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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families.

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singingprincess · 28/01/2012 13:25

There is a word document with all the relevant links which I will try and find, but in the meantime...Post away.

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lesley33 · 07/04/2012 10:10

No problem. And loee - if we still didn't love our parents and want them to love us, this stuff wouldn't matter as much to us. If a colleague treated you like that it would make you angry, but it wouldn't hurt in the same way.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 07/04/2012 10:17

maristella that is a horrible situation to be in.

Can you explore with DS why he wants to hang on to his relationship with his uncle, even though he sees how damaging uncle's behaviour is? Ask him plenty of open-ended questions to see if he can work out for himself that he has placed uncle in a godlike replacement-father position, but that in fact no one is a god, and he can use plenty of men as male role models in bits and pieces, not just one man wholesale.

What you describe reminds me of what went on in my family a generation ago: my father had a witch for a mother and an absent father. So he chose his (far older) BIL as his father-replacement figure... BIL was just as much of a narc as his mother. And so the cycle continued.

So I think you really should explore these issues with your DS, but let him take the lead on where the conversation goes: ask him questions, let him listen to his own replies and see what he can work out from them.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 07/04/2012 10:20

also, maristella, if the deal your mother and brother are striking with DS is "do as we want or you lose our love", can you help him see that that is unfair manipulation, and therefore not a deal worth taking part in? Ask him why he feels he needs their love at any price.

therealsmithfield · 07/04/2012 15:37

Hi plucking I have never written a letter myself, but there is a good book I would recommend called 'Divorcing a parent' by Beverly Engel, so that might be worth a read.

Just wanted to say wrt bullying fathers, me too. Mine is a little more covert, and uses money to manipulate along with witholding affection/attention (whatever scraps of it there were). He would also control physically though. I was very afraid of his temper which he would display often toward my mother or myself and my siblings. He would smash things up or strike one of us.
No wonder I chose to marry a placid man who conversely I try to constantly dominate.
My father is still manipulating all of us now as he is often the one who determines who does and doesnt attend family functions. e.g 'I wont be going if your mother's there'.
He hasn't spoke to me in over a year because I wouldnt meet and introduce his grandchildren to his new gf on his terms. He also orchestrated me being left out of my youngest siblings wedding.

DerbysKangaskhan · 07/04/2012 19:48

First time posting, this thread was recommended in another thread. I hope I'm okay in doing this! I'll try not to go on too long...but I need to talk to someone.

My childhood had many types and levels of abuse and neglect. They (my parents, my dad's new wife - who he married the weekend before I graduated high school, and I'm from the States where it's a bigger deal - and my sister. My older brother left long before this) were all very happy to see the back of me and practically forced me out the day I graduated high school (in terms of my dad and his new wife) and ended up leaving the area entirely about two weeks later (as I was no longer welcome with my mum and sister).

Regardless of what they've done, I often feel like I should play the good daughter by having contact and I used to feel that it was my fault that I couldn't have a lovely relationship or that they didn't want contact like DH has with his parents. Rationally, I know this is wrong, but I guess it's easy to blame myself and try to change than facing up to the fact I'll never have it no matter what I do. I've had counselling and even talked about it with a Rabbi and I know I have no obligation to them and I can't let them hurt me or the kids...but I can't stop feeling like I should be doing more which is making the current situation worse.

Right now, I'm trying to get my head around my mum's behaviour. Which may be impossible. About 4ish years ago we had a phone based relationship which I had to stop because the calls were leaving me in tears every call was the same, it was pointed gossip about my family mixed with the same questions over and over followed by her telling me how horrible my choices were. She constantly asked about the same things so she could have a go at me and I just couldn't take it and I doubly couldn't take the idea of her wanting to talk to the kids and put her poison on them. A bit over a year after that, I'd had DD2 and wanted to tell my grandfather (mother's father) so told him everything about why I had been out of touch and the baby and he passed it onto her and she apologised and we had an mail based thing on and off since then. Last year, there was a family debacle around my pregnancy and birth of DS2 -- basically, I joined facebook to get in touch with my sister to send her a wedding present, she ended up using what I put on facebook to gossip about me and make it look to our mother that we were talking. We weren't, she refused to speak to DH when they met, refused to acknowledge any of my kids, and wouldn't even acknowledge my wedding present. Why she wanted to pretend we were talking I don't know but I defriended once it was well known which happened just after DS2's birth. As a family member of ours had stalked both of us, I thought she would understand my need for privacy, but apparently not. Our mother found out, had a massive go about how I can't disappear when everyone thinks things are lovely like last time. I responded with an open hearted email explaining how it wasn't all right before and things with my sister aren't all right now and basically laid it all out and said I was leaving it in her court.

This was months ago. A couple days ago I got a Passover e-card (I became a Noahide as an adult, but followed it from about 12ish. This is something my mother has previously torn me to shreds over, calling me horrible things. Her family is Catholic, but she follows a range of TV evangelists) saying she is praying for me and hopes to hear from me soon. That's all. No acknowledgement whatsoever about my long heart-poured out email or the problems going on now or previously. It's so frustrating, she did this throughout my childhood - act as if blanking it out and not acknowledging it meant it was suppose to be forgiven and forgotten.

I don't know what to do. I want to just say no, even the Rabbi has told me to just block her, but that seems a betrayal to my grandfather (without him I wouldn't be here and as he has no email and hates talking on the phone, everything goes through my mother or by post and post can be sketchy) or maybe it's just I can't let go yet of my childhood hope that one day something will convince her to love me properly.

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SaraCopiaSullam · 10/04/2012 11:50

Hello, I'd like to mark my place if I may.

I've got ongoing issues with my parents and I've gradually been trying to sort them out over the last couple of years but I think I'd like to come on here and hopefully learn a bit.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 10/04/2012 12:11

Welcome, Sara. There are plenty of links to helpful books and websites on page 1 of this thread if, if it's learning you're after. Jump in and unburden yourself anytime, too.

pluckingupcourage · 10/04/2012 17:08

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 10/04/2012 17:22

Yikes, I just saw what the Divorcing a Parent book is retailing for on Amazon, since it must be out of print.

The final chapters of 'When you and your mother can't be friends' and 'Toxic parents' have nc tips, and those are still in print (and thus cheaper)

pluckingupcourage · 10/04/2012 17:35

Thanks HotDAMNlifeisgood, I have toxic parents (pardon the pun) - will try to get hold of when you and your mother can't be friends.

I can't afford a second mortgage to get Divorcing a Parent ;-)

maristella · 10/04/2012 20:33

Thank you hotDamn you have given me a lot to work with. Ds has placed my brother on such a high pedestal, and that in itself is unhealthy and leaves him vulnerable. I haven't had a chance to talk with DS at length since the weekend as he is off doing Easter stuff with family (nice family) but you are so right in that he can choose elements of people he respects. If only some people were more like my DS :)

SaraCopiaSullam · 11/04/2012 10:27

Thanks HotDamn. I'm probably going to lurk a bit and post a bit too (I hope). Smile

twinkletwinkleoldbat · 11/04/2012 21:32

Hello....nervously dipping a toe in the water here to ask for some advice. I am being phone-harassed daily by my mother, whom I have not contacted since Sunday, when she essentially yelled at me that I was nasty, weird and a liar. The day after that I got a text asking when I was coming to visit (!!). The following day it was "have you sorted out when you're coming?" and today "is your phone not working?" I have started to dread these texts - they make me so angry I can't concentrate on anything (loads of backstory) I need a break! I guess many of you will have had a similar problem - is there a way I can block her from my phone? Just to know the daily text wasn't going to come would make me feel so much better. Thank you!! :)

pluckingupcourage · 11/04/2012 21:42

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twinkletwinkleoldbat · 11/04/2012 21:48

Hi Plucking, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately my number is also used for my business, or I'd change it for sure. I have read that a letter is the only way of making them understand, but maybe if your parents are the kind of people that like to use the written word against you, perhaps it's not so good.....mine could twist anything, no matter how rational.

pluckingupcourage · 11/04/2012 22:22

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 12/04/2012 07:26

Do you have caller ID? Then don't pick up if it's her. Though I know the sinking pit of dread it creates just to know these people are at the other end of the line.

Contact your phone operator to say you are being harassed. Many will offer to change your number for free. (you'll probably just have to show them at least 3 times in close succession when an undesired caller phoned). If you really want to not be aware of when she calls, then you will find a way to inform your clients of your new number. Otherwise, nothing is going to change for you, and your only option is to live with it.

I have read that a letter is the only way of making them understand

No, or only so rarely as to be the exception. A letter is a way for you to release the anger that's been eating you (usually in the form of self-hatred), and to state your boundaries. Abusive parents have too much at stake (the protection of their psyche) to ever acknowledge or "understand" our feelings. A confrontation will help you to grow and move on. It will definitely change the dynamic of your relationship with your parents; maybe they will leave you alone or respect you a little more, at best. But rarely if never does it lead to tearful admission of error and apology on their part...

pluckingupcourage · 12/04/2012 10:40

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 12/04/2012 11:00

You're doing a very brave thing, plucking

It isn't tilting at windmills, since it is a constructive and productive act, in and of itself, for your well-being. Whatever the reaction from the letter's recipients.

pluckingupcourage · 12/04/2012 11:27

I know, I just need to silence the critical voice which has taken up residence in my head, I also need to come to terms with the fact that it is impossible to make this letter comprehensive or in any way perfect.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 12/04/2012 11:33

Well, that critical voice has been around a while, and has gained a lot of strength and practice. It may not ever go away completely, but its power can be diminished, as you strengthen that other voice. You know, the one that's there right now really quietly saying: "I'm proud of you, plucking. Writing that letter is so brave. There is no such thing as 'perfect', but by god doing this at all is such a great thing for you to be doing for yourself!"

pluckingupcourage · 12/04/2012 11:47

Thanks HotDAMN that will be today's mantra: it means a lot to have you there. I am trying to play cheesy motivational music. Currently it's "Don't stop me now"

twinkletwinkleoldbat · 12/04/2012 20:34

Well done Plucking, sounds like you're doing great - just think how good it'll feel to have done this.....

And Queen is always good!

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