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Was it all too easy?

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Wabbit · 08/12/2011 23:48

I've just split up with my partner of 4 years. We didn't have a tempestuous or angst ridden relationship - there were inequalities and money/equal contributions were the major issue for me. I was also just fed up with his inability to commit to me by not asking me to marry him.

I helped support him through the last three years of studying for a Masters degree - he's just gone back to his old job and hates it and wouldn't just take it on the chin - it's a means to an end - very good money and he should be grateful in the current climate that he didn't have to trawl through interviews month in month out to get a job - let alone a good one.

So, it happened this way... I went to a residential group relations conference for 8 days last month and whilst I was there fell madly in love with another delegate. It hit me so hard I just couldn't resist it, I have never felt this way for any other man since I first fell (blindly) in love at the age of 19.

I thought I really needed my partner, but found that he was preventing me from engaging with all of my capabilities - in work, in my private life, in my internal world. I had stopped being ME.

When my man and I left each other at the conference we set a boundary - that we would not contact each other, but go back to our homes and take up where we left off.

It felt so awful, I was emotionally numb driving all the way to my sisters where I stopped the night and told her all about falling in love so deeply.

The back to how it was plan was just not possible, I didn't have the same eyes any more and could no longer look on my partner with love.

The same was felt by my new love. So much so that when I returned home I had 3 emails, and found out that he had immediately told his wife that he had fallen in love with another woman.

I knew I had to do the same but it took me three weeks to find the right words, we had become so adept at avoiding eachother, I actually had to 'book' time in the evening with exP to create a moment to speak alone and at length.

So I told him what had happened, he said that he knew something had happened and that he had been thinking for the last few months that we should have a 'trial separation' to see how we still felt about eachother - He said it could just as easily have been him that had fallen in love outside our relationship and that he would leave the next day - which he did.

So, why was it so easy? ExP is making big efforts to continue to be a father figure for my son and still loves him dearly. I cannot fault his behaviour towards me, he has even helped financially this month (which I normally have to ask him to do... like begging)

I know he feels love for me - he said so, I also know that we are not destined to be together.

My new man has started marriage guidance counselling with his wife and the outcome of separation has already been decided. His wife though still holds hope that his love will be rekindled.

We have not seen each other since the conference but have constant communication on the phone and by e-mail... he lives abroad and it will be a long road to our being together. Years probably before we can live together because of his children and our careers.

I had to write this out, not so much because I need some help with what I feel is a problem, but to ask if any of you have had an experience like this?

My dominant emotions are of hope and freedom... love and excitement...

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PetiteRaleuse · 09/12/2011 10:08

OP, as someone who once got involved with another woman's man, can I advise you to stay away. Put your so called love feelings down to lust and walk away. He isn't worth it. I ended up being the Other Woman for four long years. It destroyed me, and destroyed many friendships and family relationships around me.

Because that's what you are, even if in spite of yourself. You are the Other Woman, and the only winner in this little trio will be the man. Whatever he promises, whatever he says he is doing, it can only end badly for you.

Save you energy for someone more deserving.

PeppermintPasty · 09/12/2011 10:11

I will eat my hat and everyone else's if you two get together. The female view/male view comment earlier on sounds spot on to me.

chipmonkey · 09/12/2011 10:41

So you agreed not to contact each other and by the time you got home he had sent you 3 emails? He didn't have enough respect for his wife to even try to stay away from you?
Wabbit, there is a big difference between being "in love" and being loving. You should never make rash decisions based on the former.

TooEasilyTempted · 09/12/2011 10:42

I'd bet my next months mortgage payment that your new man has told his wife fuck all and it's all ticking along nicely at home for him, and why wouldn't it. He's in a different country and you're already under the impression it's going to take years for you to openly be together. He can string this out until he gets bored or gets a better offer than you.

Just because people you both work with know about the two of you... So what. I work in a place where there are 1500 employees, affairs are commonplace, he's probably well known for it.

He has a nice little family set up at home and a guaranteed shag for his future business trips. Enjoy.

fuzzynavel · 09/12/2011 11:02

OP, would you mind sticking a bit of racey stuff in the next installment? Grin

Barreal · 09/12/2011 11:09

I wouldn't want to be with a guy who cheats on his wife.
End of.

squeakytoy · 09/12/2011 11:20

I work in a place where there are 1500 employees, affairs are commonplace, he's probably well known for it

Exactly.. he didnt exactly hide the existence of his wife either.

I worked in a place that only had about 40 employees, and almost everyone was sleeping with a colleague.. I kid you not! The job involved working away from home, lots of corporate wining and dining, and plenty of opportunity to shag around.. and nobody batted an eyelid.

IF any of this were true (because I have my doubts), do you not feel any compassion for a woman whose husband has apparently just walked back from a business trip and told her she is dumped, or his kids who are about to have a shit xmas because of this. Do you not wonder at the sort of man who would behave like this, because IF he can do that to her, he will have no hesitation to do it to you when he goes on his next course and finds another willing victim to practice his language skills on.

Also, if you are working for the same company, be aware that people will be talking about you behind your back, and quite probably laughing too at your gullibility. People love a bit of juicy gossip, and I imagine you are providing them with it at the moment.

As for this airy fairy bollocks..

"The man I met is married".

"I still fell in love with him because he made his heart available to me"

No sweetheart, he made his dick available to you, and I doubt you are the first or will be the last, while he goes home to wife and kids.

WibblyBibble · 09/12/2011 11:22

Cool story bro. FFS. You aren't in love- you've known this person a week. What a pile of crap. You need therapy, and possibly to read bell hooks rather than fucking Twilight or whatever you've got your twisted idea of 'love' from.

bubblechristmaspop · 09/12/2011 11:25

I think you need some home truths.

Firstly he is going to marriage counselling. It's not over. He can tell you it is as he lives abroad. He is going to marriage counselling as him and his wife want it to work.

Secondly, work knowing is no big deal. Lots of people sadly have inter work affairs. The men tend not to keep them secret, it's brag points. The women who think it's all legit and above board as it's at work. They don't realise that everyone else in the office is seeing her as an marriage wrecking easy tramp. All you are gaining from this open work environment, is giving your colleagues a topic to snigger and gossip about. Whilst your own standing plummets, unfortunately it's always the woman who this happens to not the man.

You've just wrecked which was probably a very good relationship and split up your dc's parents.........just to end up on your own.

Which brings me to my third point, you sound like a drama queen, chasing the adventure, when it never happens or the reality does not match up, you find something else.

You can't live with this self entitlement and hysteria for too long before you end up on your own.

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squeakytoy · 09/12/2011 11:31

I cant work out if the child is OPs current(ex) partner or from a previous relationship.

ExP is making big efforts to continue to be a father figure for my son and still loves him dearly.

So I wonder if this isnt the first time OP has got a bit bored of no excitement in her life.

It does make me laugh a bit, in a cynical way that she dumped her partner because he wouldnt commit to marriage, yet doesnt seem to have much respect for the marriage of another woman.

Charbon · 09/12/2011 11:36

The reason it was so easy to break-up with your partner was because as he said, it could easily have been him and he's evidently relieved that you've been the bad guy here. All credit to him for not letting you take all the blame and being honest with you. You've given him an almighty let-off, because it sounds like he wanted out, but was too nice and possibly too responsible to hurt you and his son by leaving. He could have 'played' the hurt and cockolded partner to the max here - but he didn't. All credit to him, he sounds like a good man. Hopefully his friends and family will now be advising him that he was right all along to have second thoughts about a woman who was this self-absorbed and selfish and who now thinks she is a romantic heroine in a period drama.....

As for the other man. If he has confessed all at home (and it's a big if, frankly) then hopefully his wife, kids, friends and family are telling him that he's been an absolute idiot to think that he's met his soul-mate and has found true love after 8 days. Wiser people will be telling him that residential conferences are breeding grounds for this sort of nonsense and he will have a lot of making-up to do with his wife and family, in order for them to take him seriously again, because this is such a cliche that he's likely to be a laughing stock amongst people with more sense.

Try and stand outside your situation for a moment. Read all your posts and try to see what others see here. The responses should give you a clue about how you come across. If you've got any wisdom and are not usually this self-obsessed and hung-up on romantic fantasies, you will shake your head, give yourself a metaphorical slap and feel embarrassed that you've been such a twit. A bit ashamed too that you were part of a joint enterprise to cause so much pain.

ChickensThinkYouCanGetStuffed · 09/12/2011 11:44

Yeah...good luck with that.

MrMeaner · 09/12/2011 11:50

Sorry, but as a man I can only reiterate the majority of comments above.
Firstly, any man who claims to have fallen head over heels in love at (I'm assuming) the age of 40+ has to be either i) emotionally retarded, or ii) talking out of his arse. I can't even believe that there are women who would want to hear someone say that...

Secondly, I would also take the mortgage bet that his 'openness' at home is perhaps not quite as extensive as it has been to you. Next time he rings (during the day? not in the evenings when he is at home?) ask to speak to his wife just to make sure she is aware of the situation...

If he lets you then I apologise and you can ignore my statements as one of an old cynic and I wish you the best of luck. If he doesn't...

Most of the time I think the responses on here tend towards the puritanical and are too black and white, but on this one you really have been taken for a mug... I'm not actually too surprised that 'ex' didn't put up much of a fight...

PieCherry · 09/12/2011 11:51

I think it's possible to fall in love immediately. I think it's possible to end a relationship on amicable terms.

I wish you luck.

But - personally I would have severe doubts about a man who could so easily leave his wife and kids after knowing someone for such a short period of time. (and for the purposes of equality same in reverse).

I'm sure most of us know what that bliss of being in love is like, but the hard part is yet to come - how do you maintain that love through the practicalities of life? That's the real test.

If it were me? I'd take a bit of time to be single, and allow him the same. If I still felt the same in 3 months, then I'd start to believe it might be real.

Best of luck x

Wabbit · 09/12/2011 18:52

Thanks for ALL your comments - interesting to hear from a masculine perspective too.

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MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates · 09/12/2011 22:24

BAH hahahahaha!!! You really have been taken for a foul. Really, are there still women that fall for this shit?

Well, you'll deserve what you end up with (nothing) but I do feel sorry for your poor DS.

HoudiniHissy · 09/12/2011 22:36

Wabbit, you fell for this story of his? God bless you.

The man you are chit chatting with is married. You got that MARRIED. He is not, as you are, merely involved, he is married.

Married men can and do say all kinds of shit to get their end away. For all you know he is NOT going to counselling and he did NOT tell his wife.

Stop pissing about with another woman's husband. Sever all communications with him. Let him either work on this relationship of his, or end it.

There will be great difficulty in him saving his relationship especially with you hanging about like a starving vulture. That is, IF he is, by some miracle, actually telling you the truth.

Remember this.. As fast as it heats up, it will cool down you could end up being DUMPED - as his wife may be, in a heartbeat for some other delegate/colleague/girl in a bar.

passionsrunhigh · 09/12/2011 22:37

I think the comments aer far too cynical! yes, OP could well have been taken for a mug, but on the other hand they might be extremely compatible, really. We don't know whether his leaving te wife was that sudden - it might have been a distant marriage for ages, and not he's got the final motive to leave. I think some people aer jelous as they never exprienced meeting a soulmate - and the older you are, surely it's EASIER to recognise, unlike for 20y.olds.

HoudiniHissy · 09/12/2011 22:37

Can I just say, MrMeaner, I am LOVING your work Xmas Grin

passionsrunhigh · 09/12/2011 22:42

marriage is not smth sacred anymore, Houdini - the official rate of divorces has just risen again! not everyone sees marriage as more serious than civil partnerships - and do I have to actually say it, that lots of men married under pressure, not because they genuinely loved a woman (same as many women settled to have a family).

EnjoyResponsiblyIfSleighFlying · 09/12/2011 22:47

So you and conference bloke have broken two families after a fling at a works do.

Nice job OP. Hope DS is OK.

And conference dudes WIFE and KIDS.

HoudiniHissy · 09/12/2011 22:51

Jesus christ woman, where are your morals? marriage may not be sacred to you love...

What a load of bollocks.

You get married, it works, great. It doesn't, you get divorced. There is nothing wrong with getting divorced. It's better than staying with someone you don't love anymore.

There is NO need EVER to betray someone. It really IS that simple.

And I speak as someone (single 10m after 10year relationship) who recently met someone who rocked my virtual world. I found out he was married. I backed off from pursuing a 'relationship' I tried to keep it as just friends, he wouldn't have it, he wanted/demanded more. It ended. As much as I would have loved a relationship with someone as funny, quick witted, sexy and with whom I shared an exciting connection, I knew it was wrong. I never lost sight of that.

I am not 'promised' to anyone. I am my own woman. I can do what (and who) I want wherever and however I wish. I wouldn't however do that to another woman.

HoudiniHissy · 09/12/2011 22:52

That was in reply to passionrunhigh, in case there is any doubt

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