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Was it all too easy?

96 replies

Wabbit · 08/12/2011 23:48

I've just split up with my partner of 4 years. We didn't have a tempestuous or angst ridden relationship - there were inequalities and money/equal contributions were the major issue for me. I was also just fed up with his inability to commit to me by not asking me to marry him.

I helped support him through the last three years of studying for a Masters degree - he's just gone back to his old job and hates it and wouldn't just take it on the chin - it's a means to an end - very good money and he should be grateful in the current climate that he didn't have to trawl through interviews month in month out to get a job - let alone a good one.

So, it happened this way... I went to a residential group relations conference for 8 days last month and whilst I was there fell madly in love with another delegate. It hit me so hard I just couldn't resist it, I have never felt this way for any other man since I first fell (blindly) in love at the age of 19.

I thought I really needed my partner, but found that he was preventing me from engaging with all of my capabilities - in work, in my private life, in my internal world. I had stopped being ME.

When my man and I left each other at the conference we set a boundary - that we would not contact each other, but go back to our homes and take up where we left off.

It felt so awful, I was emotionally numb driving all the way to my sisters where I stopped the night and told her all about falling in love so deeply.

The back to how it was plan was just not possible, I didn't have the same eyes any more and could no longer look on my partner with love.

The same was felt by my new love. So much so that when I returned home I had 3 emails, and found out that he had immediately told his wife that he had fallen in love with another woman.

I knew I had to do the same but it took me three weeks to find the right words, we had become so adept at avoiding eachother, I actually had to 'book' time in the evening with exP to create a moment to speak alone and at length.

So I told him what had happened, he said that he knew something had happened and that he had been thinking for the last few months that we should have a 'trial separation' to see how we still felt about eachother - He said it could just as easily have been him that had fallen in love outside our relationship and that he would leave the next day - which he did.

So, why was it so easy? ExP is making big efforts to continue to be a father figure for my son and still loves him dearly. I cannot fault his behaviour towards me, he has even helped financially this month (which I normally have to ask him to do... like begging)

I know he feels love for me - he said so, I also know that we are not destined to be together.

My new man has started marriage guidance counselling with his wife and the outcome of separation has already been decided. His wife though still holds hope that his love will be rekindled.

We have not seen each other since the conference but have constant communication on the phone and by e-mail... he lives abroad and it will be a long road to our being together. Years probably before we can live together because of his children and our careers.

I had to write this out, not so much because I need some help with what I feel is a problem, but to ask if any of you have had an experience like this?

My dominant emotions are of hope and freedom... love and excitement...

OP posts:
FabbyChic · 18/12/2011 14:14

Why are you taking financial contributions from the man who has left? He has no responsibiity towards you at all. And I think taking money from him is out of order and you should manage on your own two feet, was your choice to split up take all the responsibilities that come with that. Dont be a ponce he doesnt have to support you or a child that is not his.

MarinaAzul · 18/12/2011 15:37

Another 'joke' thread, perhaps?
OP are you real?

Dworkin · 18/12/2011 15:47

I would suggest OP that you are in a state of limerence. Forgive me if this has been suggested before.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence

There is an excellent book called The Single Trap by Andrew Marshall (he's a marriage counsellor) and I suggest you read it. It helps you how to form lasting relationships.

Dworkin · 18/12/2011 15:50

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence

hopefully that fixes the link

makeyerowndamndinner · 18/12/2011 17:30

Haven't read the whole thread so excuse me if I'm just repeating what others have said but you can't love someone after only knowing them for 8 days.

I mean 8 days? You don't even know him, let alone love him! He could be anybody! Come on OP, you're a grown woman, not a silly teenager.

ameliagrey · 18/12/2011 19:47

Calm down everyone!
Lots of jealousy and bitterness in some posts. Somewhere in the middle lies a reasonable response to this.

I do believe you can love someone after 8 days.

BUT- OP - this man is not free. Until he is, you would be advised to not be so optimisitic about the outcome.

You only have his word that the marriage is all but over- despite the counselling they are having.

You are living in separate countries, you both have children- and he is still married.

It might work out for you- but it may well not.

Relationships need meetings to grow and survive. How is that going to work for you both?

If he was so keen to be with you, or vice versa, I'd expect him to do the decent thing- move out of his family home and start planning a life with you- where one or the other changes jobs/ locations.

Instead he is in counselling- is that to make his marriage work- or pretend he is trying?

To answer your question- it's been too easy. Yes. because you are about 1% of the way down the road to being together with this guy.

And at the moment you are obsessed with him.

What will hit you at some point is the fact that you have been 50% of the reason his family broke up. You will have to live with that.

This happens all the time. people survive it. But i think you ought to curb your jubilation until he is divorced and you are both in the same country, and are free to make a go of it together.

HoudiniHissy · 18/12/2011 20:29

Just me that noted that it's been 8 days between OP's previous comment and her latest....

Wonder who's made their heart available to her this week... Hmm

MarinaAzul · 18/12/2011 21:58

Maybe she's met and fallen in love and been given the heart of a new(er) man?
Couuld be an 'every 8 days' thing?
(meow !)

HoudiniHissy · 18/12/2011 22:04

Aha... I know a song kinda bit relevant...

Xmas Wink
Wabbit · 28/12/2011 23:30

ameliagrey - You are right... we are only 1% of the way...

And yes, it WAS too easy for my partner to separate from me and my children without repercussions... My ex-partner is totally devastated - I hate that he is hurting so very much, he does not deserve it at all, but also, he (and I know a song for this one) 'don't' know what he'd got until it had gone. I'm not bulling myself up - he really disliked many of my characteristics... but now sees them as things that make up who I am. My weaknesses as something he loves about me.

Fuck! who'd have thought it?

I'm not insecure about my new found love... We have spent some time together over Christmas - he's not really further in his separation but there is more clarity as to why he's doing the 'counselling'... of course there's the possibility that it may well re-ignite their marriage... I'm not thick - I'm in love! But also it will reveal what went wrong, and help in the process of creating an amicable separation - if that's at all possible for them.

We have good communication - perhaps better than if he were 'free' and here.

I don't really give a shit about the negative responses here - have not read everything but thought ameliagrey deserved a response to her intelligent input

OP posts:
ClaraSage · 29/12/2011 00:09

So, he wants an affair with you while he 'works' on his marriage? And you are going along with this?

ameliagrey · 29/12/2011 08:53

well, OP, thanks for your kind words about my earlier reply.

You sound very detached fromy our ex. Are you?

You might love this "other man" but in your heart of hearts you must know that very few men actually leave their wives for the other woman- especially if the man has children. Some do- granted.

I wonder how you have managed to see each other if you live in different countries- maybe there is not sea between you and you are simply talking borders- as again, I wonder how he got away from his family over Christmas to see you, or vice versa?

I don't know if I've missed this- but it is important- does his wife know he is seeing you and still in contact?

can you imagine the outcry there would be if a woman was posting here that she had gone to counselling to try to save her marriage- but all the time her DH was in touch with /fucking the OW?

You see, if she doesn't, I think it's wrong for him to go through the motions of counselling, not 100% committed to making his marriage work, and see you at the same time.

I know that people have counselling to come to an amicable separation. But what this man appears to be doing is sitting on the fence, and waiting to see what happens, rather than taking control of his life and marriage.

It is also easier for him to do this when he knows he has got his "insurance relationship" hovering in the background.

I don't doubt that you love him. BUT I do think that love is about wanting the best for the person we love. Do you?

If so, the best option for this man is to stay with his family IF there is the smallest chance of saving the marriage.

Whilst he works things through with his wife- whatever the outcome- you would be doing the decent thing to cut all contact and wait for him to decide what he wants.

Your prescence will be muddling the waters and I don't believe he can make the real effort needed to save this marriage whilst he has the hots for you.

I am not being hostile to you- I am in my 50s and in my misspent youth i too was the OW though unwittingly once- but i am talking from experience.

If this man's marriage was over, he would leave now. Full stop.

he isn't. What does that say?

You should do the decent thing and back off until it's sorted.

ClaraSage · 29/12/2011 11:50

Amelia, great post. You should be a Relationship Therapist.
(And not a mention of.....''Have you read 'Not Just Friends' by Shirley Gee'' !)

scarletforya · 29/12/2011 13:12

OP you are either a quite good troll or a very naive and silly woman.

If your story is true you are living in a cliché so predictable and hackneyed it beggars belief. Save this thread and read it back in a years time. You will cringe with embarassment and shame.

Let me guess, you think your lurve is so different and special that he won't lie to you and you two are star crossed lovers fighting for your lurve in a hostile world.

Come on OP. Are you really doing this? Really?

scarletforya · 29/12/2011 13:15

Because what has actually happened is that you go fucked at a conference by a married man. That's it. BORING.

Next.

ameliagrey · 29/12/2011 13:36

aaaaaarh thanks Clara- nice post Smile

except my friends who are RT tell me they never advise. Smile

MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 29/12/2011 13:48

Hi Op. Just wanted to say listen to AmeliaGrey, she's talking sense!!

Also, I've just read all your thread here and this sentence you wrote early on really jumped out at me;
Ex was the one who decided to go - I just told him about the feelings I felt for another man - because I couldn't lie to him, I told him that we were in contact and that the feelings were still very much alive. He could have chosen to work on what we had, but didn't want to.

That's really quite a heartless thing to write (really, what else did you expect him to do given the emornity of what you told him). You seem very distanced from the damage to others that your actions have caused which is probably what is making it seem so easy.

You seem to be in a bubble, detached from the real world and numbed by it. That is entirely understandable when you are in lust like this but I wouldn't make any decisions in haste until you get your senses back.

Your old relationship does seem to have run its course but I wouldn't bank on this new one being anything more than smoke and mirrors...for all the reasons already said.

ClaraSage · 29/12/2011 13:52

She'll not be back because she doesn't like 'negative responses'.

So......... WOW OP! What an amazing love story! I am so jealous! It's all going to be simply WONDERFUL ! You and OM really just HAVE TO be together regardless of who gets hurt because IT IS DESTINY. I am so happy for you both. XXX

MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 29/12/2011 14:31
Xmas Grin

afterall, none of us could have possibily ever, in a million years, felt such an amazing and pure love as this!........ and this is why we are all so cynical about it

ClaraSage · 29/12/2011 14:48

Humming the 'Love Story' theme tune........

ameliagrey · 29/12/2011 15:46

I don't doubt the OP is in love/lust.

But it's what she (you, if you are reading OP) decides to do about it.

The crux for me is that this man is in counselling with his wife. They may end up staying together, they may not.

None of us know what is going on in that marriage. Not even the OP. But I'd hazard a guess that it is not as on the rocks as the OP wants to believe- and that his wife does not know he is seeing someone else.

OP have you asked yourself what kind of man goes for counselling with his wife- but it still having sex with another woman?

Is he trying to make a go of it with her- or you? Or- my guess- he doesn't know, and you continuing to be available will confuse him all the more.

You should disappear in a dignified way until he has found out what he wants. If his marriage ends, he knows where you are.

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