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DP and alcohol. Long, sorry.

55 replies

misty0 · 23/12/2011 22:00

I cant talk to anyone in RL aobut this and just need a shoulder i think. There are people with worse situations out there than mine, i know. So i'm sorry if this sounds a bit pathetic, but here goes:

(So as not to drip feed i'll try to include as much as poss)

I've been living with my DP for nearly 4 years. I love him to bits and he loves me. He's quite a 'blokey' sort of guy outwardly, with alot of swagger, and has a history (pre me) of alcohol and drug abuse, petty crime and disasterous unloving relationships. Over the 18 months we were seeing each other before we moved in together our relationship involved alot of drinking together. My alcohol consumption went up a bit - his went WAY down, as he gradually began only drinking at the weekends with me, instead of all day every day either alone at home or in the pub.

I want to add here I love him because with me he is loving, affectionate, kind, caring, funny, gentle, loyal, protective and he's gorgeous. We have a great sex life. He says that i am the best thing that has ever happened to him - and i feel the same about him. He is my soul mate. Since we've been together he's held down a steady job and has had nothing more to do with drugs or crime at all. He is a hard working guy, proud of me and his home and is lovely company. Even my mum likes him! His family are all very happy and relieved he seems so happy and settled now.

There's a big 'BUT ...' coming now, obviously.

The first couple of years we lived together we would drink quite heavily together most Saturday nights. Just us at home, watching telly and having a laugh. As his tollerance for alcohol went down and he began to get pissed on a 'normal' amount of alcohol however, it started to be that occasionally (maybe once every 2 months or so) towards the end of the evening he would turn really nasty. Get abusive and say awful things to me. Sometimes we would drink, go to bed, make love, go to sleep - all fine. Then he'd wake in the night and be a total bastard - swearing at me, calling me names, shoving me about, crashing about the house not knowing where the bathroom is, getting nasty in bed, ect. I'd go to sleep crying and he would be oblivious. In the morning he remembers nothing about it at all. He believes me that its happened, not least because its happened with ex's of his in the past. He is always sorry and ashamed. He comes up with a stratergies to avoid it happening again such as changing what he's drinking (he now stays away from spirits) or defining an amount we think he can drink 'safely' (Current stratergy - up to 8 cans only and never on an empty stomach)

The problems are,
a) There are times when the limit goes out of the window and he just wants to drink everything in the house and stay up till its all gone.

b) There are times when he gets out of control even under his self imposed limit.

c) He is very disinclined to want to talk about 'limits' and how much booze is in the house and available for him to drink, unless we've just had one of these awful bloody nights and the subject is up.

To bring you right up to date - i fell pregnant in January this year and we were both utterly over the moon. I stopped drinking completely, of course, and he would just have a can or two every other weekend. Blissfully happy. I lost the baby though, at almost 4 months Sad and that hit us both very hard.

After we lost the baby neither of us had a drink for 5 months or so. We have both started having a couple on a Saturday though in an attempt to 'lighten up' a bit about ttc as we were both getting a bit bogged down with it all. Vitamin pills and god knows what else. He is still drinking alot less than he used to, to improve our chances of conceiving, but i can see the old pattern starting again - the excitement about 'having a few later'. The need to have 'a bit extra in the house'. The count down to 6 o'clock on a Saturday evening when 'we can kick off'. Then about 4 weeks ago he woke in the night after a few drinks and was abusive and frightening again. i came down stairs and sobbed my heart out. I shake with fear when he's like that.

I'm struggling mentaly a bit at the moment after the loss of our baby. I'm more emotional and tearful than usual, but i am getting better. 2 nights ago, 'because its xmas' we had a few drinks together. I had 2 and he ended up getting rat arsed. He threw it all up before we went to bed as it happens, however, and all was ok. However i spent the whole evening till bed time watching the clock wanting the evening over with, worried and scared in case it all went tits up again. I hated every second of it. I was awake all night and everytime he moved my heart was thumping in case he was waking up like that again. He senses i'm worried - and has promised 'he'll be good over xmas' - but i'm a nervous wreck. He doesnt know how paranoid i'm getting.

Thank you for getting through all this. Just needed to share it all.

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LadyMedea · 23/12/2011 22:42

Oh misty, thats a tricky one. Sounds like he loves you a lot but still has a lot to work through. For some people alcohol does turn on the rage button, it's a known phenomena.

Would your lives be ok if you both gave it up completely? It sounds like he may never be able to have a safe relationship with alcohol... So for the sake of your long term happiness maybe nil is the right limit...

The alternative would be to stick to the recommended daily allowance and get him to agree to it... So 2-3 units for him and 1-2 for you....that's a lot less than 8 cans! And ony buy it as as and when you want it so there is a very limited supply in the house.

nolembit · 23/12/2011 22:43

I'm sorry to say this but do not have a child with this man. My father was like this and my childhood was a living hell, the stuff of nightmares. Your DP can't control his behaviour when he has been drinking and never will. Your only hope is for him to go teetotal which considering his obsession with when his next drink is coming is highly unlikely.

misty0 · 23/12/2011 22:51

Thank you. Yes - nil probably is the right amount. And buying just the right amount would be good. He just pushes against that.

The 8 cans is a weekly allowance btw. We only drink on a Sat eve.

Nolembit - sorry to hear about your childhood. Its a very valid point, thank you. One i've thought of. I am thinking maybe he'd stop if we had a child.

Do i sound like an idiot? Its so hard looking at your own probs from the inside Sad

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misty0 · 23/12/2011 22:52

Going to bed now. But will check thread tomorrow.

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 23/12/2011 22:55

I am really sorry

I have seen you give such lovely and measured advice to others on ^their6 threads

What would you say if you were advising someone else ?

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 23/12/2011 22:55

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FabbyChic · 23/12/2011 22:57

I feel for you both, I would ask you let him read this thread, I think it will help him see just how worried and emotionally abusive he is being.

Show him love, it may help you both.

LadyMedea · 23/12/2011 23:32

8 cans is still drinking nearly the weekly limit in one sitting... Not recommended... I'd definitely go for nil.

FabbyChic · 23/12/2011 23:35

My ex used to drink 8 cans a night, 8 cans is realy nothing in the grand scheme of things, is he drinking Stella cos that is a pig and does cause agression.

I'd certainly look for a lower vol. lager.

ImperialBlether · 23/12/2011 23:38

Do you really think men with an alcohol problem which leads to violent and nasty behaviour actually improve when there's the added stress of a baby in the house?

Really?

ImperialBlether · 23/12/2011 23:39

He can't do nil. He gets excited about drinking. He's not going to stick to having no alcohol at all.

First he'll be wetting the baby's head.
Then it'll be because the baby's kept him up all night and he needs something to relax.
Then he'll go out in the evening because he wants a change from domestic routine.
You get the picture, don't you?

Thingumy · 24/12/2011 00:22

Will he speak to his GP?

You can also self refer to your local drugs and alcohol services.

He is basically,binge drinking and even if it's only one night a week and he can't stop until he has drank all alcohol in the house,he has a alcohol problem.

I'd suggest he gets in touch with your GP to talk over his issues or as I said,your local alcohol service.He needs some professional help and advice on reduction or abstinence.

I wish you both well and hope he can talk openly about this with professionals.

Winkly · 24/12/2011 00:49

What imperial said (for the.second time today!)

Him drinking alcohol leads to abusive behaviour.

He is either unwilling or unable to give up alcohol despite the problems his drinking causes.

He is bargaining or manipulating to be "allowed" to drink more.

An alcoholic is not necessarily a drunk. Your oh IS an alcoholic, one who is abusive whilst drinking.

For this to work he MUST give up alcohol completely. He is incapable of "normal" drinking.

Please do not consider bringing a child into his troubled life.

SolidGoldStockingFilla · 24/12/2011 01:05

You can't fix him. He's got problems that you can't solve with 'love'. Walk away - or spend the rest of your life focusing on his drinking and how to make it better, and losing your own self in the process.

Dozer · 24/12/2011 09:16

His alcohol problem won't get better if you get pregnant again - you sound absorbed in how to manage it, but you can't.

Ttc is a v bad plan, sorry. Just bringing a DC into a bad situation.

My friend had a baby with someone like this - similar early stages, binge drinking, other problems before they met that seemed rectified - and her DP laid off the booze / weed for a short while, then made rules, eg ony X cans a night, wine only at weekends. Then reverted to weekend binge drinking / smoking, verbal abuse (including in front of the baby/toddler). She couldn't go out at weekends cos she couldn't trust him not to get pissed when in charge of the DC, money went on booze. She gave him ultimatums a few times and he'd make an effort for a few weeks, then back to it.

Even now, a couple of years after she left him, she has stress because he sometimes drinks when he sees their DC and she worries anytime he drives or has the DC. The DC sees the binge drinking as normal, eg "dad says you're boring cos you don't drink, he's just relaxing", "dad fell asleep on the sofa / floor again" so she's also worried that in future he too could have alcohol problems.

Isn't rule-setting itself a symptom of a drink problem?

You seem to be romanticising him, eg referring to "soulmates", emphasising how much he has reformed since he met you (subtext: your love has fixed him). This seems a dangerous way of thinking, it keeps you stuck in the drama and justifies putting up with the (crap) status quo and abusive episodes, hoping for some future lovely time when everything will be sorted out.

My friend would do this too - "he's lovely except when......, we have such a good sex life, it's only X, Y, Z, things will get better when x, y,z, he's under stress, I've never felt this way about someone, he's already come so far, has promised to change" etc etc. And all the while miserable and spending all her energy on managing his shitty behaviour and looking after the DC with no help. She was like a broken shadow of herself.

You say even your mum likes him: would she still like him if she knew about his past and abusive episodes, and drink problem? Do you cover for him / big him up?

V sorry if this sounds harsh. Just feel really strongly about this.

Dozer · 24/12/2011 09:23

Of course his family are relieved he's (seemingly) "settled down" with you, they probably see that you're a great person, and he is "off their hands", they can stop worrying / trying to control his problems because you have taken on that job.

The response of his family to your relationship (which you present as a good thing) is another red flag. The point is not are you good for him, but is he good for you and your life? Doesn't sound it.

moondog · 24/12/2011 09:31

You can't live your life feeling frightened about someone getting pissed and kicking off and to bring a child into that situation would be, quite frankly, unforgivable, knowing what you know.

amverytired · 24/12/2011 10:01

I'm sorry - but you are utterly delusioned if you think it will help matters to have a child in this relationship.
My dh has issues with drink - young children and alcohol will mean absolute misery for you and them. I'm speaking from experience.

He is an alcoholic. And an aggressive one at that. Add the stress of a crying baby (all babies cry, some more than others) and sleepless nights, and all the lifestyle changes that come with having a child - he will be drinking and roaring at you and the child. In my case there was a fair bit of smashing stuff as well. And your partner sounds more aggressive than mine was at the pre-children stage.

On the other hand, you will be vunerable and exhausted - and then having to deal with an aggressive drunk?

I think you have to cut your losses here. That, or decide that you can put up with him (how awful for you if you do) but please don't expect a child to do so.

amverytired · 24/12/2011 10:03

sorry that should be delusional

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 24/12/2011 14:44

I came back to write a longer reply to the one I added last night

But then I saw what Dozer wrote

I second, and third, and fourth that

I really hope you come back and look at these replies, and that last night wasn't just a little rant that you will rationalise away under the carpet (like you have all your other doubts)

izzywhizzysmincepies · 24/12/2011 15:21

He is an alcoholic; is he is willing to put his love for you above his love for the demon drink by seeking treatment for alcohol abuse and staying dry.

misty0 · 24/12/2011 15:49

Thank you so much for all your replies. Lots of wisdom and lots to think about.

I'm sorry to say I had to smile when i read the bit about me romantasising him. You're right! I do, i know. I'm ashamed to say i'm ridiculously in love with the bloke. (Why ashamed? Dont know.) If not i would have turned my back on him nearer the start when it was obvious it wasnt going to be all plain sailing.

I feel he's worth it about 1,000,000%.

About ttc. Such a hard one this. This is where i feel wobbly and unable to think straight tbh. It was such a massive wonderful surprise for both of us to find out i was pregnant. It was literally a dream come true for him as he thought he was infirtile. AFM - I just feel desperate to be pregnant again Sad

I think if a friend of mine were asking me my advice i'd say talk it through with him again. And again untill its clear where we both stand re how much or if at all.

I think if i pushed hard enough and asked him to stop completely he would. So why dont i?

Today he offered to forgoe drinking at the big all day and most of the night family do we're going to on Monday so that i can have a couple and he drives. I've taken him up on that and he's fine about it. A good sign maybe.

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 24/12/2011 16:02

oh dear

you are brushing it under the carpet Xmas Sad

I can understand your desperation to have a baby (I had 2 mc's) but this is not the man to do it with

really, it isn't

a "good sign" at this juncture (after everything that has already happened) is if he gave up the booze completely and of his own volition

can't you see that him holding out for you to force him to abstain completely is counter-intuitive ?

he obviously knows you won't do it...so that means a guilt-free green light for him to go right ahead and carry on with his damaging relationship with alcohol

and demonstrate to you exactly where his priorities lie

misty0 · 24/12/2011 16:16

Its not quite under the carpet.

Sort of more ... on the shelf, till i work out what to do.

I know its no good moaning about something here and then kicking off at all the people who tell you what they think, (i've been reading MN for a long time) so i wont sit here and just say 'no, you're all wrong - i'm not listening'. I am listening. I'm just not ready to walk away from him. I love him and i'd like to find a way to get over the problem.

Taking steps to sort it scares me.

I'm more brittle than usual after this bloody awful year. DPs SIL and his sister are both heavily pregnant at the mo. (they'll both be at the do) I'm finding that very tough to cope with too. Our baby would have been 2 months old now Sad

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misty0 · 24/12/2011 16:18

AF - sorry to hear about your mc's ((hugs))

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