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skettle · 09/01/2006 23:16

I know Ive posted many a whinge about my DP but this one is different... this time its not about the money etc...its about whether we would actually work as a couple. Here are a list of the things that went wrong last weekend, please tell me if its just a 'man' thing of if I have a point.

(For those that dont know, we dont live together, he comes to stay with me and my two boys once a fortnight...usually with no money).

First off, he came down with £16...he had earlier told me that he had £160 to last him the next 3 weeks.... that includes paying his credit card bill at £100. When he gets here he buys a jacket for £60 (he "needs one") and two DVD's...last week when he was here he bought a designer top in the sales and this weekend he spilt grease down it and wrecked it...he then wanted to go back and buy the same top again but had no money... I was going to offer to lend him the money so he could get it whilst it was still in the sale but I thought why should I? He's spent all his money on luxuries...I havnt spent anything on myself (in favour of paying bills and treating the kids), surely he has to learn that if he spends all his money he doesnt get any more treats?? but then he DID buy me a top in the sales a couple of weeks ago so was I being mean not lending him the money?

Secondly he's starting to get a bit 'above his stations' regarding my kids, he's decided that they need a 'crack' now and again (I dont smack) and has even slipt into doing it himself...not often but increasingly IYSWIM...He even started "squaring up" to my 4 year old when he was in a strop and throwing things, he actually stood there saying "come on then..." squaring up to him! am I alone in thinking this is wrong?

Thirdly, the week after christmas the roads were terrible...snow and ice and weather warnings saying not to use your car unless you had to...BUT DP came down and demanded that I drive us all to the city centre...I said I wasnt confident doing so (as he knows) so he went in a huge strop until I gave in, should I have been pissed off? I was...but then was I being a drama queen not driving in the snow to start with?

Fourthly...he comments on every woman that comes on TV and has even started doing it with women in the street..."did you see her nipples?" "her legs are gorgeous!" "You could tell she was cold by looking at her chest" "If her skirt was any shorter I would've swore she didnt have one on..."... at first I could cope but now Im getting sick of it, he talks to me like Im a bloke...its as if he wants my opinion on the girls he goes on and on about, is he being insensitive or am I just a prude?

Thats it for now....I will probably think of more probs later!

TIA

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Normsnockers · 10/01/2006 17:13

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hunkermunker · 10/01/2006 17:14

So, Skettle, what's your plan? How are you going to make sure this man doesn't feature in your lives any more?

Normsnockers · 10/01/2006 17:17

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Pfer · 10/01/2006 17:18

Skettle - honey - you are going to dump him aren't you? How would you feel if you didn't and he seriously hurt one of your kids? Would you defend him then? IMHO (shoot me if you like) if you don't get rid of him your kids will suffer and you'll end up losing them and if you let it them get hurt knowing full well what he's like it'd be better for them if they were taken away. At least they'd be safe poor little mites. You are their mummy. FGS act like it!

Normsnockers · 10/01/2006 17:18

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Pfer · 10/01/2006 17:19

Is she ignoring us because she knows we're right but is too weak to do anything about it?

LIZS · 10/01/2006 17:35

I don't kwon the "history" as others seem to but you answered your own question - he is indeed getting 'above his stations' and taking advantage of you to boot. He may not be an abuser but to walk into your home and make unilateral decisions as regards discipline of your kids is not on. He sounds like a bully, is spoilt and selfish, and very unlikely to change if he is allowed, as you are doing every time you give in, to continue to make such demands on other people. As to the comments on women - just how immature can you get.

Tamz77 · 10/01/2006 17:47

I agree with what everyone's saying but couldn't some of you try to put it in more gentle terms? Sometimes we know a bloke's a sh*t but the prospect of having no adult male company at all is even worse. And sometimes the conflicts become habit, and kind of reassuring in a way, because even he's treating you as badly as this, there's a certain comfort in knowing where you stand, at least. IYSWIM.

Having said that Skettle believe me, as soon as you get out of this relationship you will start to thank yourself for it. Dump him, treat yourself, spend some quality time with friends and family and wipe this guy from memory. He is not only rude, lazy, ignorant and aggressive, he is DAMAGING. Don't underestimate that.

onefootinthegravy · 10/01/2006 18:11

I agree Tam, poor thing has come on here hoping for someone to listen, I realise how serious this is but, some of your comments are lacking compassion to say the least and will make skettle feel even worse than when she started this thread.

Freckle · 10/01/2006 18:15

Sorry, can't agree with the bit about putting it more gently. Skettle has been on before describing the appalling way this waste of space treats her and has been given advice, mainly to get rid. She clearly hasn't done that. So perhaps things need to be put more strongly. Then she might realise that she is risking not only her own health and happiness by keeping this relationship going, but also that of her children.

I fail to see how having no adult male company at all can possibly be considered to be worse than putting up with someone who treats you like sh*t and physically assaults your children.

LeftOverTurkey · 10/01/2006 18:18

He may be ok 80% of the time, he may even be ok 95% of the time - that is irrelevent. If you are waiting for him to be bad 100% of the time before you do anything it just isn't going to happen. Even real baddies are nice some of the time. The point is the times and ways he is a bully is totally unacceptable and he probably knows it, he is just taking advantage of your kind nature.

TambaTheDragonSlayer · 10/01/2006 18:19

Having read the other threads.. It may be quicker for people to just cut and paste there replies from them onto here as the advice is the same and no doubt it will be ignored again.

sickandtired · 10/01/2006 19:42

lets leave this thread until skettle comes back... Not read other threads from her and don't know her history (I mean the father of kids) but I think she obviouly has a low self esteem and this man has made her fell valued (in the beginning) but now he is turning the screw so to speak.

Not too sure if a slating helps? But, for the record skettle, if someone chastised my children, that wasn't me or dp, they would only do it once. I wonce when my parents tell them off!

sickandtired · 10/01/2006 19:43

wince I meant!

7777777 · 10/01/2006 20:25

ive read your message skettle and skipped the replies from other mums. anyone who hurt or threatened to hurt my kids would be firmly told to get lost, how can you put your children in this position, i think its disgraceful. get rid of him, get some backbone in you, self esteem, counselling, wotever. i cant believe youre still with him!

catsmother · 10/01/2006 20:41

I think that all the replies - even mine, which may have been one of the "less gentle" ones are showing compassion. If we weren't bothered, worried and appalled by Skettle's (repeated, and worsening) story, we wouldn't take time out to post at all.

Skettle has posted several times before. She gives very detailed descriptions of how bad this man is - and admits it herself, yet in the next sentance, asks (again) if she's being unreasonable.

Given the fact she has now told us her children are being treated unreasonably, I, for one (and obviously I am not alone) am pulling my hair out wondering how I can get through to this woman. She has had a plethora of concerned, compassionate and thoughtful responses about this "man" to no avail ..... as kids are involved, I think the time has come to tell it like it is. Cruel to be kind and all that.

Tamz - I am absolutely appalled that you should have said "Sometimes we know a bloke's a sh*t but the prospect of having no adult male company at all is even worse." .....

.... Jeez, so women the world over should put up with "sh*t" lest they miss out on male company ???!!!! They should put up with being beaten/abused/bullied/belittled/cheated on/frightened/have their kids maltreated/their money stolen/and a 1001 other nasty things, because "male company" - of any sort - is the ultimate thing we should all be aspiring to no matter what.

I did allude to Skettle fearing being alone. I do know how it feels to be lonely/trapped/missing out/unloved/wondering if you're ever going to go out again etc. ...... I bet many of us do, especially single mums. But what is preferable FFS ? ...... putting up with all that for a time as an adult, or having some scumbag lowlife injure your child ?

How can there possibly be a choice in that situation?

Skettle, if you're reading this, I can assure you that no-one here wants anything but a happy ending for you here .... but that is dependant on how you value yourself, not upon another person, and particularly not upon someone who has made you consistently unhappy over the last few months.

What is your real life support system like ? Do you have friends / relatives close by who can support you through this ? I am sure that if they knew your story, they would also say all the same things we are saying here, but they would also ensure you weren't left alone, they'd come round to see you, give you a ring.

And I do actually know what I'm talking about. I had a brief relationship (marriage) in which I was (stupidly) deliberately conned, where the upshot was I lost my home. Long long story which I won't go into now but my world was turned upside down, my home, my job, my son, everything was affected. And after that, I was on my own for over a year, in a new location (forced upon me by what'd happened) and without any support from so-called friends and relatives (you find out who your friends are as they say). I spent 16 months, during which time I NEVER went out, apart from to work, where I had NO male company and generally life was sh*t. Not a pleasnt time, but it enabled me to do a lot of soulsearching about what I wanted, what I actually needed and what I would and wouldn't put up with if I had any future relationships. In that respect, the "break" did me good, though going through it wasn't pleasant - but it was necessary.

It's also necessary for you Skettle.

KateMossinredredskinnypants · 10/01/2006 23:23

GET RID OF HIMRIGHT NOW
If I knew where you lived, I would phone social services.
GT HIM AWAY FROM THOSE POOR CHILDREN
WTF is wrong with you, you stupid mare?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mytwopenceworth · 10/01/2006 23:39

Let me help you with your next thread

" Am I being unreasonable

my dp makes me hand over all my money to him when he comes to stay and dictates what we buy. when he is not around, i am not supposed to go out, except shopping, or to do with the kids, if he rings and i am not at home when i am supposed to be, he is abusive. when he comes over, he makes the kids stay in their bedroom, he sometimes wont let them have any tea and he hits them. last night he hit my son round the head my son for saying he was hungry when he hadnt been allowed any tea. in many ways he is a good man, but he does hit me. he grabbed me by the hair and smacked my head into the kitchen worktop, in front of my kids last weekend. I am not sure if i should continue in this relationship, should i give him another chance? "

WHY can you not see the path this relationship is going down?

I am really worried for your children, you have to make them your priority. no man should come above your kids.

Aloha · 10/01/2006 23:42

Honestly, he is a total bastard and waste of space. And hitting your kids is just so wrong I don't know where to start. He will start really hurting them if you carry on seeing him. He thinks he is a child, hence squaring up to your little boy
He has the potential to become truly abusive and you need to stop this now. I totally fail to see what you get out of this 'relationship', though I can clearly see what he gets out of it.

Aloha · 10/01/2006 23:48

I think mytwopennorth's post is absolutely brilliant. It is your future, Skettle, if you don't dump him NOW. FFS, these are your children? How do they feel about this bastard?

saadia · 11/01/2006 07:22

Children are so affected by early role-models, that is where they get their idea of what is normal from. They will think your relationship is normal. Is P the kind of person you want your kids to emulate, and sorry to sound harsh, but seeing you being so compliant with his cr*p is not giving them the right messages about self-worth and confidence.

Pfer · 11/01/2006 08:03

skettle, if you don't dump him please don't post on here about him when he's hurt your kids. you'd get sympathy sure, but also a lot of i told you so's.

Normsnockers · 11/01/2006 12:43

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CountessDracula · 11/01/2006 12:44

Your poor children, get rid of him before he really hurts one of them.

meggmoo · 11/01/2006 16:13

How's it going for you Skettle, you've been very quiet.
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