to wait all that long for the next time, even if it might not be quite as soon as I'd like.

Oh, and for all those concerned about such things, I'm happy to report that DW went to the loo straight after.

Good luck to everybody else in a similar situation, and fingers crossed - I'm sure we've still got a long way to go yet, but this is certainly a big step forwards. Thanks to everybody for the help - it's all been really useful, and I don't think we'd have got this far without the advice from here.

OP posts:
garlicbutty · 07/05/2012 23:49

Wha-haaay! Grin Well done, SadDad and Mrs! I really hope this marks the start of more good feelings for both of you.

Hope we don't see you back here ... but you know where we are. All the best, and thank you for updating.

carernotasaint · 07/05/2012 23:56

Dadissad thats wonderful. Im so happy for you. Thanks for coming back on here and good luck for the future.