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Terrified of leaving. Terrified of staying.

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EvacuationWarden · 29/02/2012 10:48

I've got to the point where I want to leave my dh who I think is being unfair- but I need someone to help me with the final push. I need to grow a pair but I am scared.

Back in September I started a couple of threads like this one that helped me identify that my husband and I had a totally wierd financial set up, which made me so stressed and hemmed in.

And now I have a sneaky feeling he has installed spyware on my iphone (he won't let me use the laptop, so have to use my phone for everything) but can't work out how to check. (using work computer to post this.)

I think he is double bluffing me, I am sort of trying to summon the resolve biding my time before I leave, so playing nicey nicey and carrying on with the pretence but what if he is doing the same? A few things make me think this is what he's doing but I don't know how to find out- can find internet stuff about how to get keyloggers/spyware for iphone 3gs but not how to find it once its on and then remove it. Phone is provided via his 02 account so I cant even change it.

I am paranoid. Jump every time I hear his key in the door, and he's never even touched a hair on my head. Am imagining all sorts of wierd shit.

Can someone help me get level headed please? mY brain is in pieces and I cant think straight. :(

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LilacWaltz · 29/02/2012 11:00

This is a marriage?

Return the iPhone to him, buy your own.... And leave. Dobt play games, just go.

TeeBee · 29/02/2012 11:11

what do you mean by he won't let you use the laptop'? Is he stopping you physically? What would happen if you did?

I'd say you have an instinct for a reason.

dateandwait · 29/02/2012 11:11

Get the heck out of there!! DOn't worry about finding out/spyware...etc etc. It sounds dodgy and damaging.
A cheap phone is £20 odd quid. Take your iphone with you for evidence if you think he will take you to the cleaners. Ring womans aid for advice. This is your mental health!!!It is already making you paranoid! What more of a push do you need? Get out!!

PosiePumblechook · 29/02/2012 11:14

Oh my God....leave.

TooEasilyTempted · 29/02/2012 11:15

I agree with the others, just get out!

But in the meantime, can you take your iphone along to an apple store and ask them to completely wipe everything and reset it. Then change your unlock code on it so he can't get onto it.

Imnotaslimjim · 29/02/2012 11:15

I don't normally post on these threads (not one for the "leave the bastard bandeagon") but this time I'm going to say it. Get out. If you feel something is wrong, it most liely is. Just go, you aren't happy so why wait?

dollymixtures · 29/02/2012 11:18

Sec

PosiePumblechook · 29/02/2012 11:18

Great advice TET.

PostBellumBugsy · 29/02/2012 11:25

EvacuationWarden - why do you think he would install spyware on your phone? Does he think you are having an affair?

dollymixtures · 29/02/2012 11:26

Posting on phone Hmm that was meant to say seconding everyone else. Take any relevant documents (bank statements kids red books etc) and go.

Good idea to get the phone checked at the Apple shop and I also think you should speak to womens aid, there is nothing you can tell them that they haven't heard before and they know how men like your H operate. Trust your instincts.

izzyizin · 29/02/2012 11:37

Visit www.womensaid.org - as the 24/7 national helpline can be oversubscribed, search your nearest office and give them a call during usual working hours.

shineonycd · 29/02/2012 12:20

Dear EW,
I understand cos I'm in a similar situation myself. financially, he has made it clear he DOES NOT trust me, with money and controls the finances with an iron fist... (as if I'd loot the account and just run off! Angry ... but honestly, what it is, in plain-speak, is financial abuse.
( I work, part time like yourself) It is often felt wrongly and unfairly by our partners, husbands etc, that since we work part time, and the men in lives do more hours, they get to hold the purse while the child care is OUR responsibility.. this attitude about money matters is beyond reasonable. TBH it sucks big time. Talk to him, if you feel safe doing so (If he's not given to punching and kicking in door and kitchen cupboards the way my DH does, when we talk about uncomfortable things, issues, etc...)
I know that when there are kids involved, we women tend to put up with a lot of crap- simply because we want things to work out and wish that our kids have a loving, stable home with a mum and dad who love them. I know, its a shitty deal, but remember, YOU are the best judge of your situation so talk to your family- parents, brother/sister or a great friend, who will give you advice, and if needed, back you up and help if you're in dire need... you are a person with the power to decide if you've had enough
I am here today, in an arranged marriage for the sake of my kids and for the simple reason that on most occasions, if I tow his line, he's happy with everything.... My courageous, not strong...yet .
I DO IT and have no shame in admitting that love has got nothing to do with what I feel for my DH at times. When he humiliates me, in front of my little girls (at times) I feel like running away... I just suck in my pride, my self-respect and smile. and I put up with it. I'm waiting for the day i feel like nothing else is salvageable in our relationship...until then, I'll just exist... My own sister is going through something much worse, with her H, but has decided to stay for her two teenage sons...

As for you, you're the best judge, so think of it, and talk to him, but most of all, be safe and look after yourself...and hang in there, for as naive as this sounds (I hardly even know you..) I am there for you, and always believe in yourself too..
Talk to relate in confidence at www.relate.org.uk/find-your-nearest-service/index.html

catherinea1971 · 29/02/2012 12:54

Hi, I wondered if it was you when I read your op.
Seriously if you are feeling like that just go, he could maybe be feeling a shift in how you are with him as you have decided that you really want to leave.
Please call womens aid, get together any important documents and go. Do you have a friend or family member you could stay with for a little while?

dollymixtures · 29/02/2012 13:18

shineoycd your post is awful Sad maybe this is out of line but seriously what is your marriage giving to your kids that makes it worth staying in? Do you want your daughters growing up thinking this is how a marriage should be?

EvacuationWarden · 29/02/2012 13:36

Shineon- thank you, it means something to know that there are others in similar situations wishing you good things. I hope you reach the point where you know what to do. I don?t think dh humiliates me, in the way that yours might, i.e. in front of our children, but I do know that I don?t want them to learn any more lessons from either of us about why it?s sooo important to keep Daddy happy. Like having a mad tidy round before he gets home so he?s not cross/ jumping to his attention when he barks at one of us (normally at them, not me, I do have enough left to tell him he cant speak to me like that and expect a response) as he does a hundred times a day/ being expected to ?get over it? when he?s been horsing around with them which they love initially but it goes a bit far and one of them has decided that they are too frustrated with being tickled now please stop (they lose their patience and might lash out at dh to try and stop him- they are only 7 and 3 he?s about 6ft 2 and well built, I know he?s only ticking them/ teasing them but he cant expect them to not express themselves when they have absolutely no other way of doing so having tried asking nicely, shouting at him blowing a raspberry pushing their feet against him eventually scratching or hitting him or something and crying whatever to get away because they have HAD ENOUGH)

Actually having read that last bit I realise hes basically teaching them that ?whatever you do I am the one who will decide when you?ve had enough. Not you.? He?ll just rationalise that with ?don?t be so ridiculous I am playing with them. We?re boys, we get a bit carried away sometimes.? And I will be accused of being oversensitive and weird.

God that sounds awful :(

My initial post might have been misleading. I don?t really think he would do anything physically violent, in the 17 years we have been together there has only been one small incident where we were both totally drunk out of our silly skulls and had a flaming row, he slapped my face to stop me being so hysterical. Not even hard enough to leave a mark, but the sound it made shocked us both into stopping what we were doing. That was 7 years ago and I don?t feel/have never felt scared of him physically. I really do not believe he would hurt me or either of our children in violence. But the mistrust I have in him because of the phone is making me mistrust everything about him and my brain is working overtime.

I guess what I am struggling with is that after the stuff that happened after my threads in September, when I sort of accepted that I was not rubbish with money, I was not BU to want him to put more into our marriage financially, I should not accept him controlling everything or belittling me or put up with having to walk on eggshells just to keep the peace, I have lost the anger and feeling of indignation that I had back then.. I wish I had taken the bull by the horns and asked him to leave at that point but I missed the opportunity.

I don?t have anyone in real life to talk to about this- not for the hours I would probably need anyway! I need someone to help me decide if I have a right to feel this way, as he is good at persuading me that I don?t and he is making a massive sacrifice in trying to keep me happy.

Little things have changed since September, he has made efforts to not be so controlling but we differ in what we think this is. Eg his moody silences and short, terse responses to things he doesn?t like I see as controlling. He says that the alternative is that he starts a row. To me this is no different. The flip side he raises is that why should he just put up with what he sees as me being unreasonable if I am not doing it? I am going round in circles.

Someone else upthread (cant remember who- so sorry, am stealth posting and so have not got whole thread to hand) asked what made me think he was spying on me. And I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe he's right, I am wierd.

Blimey this is long. Sorry. Just need to get it out somehow.

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EvacuationWarden · 29/02/2012 13:43

Catherine- I don?t have anywhere to go immediately. I am not scared about him physically hurting us so I just need a pair of massive bollocks to miraculously appear on me overnight that will give me the gumption to tell him that he needs to leave. And if he doesn?t I have my eye on a rental place that will do me and my boys (the boys are the dc, not my bollocks ;)) just fine, as well as just enough cash saved to pay a deposit and move in tomorrow.

GrowBags required.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/02/2012 13:48

Not weird, you are being abused by him. He has got you to the low point you are at now; that was his objective the whole time. He does this too because he can.

Would also concur with the advice to forget keyloggers and the like; you need a plan of escape. Womens Aid can and will help you and shineonycd here (her post also chilled me as well. Her sister staying for her sons is a huge mistake will only serve to teach her sons to act just like their abusive dad as adults).

Abuse do not forget can seep down the generations.

Your 7 and 3 year old will grow up to despise him as a father if he is behaving like this now towards them. They will look to you as well to protect them.

You have a choice re H and your children do not. What do you want for your children?. You and your H should not be together under any circumstances.

You are in an abusive marriage. No-one benefits from being in an abusive marriage.

What are you both teaching your children about relationships here?.

There are obstacles to leaving but no obstacle is insurmountable.

He is doing this because he can and because he enjoys seeing you like this.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/02/2012 13:52

EW

He does not have to hit you to hurt you; emotional abuse can take years to recover from.

I would suggest longer term you do the Freedom Programme run by Womens Aid.

You may well be terrified of leaving (he has certainly played a part in making you think like that) but staying within this will only bring your further horrors. And it will affect your children markedly if you were to choose to stay. If you were to remain within this they could go onto accuse you of putting him before them and blame you also for making their childhood rubbish.

What legacy do you want to leave these young people?. Leaving is an option, staying is really not.

catherinea1971 · 29/02/2012 13:57

You really need to go with your gut, you feel that there is something not quite right, you are likely right.
Without being alarmist in anyway don't be too sure that he won't get violent, many emotional abusers eventually get physical and the time when a woman decides she has had enough and is ready to leave is the most dangerous. (A local woman to me was murdered last week by her abusive husband, she was planning on leaving).
Get the number for your local womens aid and call them from work, they will have heard it all before and will be able to advise you best.
Take care of yourself, don't wait for the big bollocks to appear, make them appear in your mind, you can do this you know?

Proudnscary · 29/02/2012 14:02

(You don't have to go to an apple story to get phone wiped - just go into settings, then into general, then into reset, then 'erase all content and settings' (not reset all settings) and it's back to factory settings)

EvacuationWarden · 29/02/2012 14:02

Attilla, I like to think that I am normally a (reasonably) intelligent person, I have a degree, a responsible (but part time) job and ?badly-- manage a household. But I need a bit of spoonfeeding here Blush. Sorry.

Please help me differentiate between what is abuse and what is just ?what marriages are made of?. I am finding it so so hard and I think this is why I haven?t made the leap yet. I don?t know what?s on and what?s not on because until recently I thought everything in our marriage was what everybody else does. But now I?m questioning all and sundry means that I can only see shades of grey and I haven?t made an important decision in so long I am hopelessly out of practice.

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shineonycd · 29/02/2012 14:03

Dear Evac.W,
My DH wants the laptop, so I will go and burn off steam by running outside in trainers he bought me... on friday Smile Dear Evac.Warden and dolly, I will write in again, explaining my situation and why its not all black n white...
Its a different culture, situation and we had an arranged marriage, I hail from India, gave up my career to work in a non-skilled industry the NHSto just get a job which is TOTALLY NOT DH's fault, BTW...
My Family is in India, and I need to watch my own health, my DD1's SEN, behaviour difficulties etc.... and all this does stress me out...
Take care, Evac, and believe in yourself, an(as I do, in God)

foolonthehill · 29/02/2012 14:09

Hi, if you need some help sorting out the normal from the abnormal then there are numerous resources here that may be of help for self-diagnosis (and empowerment) and just keep posting too!!

Lundy's book was particularly helpful to me

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/02/2012 14:10

www.hiddenhurt.co.uk

The above is a good website for you to look at; it has a lot of information on it re the dynamics of abuse and abusers.

foolonthehill · 29/02/2012 14:11

um *for me, I mean Blush