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Relationship with a married man?

87 replies

Scowlett · 20/04/2012 22:25

...it's a bit weird as it isn't anything, but it is.

I didn't think he would be capable of anything in that way, I thought he was non-threatening, so hoped he would be a good mentor as he was such a good family man so started deferring questions to him.
I was really shocked when someone he works with said he gets excited about me - not a shit stirrer, he was trying to warn me. So I backed off from then but because I am sometimes sexually interested in this man I do find it difficult. He did once almost kiss me in work and I backed off so obviously didn't happen. It's not an EA, we certainly don't like each other in that way. I really don't understand this.

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noinspiration · 21/04/2012 11:42

Oh god, not another mid life crisis bloke going after the sweet vulnerable girl in the office. if I had a pound for every time that happened....

This isn't about you, it's about his ego, and how he thinks he could have you if he wanted. If it wasn't you it would be someone else. Just look at him as pathetic, and keep well away.

Abitwobblynow · 21/04/2012 11:48

Linda Macdonald, an expert on affairs [affairs are catastrophic for all concerned - funny how that is the consistent message of all these counsellors!] says:

Research has shown that the more ?forbidden? the relationship, the more intense the effect these hormones have on the brain. When you are engaged in a web of secrecy, intrigue, stolen moments and breaking-all-the-rules ? these barriers fan your emotions to a peak not possible in normal, everyday life with a spouse. What you are experiencing is the result of stolen goods. It is simply not realistic to compare a secret, outside romance with a legal, seasoned marriage.

Stolen goods, Scowlett. Is that what you want to be????? A person stolen from, and a stealer from others? I cannot begin to tell you how devastating adultery is for the family concerned. My children had their innocence and their children stolen. Forever.
How my husband and his little bestfriendfuckbuddy are still alive for what their selfishness have done to my children, I don't know. H because he suffers. Every single day of his life. It's a hell of a way to grow up, but he brought it on himself.

Abitwobblynow · 21/04/2012 11:50

childhood even.
That slip came in, because Macdonald goes on to say that it cascades down the generations. A full 90% of people who cheat, (Emily Brown research, backed up by her observations) have had a parent who cheats. That running away from problems is a very powerful model.

Shoot.

LadyMud · 21/04/2012 12:01

Are we perhaps using the word "Relationship" in two different ways?

To me (and I think to the OP) it still means the INTERACTION with another person, whereas it's evolved to mean purely a sexual relationship. Although we all know what "in a relationship" means, don't we?

Scowlett · 21/04/2012 12:24

Sorry to the people I've upset. I didn't mean to. And sorry for being unclear, it's because it's so muddled in my head. I am starting counselling soon so am really hoping this will help.

This is a public forum visible to all and it's easy to slate people. Lady yes I did mean relationship in that way, just an interaction.

I know he's being a bit weird but I don't understand why he's doing it - this has been going on for several months however it has mainly fizzled out now. I'm really not a horrible person, if I were only concerned with my own gratification I would have acted on it.

Abitwobbly, really sorry to hear about what happened, you are worth more than that. At the same time death is the final fullstop, be thankful for what you have now. Anyway take care people.

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Flightty · 21/04/2012 12:24

Not relevant directly to the OP but yes an affair is kind of more intense, not because it's 'naughty' (I never understood that) but because you're both feeling as though you're somehow being torn, you're unhappy, and when you're 'suffering' something together that is a very powerful bonding instrument.

It's because it involves pain. Having conflicting feelings, wanting very much to be with someone but being 'denied' that because of your prior loyalties is a painful experience, and to see your married lover in pain through this makes you want to take it away, to make it better, to soothe them.

And you will have your own pain, from being unable to access them in the way that you desire.

The shared suffering is something that can draw you together even more strongly. What it conveniently sidesteps is the fact that each of you has an actual choice, about whether you are together or not. Believing a man stays with his family due to loyalty alone is a big mistake. As is being with a man who sees his family as his prison wardens. It's a victim mentality. It often goes alongside other things such as alcoholism, anything that he can blame some other factor for, rather than taking it onto himself.

He probably does not realise he is doing this. and it is easier to pretendthat he is right, and he has no choice and needs you to take away his pain once in a while.

It doesn't mean you aren't in love with him; it just means he loves himself more than he loves you.

Scowlett · 21/04/2012 12:35

Flightty, that makes sense, thank you. It's really nice of you to take the time to comment on my Friday night rant.

I don't think he's a bad man, maybe he wanted to escape the confines of married life and got carried away (management are a little too laddish and I think it got misinterpreted).

Now where am I going to find my mentor, godammit??? I will definitely be more cagey from now on! I like my work, I wanted to feel happy and get back to normal after losing the one I loved more than anyone else.

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LeBOF · 21/04/2012 16:13

Why do you need a mentor? Can't you just get on with some work as per the job description? I don't understand what you mean.

PillarBoxRedRoses · 21/04/2012 16:32

That very much depends on the job you do. I have and need one. Picked a female - suggest you do the same OP

Abitwobblynow · 21/04/2012 16:55

flighty yes that is the fantasy of 'forbidden love' (see Frank Pittman).

From Romeo and Juliet to Titanic it is deep powerful delusionary bull.

In the cold light of day the tragic lovers find eachother just as annoying as their real life partners.

Flightty · 21/04/2012 18:34

Oh I thought I had figured that out before anyone else Grin

Seriously I could never work out what it was before. Now I realise it's the sadness, the drama of separation and reunity...but it's a game.

I find love/desire can be inexplicably fuelled by pathos. Whether it's legitimate love or not. If your lover is sad or unhappy for any reason you can't leave them and walk away. You just can't. But if they're with someone else, you have to remember it's the spouse that they should be turning to, not you. It's not your place to be consoling them, holding them or making love with them.

If they want you to fill this role yet stay with their spouse, you are just being used in their little drama.

OP - he sounds a bit controlling for my liking anyway. Raising his voice and being possessive about you - wtf? What gives him the right?

Can you find someone else for your mentor.

springydaffs · 21/04/2012 19:30

ah, I hope it isn't too long before you realise that it isn't true that 'he isn't really a bad man'. I'm afraid he is.

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