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Too many red flags?

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KarmaK · 10/03/2012 16:51

Several weeks ago I met a man at a work-related party. He is in his 50s. I am 15 years younger. He introduced himself to me, we chatted and he gave me his business card. I emailed him and we arranged to meet for a drink. We met for a drink and got along very well. We had a second date which went well although I did notice at that point that he seems very unsure of himself.

We had a third date the other day. At this point a few things started to worry me slightly. Firstly, he had mentioned two friends of his, both of whom work in my same industry. He had said, "my friend XX is directing that movie." But by chance a friend of mine told me that in fact her own boyfriend is directing said movie. My date then backtracked and also admitted that the man he mentioned is not his friend after all. On our first date he had also talked at some length about his friend who is a writer. He talked about the books she'd written and he told me very funny anecdotes about this friend's experiences as a writer and about her love life. On our third date he started to repeat his stories about this writer friend but then he promptly admitted that actually he does not know her at all and has never met her. He said that he knows the woman's boyfriend's friend and that's where he got all the anecdotes about her from.

At this stage he also talked a little about his teenage daughter from a previous relationship. He did not have a good word to say about his daughter's mother and said she seems mentally ill and he talked about how his ex had prevented him from seeing his daughter for years and years. He also was very critical of his ex's new husband. Very disparaging indeed, in fact. He says that his daughter, who is in her late teens, is actually now coming to live with him in just a few months time.

On top of that he has a teenage daughter and on the 3rd date I asked him whether his daughter's mother is his ex-wife. He then began slagging his mother's daughter off to the point where I became speechless. He said she's probably mentally ill, that she has treated him horribly and he said he refuses to call her by her name but instead refers to her as "the mother". He also said, with a lot of pride in his voice, that his daughter refers to her mother not as mummy but as "THAT WOMAN." He really seemed to get a lot of pleasure from this.

Overall he also seems very hesitant. Rather than actually initiating dates he will drop heavy hints. We have tentatively arranged a fourth date, but I'm having second thoughts.

What do you think?

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KarmaK · 12/03/2012 20:54

Thanks Lazarus. The prat has now had the nerve to phone me and text me. His text says:

"Just called to say I'm puzzled I didn't say I know that writer."

Um, yeah, right - that's why you spent close to half an hour talking about a writer you described as "my friend" and sharing increasingly personal anecdotes you claimed she'd shared with you over the years.

What a tool.

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lazarusb · 12/03/2012 21:16

Ignore him. I suspect you have much better things to do than play his stupid games Smile

PooPooInMyToes · 12/03/2012 21:25

It seems to take me a little time to realize a man's a twat.

I have that trouble as well!

PooPooInMyToes · 12/03/2012 21:30

In fact, the root of my self-worth issues come from being sexually abused from early childhood onwards.

Are you me?

KarmaK · 12/03/2012 21:34

Maybe it's quite common for women who were sexually abused when young to have these sorts of issues. Nice to meet you, anyway

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lazarusb · 12/03/2012 21:48

I think it's very common Sad But be proud that you saw it early on Smile

PooPooInMyToes · 12/03/2012 21:49

Yes I think you are right it is quite common. Smile

PooPooInMyToes · 12/03/2012 21:51

God sometimes I really wish I wasn't so fooked up!

JaneB1rkin · 13/03/2012 07:04

That's the problem with giving a reason involving him, iyswim. He will try and claim you're mistaken. That's why the reasons only involving you (I'm taking a break from dating, I don't feel comfortable taking this further, etc) are quite handy as he can't argue with how you feel. Smile
(What) are you going to reply?

PooPooInMyToes · 13/03/2012 08:31

I thought the same, the reason left wiggle room. No matter what you say about it now he will argue it. I think you need something to finish all discussion.

. . . The lying is neither her nor there as i have decided i don't want to see you anymore/don't want to date right now etc.

Or you could go the other way and tell him that the lying plus childishly slagging off his exs turned you right off him. You have to be prepared again for him to come back arguing about that one.

Then he'll probably go on and describe you as mental to all his future dates!

KarmaK · 13/03/2012 10:33

God, what a prick!!!!

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 13/03/2012 11:16

I met a man like this once on a holiday. We were both newly separated and, tbh, I had enough problems of my own without him airing all his woes over the restaurant table. He just finished a long diatribe about how his wife hated him, his kids hated him and the dog hated him, blah, blah, blah and I'm afraid my response was 'I'm not suprised they hate you. You're bloody boring!!!!' Realised that my ex had also liked to dump his neuroses on me. Decided at that point that any future boyfriend would have to be a cheerful, positive sort... never looked back

KarmaK · 18/03/2012 20:02

This individual called me earlier today. He claimed in an extremely aggressive way that he did not say this person was his friend. His manner actually shocked me. He was just so incredibly hostile. One of the things he said was "WHEN PEOPLE SAY THINGS ABOUT ME THAT AREN'T TRUE I DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. GOODBYE."

He sounded full of rage and hatred.

WTF????

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RandomMess · 18/03/2012 20:06

Shock just be glad you didn't waste any further time on him!

hellsbells76 · 18/03/2012 20:08

I'd consider that a bullet well and truly dodged then.

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