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I don't care and I'm actually starting to resent dh for facilitating her

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MilkMonitor · 18/02/2012 16:54

Pil have just arrived home after a three day visit. Fil texted to say thanks and that mil cried most of the way home, saying how much she misses the gcs and how desperately they love them.

This kind of thing makes me really cross. Why does he need to tell us that? I feel it's part of their emotional blackmail style of life. And I'm beginning to feel that it's going to really encroach on us once fil retires next month.

Mil is only 59, doesn't work, has never worked and actively refuses to pursue any interests. Her response to any suggestions made is, "I'm only interested in the gcs. What else do I need?" Neither sets of gcs live in the same city as pil. Fil doesn't have any hobbies either.

Mil tells me she watches daytime tv and looks at photos of the gcs all day long. Hmm. Oh she might walk her dog. That's all she says she does whilst fil is at work.

Now, there's nothing I can do about that even though I find it a touch creepy if it's actually true. Why would someone able bodied and compos mentis just sit and look at photos all day long? What a waste.

She says she feels she should be able to see her gcs every day and spend time with them and that because we don't live in the same town as her, it's the cause of her depression.

ANYWAY, dh telephones them several times a week and he gives them a blow by blow account of what the gcs have been doing each and every day, what we've bought, what things have cost us and other details. Plus he skypes them every Friday night with the gcs.

I feel like pil are with us all the time, knowing exactly what we are doing, how we are doing it and how much it costs. I feel like dh reports on everything we do.

Frankly, I actually feel stalked even though they live 127 miles away. I hate it. I don't really want anyone knowing exactly what we're doing all the time, how much my new coffee table cost and how many times the dcs farted that morning. Why would anyone want to know that?

I would like dh to stop making these calls so often because I feel it totally facilitates mil's refusal to get her own life and keep busy. She says she's not busy in an accusing way as if it's our fault. Even if she did live near by, there is no way I'd want her around all that often anyway because she would simply centre her life around ours and I do not want to be responsible for her in that way.

I hate that sense of pressure that we feel when dh can't skype one time and fil sends him an email saying how upset mil gets when it's not been possible. I feel like they look to dh to make them happy, they simply can't be bothered to make a life for themselves and they definitely feel indignant that they can't revolve around us. He definitely feels guilt and obligation. I'm of the view that why on earth should he? They are grown ups and responsible for their own happiness.

Grrr. If they did have an active and full life of their own, the irony is I would feel far less irritated because it would all balanced. When fil retires, they are both going to be bored and both are going to start leaning on us simply because they can't be arsed to pursue anything else.

My own parents are equally loving to the gcs but have many hobbies and interests that keep them happy, active and engaged whilst still keeping in very active contact with us.

Why the difference?

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 18/02/2012 17:31

Oh poor you.

I hope they don't have plans to move closer to you once FIL retires.

Your DH is the child of toxic, smothering parents. He can only treat them differently when and if he chooses to. Meanwhile, you might find this book useful for yourself.

sue52 · 18/02/2012 17:51

Your Mother in law's life sounds very small. Having children for her to fixate on allows her to make them the center of her tiny universe. I'd restrict the phone calls and stop the blow by blow account of your lives. What she is doing is not healthy for her and intrusive for you. I'd ignore FIL's emails and guilt tripping ways. Maybe if they stopped obsessing on your lives they'd get one of their own.

SinicalSanta · 18/02/2012 17:53

Is your dh an only child?

Flubba · 18/02/2012 17:53

They sound odd, and a bit like my ILs (although they're not as bad as yours). When my MIL comes here (they live 150 miles away), she's up as soon as the kids are (at stupid o'clock) and are in their faces every single second of the day, and says things like "oh I have to make the most of it because I see them so rarely, I've got to get enough memories to keep me going until the next time" Hmm which is, IMHO, just a bit odd really.

It's hard to do, but I just really let it wash over me. I stay out of the way when DH skypes them (also weekly, and if it doesn't happen, MIL lets me know how upset she is), so I can't hear the inane conversations they're having.

Any chance you can just try and not pay them any attention?

I pointed out to my MIL that it wasn't my fault that her son had moved down to London, and had moved here before we met, as I reckon she thinks it's me keeping him and her beloved GC away from her. Is it possible your MIL thinks the reason he lives away from them is because of you?

RandomMess · 18/02/2012 17:56

What does your dh say about it?

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 18/02/2012 17:56

You might find the tips in reacting to emotional blackmail in this book useful too.

gaunyerseljeannie · 18/02/2012 17:58

I think you should reframe it and think yourself lucky, they are active and able, you don't have to care for them practically and you can ask them to involve themselves more in a positive way with the kids or tell them how much it upsets you to hear how sad they get.
My PIL were b***ds, my own lovely Mum and Dad are very elderly and Mum has dementia.
I have never had the experiences not the support you have, neither have my DC's but the way I feel now I'd climb into your shoes any day.

liverLadyLass · 18/02/2012 18:04

I think there constant desire to be in all your lives full time is too much and suffocating for you, I think maybe your needing to have a long hard talk about boundaries and what is right for your family wether mil gets upset or not, that could be a controlling way of getting her own way? (crying/guilt trips) you shouldn't feel bad because they have no other interests,that your life should revolve around keeping them happy,, you need to be honest but in a nice manner so it doesn't come bk and bite you in the arse.. Your lucky to have one side balanced and maybe encourage there ways to your mil and explain this is what is ok for you.. My mil phones me every morning and ask how the kids are everyday, and after speaking to me she then phones my hubby who's working to ask him the same thing.. And if I ignore her phone call she will then tell my hubby I'm ignoring her calls, but I'm lucky, my DH tells her, ‘well maybe she's busy with the kids mum!!! So maybe instead of your DH not saying anything maybe he should start.. They need to realise your family arnt there to entertain there boredom.. I feel your pain, I open my mouth know tho and kind of throw it bk on there toes but in a clever way so I don't look an arse!! Grin good luck

feedmefeedmenow · 18/02/2012 18:11

What harm is it really doing you by involving them in this small way

cerys74 · 18/02/2012 18:12

I'm afraid I can't offer any suggestions but only sympathy - it sounds rather claustrophobic.

I am dreading something similar to this with my own mother btw. She retired early, lives with my dad overseas (he still works) and has absolutely nothing in her life as far as I can see. I'm pretty sure that when my dad dies (he's older than her and not in best health) she will move to somewhere very near us and make her life all about the GCs.

I've tried and tried to get her to incorporate SOME sort of interest into her life apart from stalking family members on facebook but she simply says "Oh yes, that's a good idea" and then doesn't do anything. Sorry to say it, but the impulse to seek out new hobbies/friends has got to come from your MIL or it'll never happen at all.

If your PIL do move down to be nearer your family, I'd suggest creating a rigid routine of only 1 or 2 visits/trips out/whatever per week at the very start or your MIL could really start to push her luck - pretend that the GC need a great deal of structure in their lives if that might sweeten the pill a bit. I know it sounds a bit mean but that way they get to see GC (and vice versa) and they might be a bit less likely to drive you mad!

Good luck :)

cerys74 · 18/02/2012 18:14

whoops, there was a suggestion after all - note to self, read before posting!!

MilkMonitor · 18/02/2012 18:16

Dh doesn't want to talk about it ever. In fact, he gets angry when I bring it up. Sad

I'm sorry your relatives are or were awful Jeannie, but I very much doubt you would want someone on your case all the time trying to make you feel guilty for nothing. And refusing to do anything else to help themselves and claiming depression because you won't live nearer. That's pressure.

If they are able bodied, then they should get a life. Neither I nor the gcs are responsible for keeping them entertained.

I fear there are murmurings they will move once fil has retired. I will flee in the opposite direction because they will suffocate us. I feel panicked about this.

Dh is not an only child. His sister moved towns recently with her dcs because she couldn't bear the constant unannounced visits any longer.

There is a feeling that I am not actually allowed to maintain boundaries. I often think back to before I was married and how free I felt with nobody guilt tripping me or making me feel like we are being watched all the time. Because that's how it feels when someone knows your every movement and detail in your life.

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MilkMonitor · 18/02/2012 18:17

Feedme, I guess it's called privacy.

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 18/02/2012 18:20

There is a feeling that I am not actually allowed to maintain boundaries.

But you are. Never forget it.

The kind of people who trample over your boundaries are not going to make it easy for you to limit them, though. And that feeling they skillfully employ agains you is the FOG they want you to stay in.

RandomMess · 18/02/2012 18:21

It does sound rather grim.

The irony is if they backed off you'd feel more open about including them!

pepperrabbit · 18/02/2012 18:27

I went through something a little like this 5 years ago when MIL moved back from abroad. She moved to our town "to be near the GCs" when she hadn't even met DS2 because she was too tight to fly over till he was one.
I had to be very strict about visits, absolutely categorically refused to let her have a key, despite constant hints about how useful this would be Hmm.
She will see I'm online (facebook) and then phone, if i don't answer she will call, and call and call until I do. She has the hide of a rhino and is passive/aggressive.
Luckily DH is very supportive. If I've told her not to come round, and then still find her sitting outside the house in her car (oh yes!) I 'll answer the door but not let her in - I've discovered that sometimes actual rudeness is the only way to hold the line. And she'll back off.
Sometimes she wins.
She has slowly got more interests once I made it clear i wasn't going to support her emotional/social life. She now volunteers variously and has done some courses.
She bought me a webcam for my birthday one year so we could Skype. I refused.

NotWell · 18/02/2012 18:32

There's no need to panic. My MIL had the same creep and obsessive thing about the DC and she would sit and sort of moon over my daughter like she was seeing her for the last time ever. Even DD used to get irritated with contanty being stroked and patted.

I drew VERY strong boundries which caused some upset...but she knows she can come and see them around twice a week IF she calls in advance.

MilkMonitor · 18/02/2012 18:34

Pepper, I'm appalled. How can anyone thunk it's ok to behave in that way? It's deranged. If your mil were a man, you'd have called the police for harassment!

I actually think my dh needs to back off from the telephone calls, skype once a week with the dcs and call once a week only. And not to discuss finances or every single detail of our lived with them.

He won't though. He would rather not discuss it at all. In fact, he would rather argue with me about it than effect a change.

I dream of privacy. I've always been a private person and this feels intrusive. If dh and I weren't together, then pil wouldn't know tiny details of my life.

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nectarina · 18/02/2012 18:40

Just wanting to say that I feel for you. There are times when I feel like skype is an open sewer in the living room...

Heswall · 18/02/2012 18:42

I'd use them for childcare personally Grin If she doesn't want hobby's you could have them instead.

Jux · 18/02/2012 18:56

You need a conversation with your dp, and one question he needs to think about very, very hard is why your SIL moved.

He also has to understand that even if he were happy to have them round everyday, whenever they felt like it, you want some privacy and clear boundaries. If you can't make him understand that you're on a hiding to nothing, I'm afraid, because as soon as your FIL retires it'll be the beginning of the end for you.

Flubba · 18/02/2012 18:58

Why is your so DH so happy to let them in to every minutae of your lives? Were your ILs like this with him before you had children?

HansieMom · 18/02/2012 18:58

I think you should get DH to read this because he will never let you say everything you feel as he will get angry and thus cut off the conversation. I would fully expect them to move to your area and camp on your doorstep once he retires. Your DH is acting creepy--why should the parents get to know every single thing?

OriginalJamie · 18/02/2012 19:07

You poor thing. This is not nice - it's intrusive and suffocating, and I'd feel exactly the same as you.

OriginalJamie · 18/02/2012 19:11

I suspect DH gets angry because he has been brainwashed into feeling guilty - his boundaries have long been stomped all over so he doesn't know what's normal.