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advice wanted please from those whose DH has had an affair

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winteragony · 15/02/2012 15:13

I'd like to ask for help and advice from those of you who've been betrayed in the past and come out the other side, one way or the other. I don't want to go into details about my DH's affair and the decision I eventually need to make...what I really want to do is understand myself right now.

It's only been 6 weeks since DH told me about it so I know it's early days, but I just wanted to know if the decision that any of you came to regarding staying with him or kicking him out was one that was there deep down from the beginning, or did it take time to form?

My counsellor tells me to expect my feelings to be like a pendulum and to not make any hasty decisions but to give it plenty of time. I understand that, but I also feel in a kind of limbo at the moment. Also wonder if it might be giving me/him/DCs false hope. My instant reaction, perhaps surprisingly to some, was to work through it...he's full of remorse, desperately sorry and vows to change. He's left his job, severed ties with OW and started counselling himself, so I don't doubt his sincerity to make things work.

However, over the weeks I'm feeling his presence to be oppressive. Because he's not working he's around all the time (I work from home), and I feel such a release when I leave the house to go and do something. Then when I return I actually become nervous of the whole situation, shake and feel sick. Every little thing he does annoys me, silly habits that I previously had put up with. At some of these times I've told him to go away for a time to give me space and I really enjoy the first day or so after that when I feel happier, relieved and confident. But after a couple of days I want to see him again and think that I want to work it out with him so he comes back and the cycle starts again. Maybe if he was gone for good this would stop. The DCs are too upset by these comings and goings though, so he's now around full time to keep things more stable for them. We've been very careful about not arguing in front of them, although the eldest (7) is aware something's not right.

In between these ups and downs I actually feel nothing, just numb, and I find myself resorting to extreme measures to feel something, anything...almost to prove it to myself, or to get him to show his feelings. One snowy night I wandered off with no coat, walking as fast as I could...partly to escape the oppression, partly, I think, to see what he would do...of course he came looking. Another time when I was alone in the house and the DCs were with grandparents, I locked him out and wouldn't answer the phone when he rang. I went on like that for about 20 minutes telling myself if he would actually leave a message on the answerphone I would open the door. Eventually he did just that so I let him in, but I think I wanted to let him show how much he cared and how far he'd go. Also wanted to frighten him, which I succeeded in doing.

Not quite sure why I'm rambling so much, perhaps I hope some of you will have behaved like this and can give me some idea of how I can gain control of myself or when I can know which feeling is the right course of action. How can I go from hatred to indifference to 'maybe we can do it' in a few hours? And how can I block out images of the 2 of them together? Just when I've had an alright day, I watch TV and something will remind me of it all over again, or he'll put his arm around me and I'll only visualise it with her. I've even though of hypnosis! Please help, I'm quite strong usually, but not right now.

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MadAboutHotChoc · 15/02/2012 15:37

Infidelity is one of the most traumatic things one can experience and its very common for the betrayed party to become depressed.

I would really recommend reading Shirley Glass's Not Just Friends as she writes so well about the trauma and the reasons why some people find it particularly hard.

It is early days and recovery is a long and hard road and you H will have to do everything to help you. Is he happy to answer questions and talk about the affair? Is he going to counselling/working on himself to understand the reason why he allowed himself to behave in this way?

winteragony · 15/02/2012 16:02

Yes, he is having counselling and is willing to answer my questions. In fact he's doing most of the talking most of the time, which is so different to how he used to be when it was mainly me who talked and he listened. He's never been good at opening up and bottled things or stuck his head in the sand. That's one of the many reasons it's all come to this I think. Problem is, I accuse him of being 'business-like' in his communication atm...bit unfair really as I know he's trying hard, I just can't find anything to like right now.

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MadAboutHotChoc · 15/02/2012 16:25

Are you doing things for yourself to help your self esteem which will have taken a huge hit - such as visiting interesting places, meeting with friends, developing your own hobbies/interests, treating yourself to beauty treatments etc? I took a lot of time out with friends and on my own away from it all and that helped.

winteragony · 15/02/2012 16:30

I am seeing friends, have confided in a few and that helps. Bit tricky to go away much because of the DCs....DD in particular gets upset if I'm not around.

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MadAboutHotChoc · 15/02/2012 16:43

You do not need to go away for long - even a couple of hours to do something like window shopping or visit a art gallery or whatever floats your boat can make a difference.

I am glad you are getting RL support.

I would also repeat my suggestion re Not Just Friends as I think it will help you understand why you feel like this.

MadAboutHotChoc · 15/02/2012 16:44

(and your H should read it too)

thebody · 15/02/2012 16:53

Can I ask, did he tell u off his own bat or did u find out?

winteragony · 15/02/2012 19:06

Thanks MadAboutHotChoc, I will get a copy of Not Just Friends.

thebody, he told me himself although missed out an essential piece of information initially about the date it first started (when I was pregnant) and how far it had gone that first time.

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maleview70 · 15/02/2012 19:20

I think many women are almost programmed to try again for the sake of keeping the family together. The number of times I read that we need to try again as the kids need their daddy etc....

You are feeling like this because what he did was despicable, especially when you were pregnant. I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to stay with someone who did this to them.

His faults will be noticed more as he is no longer the perfect man you thought he was. He is a completely different person to te one you thought he was.

I have no advice on how to stay together as I split up from my OH when she ha an affair and went on to have a much better life. I remained a good dad despite not living in the same house, became a shared career for my child and we now all get on as friends etc so if you choose not to stay together then it can work out!

MadAboutHotChoc · 15/02/2012 19:39

The fact that you were pregnant when he had his affair will have contributed to your trauma and feelings of numbness etc. No wonder you are struggling Sad

EirikurNoromaour · 15/02/2012 20:00

It is very early days. For me, I knew straight away I would forgive him, due to the context in which it happened. That doesn't mean it has been easy. She is still present in my head every time we have sex and it is tough. I cried to him today because I felt I needed to snoop in his emails and I fucking hate being a paranoid person. I have never been jealous or possessive in relationships before and I don't like it in myself now.
You will feel differently about him now, maybe forever? I don't know. It is only 2 months since I found out too so I can't give any insight on that.

winteragony · 15/02/2012 20:09

EirikurNoromaour, that's what I'm worried about, although sex is the last thing on my mind at the moment, but I can't stop the images in my head.

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EirikurNoromaour · 15/02/2012 20:39

Yep, I get it. Time? I don't know. I still feel an involuntary urge to hiss every time I think about her Blush and thinking of them together sickens me. I don't tend to think of them having sex (too painful to go there I think) but just imagining them spending time together is bad enough.

AsSoonAs · 15/02/2012 22:13

My H had an affair 10 months ago but I can still relate to the things in your post, I initially told him it was the deal breaker for me and he left. We had very little contact, other than for stuff relating to the children and him seeing them mainly because I needed the space to think and I needed to do that without seeing him everyday.
I eventually decided that perhaps it didn't have to be the end of us and we are back together. As other posters have said it is not an easy road. I still look at him and wonder who is the true man I've married, the one who so easily decided to look elsewhere and make me question my sanity when the red flags could no longer be ignored or the one who is again considerate, open and loving.

I did behave like you to get a reaction. I got up one night after getting upset, we had discussed the affair in 1 of our many midnight talks and he'd rolled over to go to sleep after saying how sorry he was and that he loved me. I can remember thinking well that's not enough. I got up, dressed and told him I was going for a walk, it was 2.30am. He was begging me not to go and I just said "F* you, you should of cared sooner" I went and sat in the village bus stop till 4am. Did it to punish him...His annoying habits which I'd so easily ignored prior to his affair became easy targets to lash out at, they gave me reason to be angry. They fueled my hatred for him, they kept me angry and that kept me from feeling the hurt. We talked about this in counseling and I realised that I would do this at times when things were normal - when we had been laughing together or like our old selves. It was out of fear, that he'd think it was over and done with, that I'd forgotten or I'd let him off - it was my way of punishing him, a way of letting him see that his actions had consequences. It was also a way of blocking out that horrid numbness that you mentioned. My counsellor said that anger is a functioning emotion, it enables us to feel something or do something, even if its not the right thing or the thing we want.

6 weeks is still early days (although you feel you've lived a lifetime) for you to decide what you want, I think 3 months is considered the norm for you to even begin to process properly where you see yourselves. Only recently have I begun to think that things are going to be alright and I'm still having bad days although they do get less.
I would agree with Mad about getting the Shirley Glass book, she recommended it to me on a recent thread, thank you and I wish I had got it sooner. It explains so much and helps you see that what you are feeling is totally normal.

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winteragony · 16/02/2012 11:12

Thanks everyone, I am doing OK. I have got the Shirley Glass book and am making my way through it, sometimes on my own, sometimes with him. It's amazing how much of it feels as if I'd written it! And AsSoonAs, I think my behaviour was exactly to provoke feelings of anger when everything seemed too smooth, just as you say it was for you.

Oh dear, really, really can't think of sex though, although lots of online reports of experiences I've read (dear Peggy etc) seem to have been helped by that. I think some intimacy would help, but I wonder if I've now over-analyzed things so that when it comes down to it I'll go into robot-mode :( Maybe half a bottle of wine would help with that!

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fiventhree · 16/02/2012 11:27

I agree about the three months thing. I am three and a half months beyond reveal day, and feeling quite a bit better.

We had midnight conversations, too, and way later, and I eventually decided that we would not discuss after 11.30. It leaves you exhausted the next day, and at the time too conversations which are that late in the day can lose all all rational sense, especially after half a bottle of wine.

winteragony · 16/02/2012 11:45

Hi fiventhree, I've just been reading another thread that you were posting on, think it was started by Trustallgone. Although I've got some RL help with all this, just wanted to say how brilliant it is to be able to come on here anonymously, blurt out everything at any time of the day, and feel that that's OK and that someone will listen. Big thanks everyone.

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fiventhree · 16/02/2012 12:06

It is a shitty thing to happen, isnt it. We always imagine it will not be us, I suppose, but other people.

Great that you are both getting counselling.

All of those feelings you name are completely common- the TV reminding you, the flashbacks and reworking out your past re this new infomation, the imagining what they did, the fear of trusting again, everything.

It takes time. It takes evidence of his real willingness to change. And it takes him being consistent.

Madabout quoted someone, maybe Shirley Glass, talking about how a relationship after an affair is like a broken vase which has been mended- you can still see the crack, but it can be stronger than before.

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winteragony · 16/02/2012 15:40

It is a bit of a pressure point Omgomgomgomg. He was by far the higher earner, my earnings are just the top up. Luckily, his parents are paying the mortgage for the foreseeable future.

He's updated his CV and we've both looked into possible jobs for him, although he's so far held off on actually applying. My mood's not helped by the massive rise in unemployment, while he optimistically thinks he'll get a job quite easily, just wants a month or two off to clear his head. Maybe it's the pills talking.

He wasn't popular with management at the end either...he and OW were both reprimanded for using work equipment to communicate, and of course both were distracted much of the time.

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winteragony · 16/02/2012 16:00

I know what you're saying, it does feel a bit like all this is his fault yet here I am trying to get more work to do (I freelance) so that I can bring in more £.

Thing is, part of the issue before was huge job dissatisfaction: in the company, his role there, perceived inadequacy compared with colleagues, social exclusion, loneliness. All I knew was that he hated work...I asked him about it but he refused to talk about it at home as he said he wanted to forget things once he'd finished for the day. Now of course I know why he wouldn't discuss it.

In his previous job several years ago, he said he felt included and that his work/home life were more entwined...I often went to his work socials, I knew his workmates etc etc, but that never happened in the most recent job. He says that made it easier to distance himself and compartmentalise and why he was able to live a double life with OW.

So I don't want to push him into some other job that will be a mistake...I want him to find something preferably closer to home, without a 1 hour commute, and in which he can regain his pride in what he does for a living. We can manage financially for a good 6 months without any income from him.

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winteragony · 16/02/2012 16:21

Yep, I dumped the ring too...threw it at him the night he told me. The eczema on my finger seems to be healing nicely without it there! Also smashed a couple of photos of us and taken all the others down. :o

I think it is a form of PTSD isn't it...the fear it brings out in you, the physical sickness, hysteria, reliving, panic attacks. Are you on meds Omg? Came close to taking his prescribed prozac yesterday but stopped myself...also it seems they're more useful for depression, OCD and eating disorder whereas I think I have 'anxiety' Confused

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