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Too many red flags?

65 replies

KarmaK · 10/03/2012 16:51

Several weeks ago I met a man at a work-related party. He is in his 50s. I am 15 years younger. He introduced himself to me, we chatted and he gave me his business card. I emailed him and we arranged to meet for a drink. We met for a drink and got along very well. We had a second date which went well although I did notice at that point that he seems very unsure of himself.

We had a third date the other day. At this point a few things started to worry me slightly. Firstly, he had mentioned two friends of his, both of whom work in my same industry. He had said, "my friend XX is directing that movie." But by chance a friend of mine told me that in fact her own boyfriend is directing said movie. My date then backtracked and also admitted that the man he mentioned is not his friend after all. On our first date he had also talked at some length about his friend who is a writer. He talked about the books she'd written and he told me very funny anecdotes about this friend's experiences as a writer and about her love life. On our third date he started to repeat his stories about this writer friend but then he promptly admitted that actually he does not know her at all and has never met her. He said that he knows the woman's boyfriend's friend and that's where he got all the anecdotes about her from.

At this stage he also talked a little about his teenage daughter from a previous relationship. He did not have a good word to say about his daughter's mother and said she seems mentally ill and he talked about how his ex had prevented him from seeing his daughter for years and years. He also was very critical of his ex's new husband. Very disparaging indeed, in fact. He says that his daughter, who is in her late teens, is actually now coming to live with him in just a few months time.

On top of that he has a teenage daughter and on the 3rd date I asked him whether his daughter's mother is his ex-wife. He then began slagging his mother's daughter off to the point where I became speechless. He said she's probably mentally ill, that she has treated him horribly and he said he refuses to call her by her name but instead refers to her as "the mother". He also said, with a lot of pride in his voice, that his daughter refers to her mother not as mummy but as "THAT WOMAN." He really seemed to get a lot of pleasure from this.

Overall he also seems very hesitant. Rather than actually initiating dates he will drop heavy hints. We have tentatively arranged a fourth date, but I'm having second thoughts.

What do you think?

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HoudiniHissy · 10/03/2012 16:53

Your instinct is telling you ALL that you need to know.

I'd bin him.

Pancakeflipper · 10/03/2012 16:53

I'd not. I'd wash my hair instead.

He's not sounding like a lot of fun.

RandomMess · 10/03/2012 16:53

Run for the hills!

Pandygirl · 10/03/2012 16:54

Run like the wind.

KarmaK · 10/03/2012 17:00

Ugh, he's just called (I missed his call). He wants to meet up tomorrow. But I am very wary of seeing him again.

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emsyj · 10/03/2012 17:00

Crikey, after the third date you should have had 3 lovely nights out enjoying yourself and having lighthearted conversation - you shouldn't be wrecking your head about whether to see the other person again and analysing whether they might be a nob. It appears you have confused dating with some sort of endurance exercise!

Listening to the bitter rantings of a man who is clearly still very angry with his ex doesn't sound like my idea of a good time, so I wouldn't be seeing him again. As for calling her 'the mother' etc - it is not healthy to be filled with that much hatred. He doesn't sound like much of a catch to me.

calmafterthestorm · 10/03/2012 17:01

awful Shock
but you know that really
get rid

KarmaK · 10/03/2012 17:20

True Emysj, I felt slightly as if he was using me as a therapist.

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lazarusb · 10/03/2012 17:28

Run....

KarmaK · 10/03/2012 17:31

I think I'll deal with it by simply not returning his call? And not responding to any subsequent calls or emails

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izzyizin · 10/03/2012 17:34

Second thoughts? It should only take one thought to make you dump this sociallly and mentally inadequate twat.

izzyizin · 10/03/2012 17:36

If you ignore this twat's calls, I suspect that he'll simply increase the number of them.

Tell him you're emigrating tomorrow not interested in pursuing a relationship with him and wish him all the best for the future.

wannaBe · 10/03/2012 17:39

it always baffles me as to why people come here for advice after a second or third (or even first!) date. Surely if you are having doubts so soon on you know really? I think it's sad that you need to seek validation for your doubts.

RabidEchidna · 10/03/2012 17:41

Run, he is a nutter

emsyj · 10/03/2012 17:41

Yes I would say you should tell him that it was nice to meet him but you are not interested in pursuing the relationship any further. Otherwise you'll be avoiding his calls for weeks, which is a drag. It takes some guts to say it though, but worth the short term pain to not be cringing every time the phone rings.

KarmaK · 10/03/2012 17:43

WannaBe - that's a tiny bit judgmental of you to say that. Some of us (me, certainly) have had backgrounds that make it that little bit harder for us to act on our doubts as soon as we should. The responses I've received from women here today have truly helped me go from "MAYBE I should stop seeing him" to "OF COURSE I will stop seeing him."

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Floggingmolly · 10/03/2012 17:49

You need to ask?

Nyac · 10/03/2012 17:53

Slagging off the ex is all you need to know.

Don't plan date number 4.

tallwivglasses · 10/03/2012 17:56

Yes, OP needed to ask. Okay?

Sprint!

izzyizin · 10/03/2012 17:57

Whatever background you've had, honey, as soon as he started slagging off the mother of his child you should have made your excuses and left him high and dry.

KarmaK · 10/03/2012 18:02

It seems to take me a little time to realize a man's a twat. What I mean is that the date was on Thursday and at the time I had a very negative gut reaction to him and his comments. But it wasn't really until today or yesterday that I realized I really don't want to see him anymore. Judging by some of the responses on here, many of you would have decided instantly that he was history.

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mrscynical · 10/03/2012 18:05

Oh God,

After my divorce I had about four of these type of dates - recently separated or divorced men moaning on and on over dinner about their horrible, vile, mad, monster exes.

By the fourth guy I actually asked the guy for his exes phone number so I could call her and congratulate that she actually got rid of such a boring loser.

I don't date any man now unless divorce is absolute history and he is ok about the ex.

UnhappyLizzie · 10/03/2012 18:06

Run for the hills. Far too many red flags...

Slags off his ex

Takes pleasure that his daughter has a dysfunctional relationship with her mum

Isn't positive enough to make clear he likes you, drops hints instead

Is 15 years older than you.

You can do way better than this.

UnhappyLizzie · 10/03/2012 18:08

Oh, and he's a bullshitter as well

KarmaK · 10/03/2012 18:08

LOL Mrs Cynical

Thanks, UnhappyLizzie

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