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Found other womans dirty knickers in DH's bag.

90 replies

Stunnned · 07/01/2006 23:36

Thats it really.

Today, needed the bag he usually uses for work. Unpacked all the stuff and odds and sods and unzipped the front zip pocket and there was a pair of black see through french knicker style knickers in there. They had definitely been worn.

They are in a size much smaller than me.

I told DH i had emptied his bag and put the contents in a carrier bag - "oh, including the womans dirty knickers". He didnt look shocked but said "what?" a womans dirty knickers??? etc etc. "Well that either means im cross dresser or im having an affair doesnt it? Well i can assure you im not either"

Did seem rather confused. Then started talking out loud to himself in the bathroom (never does this) that someone from work mustve put them in there "for a laugh".

What i am most stunned about is that im not really bothered by it. I sort of believe that its a prank. But even if it wasnt, im honestly not bothered. I do love DH alot, and have no complaints about him at all. I have had PND so its been tough for both of us.

We were getting ready for a day out and he was all set for a huge row and asked what we were going to do now. I just said "we are going out arent we?". He said he thought i might want to talk about it etc etc.

I just said i believe him and gave him a kiss. Didnt want to say i didnt care either way as it might offend him.

This isnt right is it?

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Blu · 08/01/2006 21:49

Stunned - I think you are viewing all the pros and cons of the evidence very realistically here, and i hope that you (and him if he needs to!) get to the bottom of this.
But you know what? If he HAD been messing about, your sentence "I just dont care either way. I feel he loves me. And i dont blame him for going elsewhere if he did as i have been off sex totally since my LO was born." is what concerns me more than anything else in this story.
It ISN'T a man's automatic right to look elsewhere when his DW needs him most simply because there is no sex for a while. PND does put a huge strain on both partners, and i hope he has been supporting you through thick and thin. i admire your calm and rational approach to this, but i hope it isn't a result of such low self-esteem that you think you no longer have a right to his loyalty. You are obvioulsy a wonderful wife - as you know you have PND I am sure you are getting the help you need. Are you on ADs that have numbed your response to this, do you think?
I think it's significant that you haven't had an instinct that he has been having an affair - lots of people who do find evidence seem to feel that it is the proof of the pudding they have been suspecting existed all along.

Was he talking to himself in the bathroom in a way that sounded as if he wanted you to hear? Did he know you could hear?

lou33 · 08/01/2006 22:01

I don't know one single man who carries around a pair of used knickers , ready to put them in another man's bag as a joke, sorry

Mirage · 08/01/2006 22:26

I used to work with a girl who used to borrow her bosses car sometimes.She once left a pair of knickers in the glove box as a 'joke'.

I hope everything works out the way you want it too.

Stunnned · 08/01/2006 22:37

Blu - im on Ad's but i dont think they are numbing me. They have actually made me feel better than i have done in quite a while.

He has been very supportive. And every day since it was diagnosed he tells me that he loves me and that i will get better.

When he started talking out loud - he said something - i dont know if he would have known i was there or not - and i actually answered the question for him. Cant remember what it was he said now. He then continued to talk out loud so he knew i was there.

Mirage - Funny you mention a glove box. DH was using a hire car last week. Perhaps he found them in there? Just a thought - definitely not clutching at straws........

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PeachyClair · 09/01/2006 09:51

I thought Evie was a Peacocks range?? Might be very wrong (often am ), but that wouldn't suggest much either way: could be a cheap slapper, but equally could be a cheap place for a colleague to pick a pair up for a prank.

I still think you need to be a bit wary: you don't want to find yourself with STD, or a divorce three years down the line and then think 'maybe I should have asked more'. If anything, not asking is sending out a message that you don't care about him, as much as his fidelity. You don't need to be confrontational- @I accept your explanation for the incident because I love and trust you, but I would like to use this opportunity to ask that if you did ever feel like having an affair, given that we do have some sexual difficulties at the moment, you come to me and talk about it and we see where we go together'.

I wonder if his weight is affecting his self esteem (or vice versa). Depression itself is 'catching', and the fact that you are off sex isn't exactly going to make him feel like a love god is it? (And I'm not criticisuing you at all i promise, goodness my DH would ahve a few things to say about the regularity of our sex life too if he saw this!)

In some ways, prank or not, I think this could give you a valid and timely chance to review your relationship. All relationships that are worth fighting for need evaluating from time to time, and it seems like you have the makings of a wonderful marriage.

stitch · 09/01/2006 10:23

im sorry everyone, but i totally agree with stunned. i think her reaction is the only sane one.
stick with it girl.

spacedonkey · 09/01/2006 11:06

blimey, I do feel for you stunned!

I've just read the whole thread, and I don't think you're being weak or stupid as some might have suggested, in fact there's something very zen about your reaction (which has got to be a good thing, surely?).

The thing that would concern me is the way he has reacted to your finding the knickers - if I were your dh, and the knickers had been put there as a prank, I'd be incredibly upset and would be desperate to talk about it with you in order to convince you that I was innocent. Perhaps he is just as stunned as you though - as much by your (lack of) reaction as by the prank itself.

From everything you have said, it really does sound like a prank is the most likely solution to this mystery. And your reaction says a lot about what a secure and loving relationship you have got - which is something to be proud of, it really is.

drosophila · 09/01/2006 11:50

I worked in an all male team once and one of the guy's wife was pg. Two of his colleagues put one of those calling cards (the type you get in phone boxes) in his wallet and his wife found it.

He was ashen and distraught for some time. Wife wouldn't believe him. Just so you know it does happen.

Flamesparrow · 09/01/2006 12:03

Ooh how bizarre - Yup, Evie is Peacocks, so cheaply picked up for a joke (guessing they sell em clean though).

I'm obsessively jealous and possessive, so this whole thing would eat me up, but mine does border on the insane/irrational side, so I'm not the best person for perspective on these kind of things.

I want to believe the joke theory. I have no idea why, normally I would jump straight to "he's pure evil, kill him now", but not this time. Maybe it is because you sound so calm.

Huge hugs anyway.

Stunnned · 09/01/2006 12:26

Thank you PC, stitch, SD, Dros & FS.

I dont know peacocks. Is that a supermarket chain?

Peachy - you have a point. Your advice has been helpful. I will make a point of talking to him about it. He is certainly a bit phased by this too, and its a good opportunity to ask him about how he feels about himself and me etc as recently its been all about me and the PND. He's been under lots of pressure to help me, go to work and worry about money. Now this.

I asked him last night, just before we went to bed, how he was going to deal with the whole knicker prank issue at work. He said he was just going to pull them out his bag and say "so who's idea was this then?" and take it from there. Then he changed the subject.

When we got into bed he came over and gave me a cuddle (i sleep at the other end of the bed since LO was born as its easier to feed in bed that way) which is unusual in the respect that i usually go to him or ask him to come to me.

This morning, i have spoken to him on MSN and on the phone (for different reasons). He hasnt mentioned anything about it yet.

I will see what happens when he comes home this afternoon though.

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ggglimpopo · 09/01/2006 12:32

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Stunnned · 09/01/2006 12:38

I agree.

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lalaa · 09/01/2006 12:39

it occurs to me that if they smelt of smoke and were obviously worn, maybe they were picked up at a pole dancing club or something? and then put in his bag as a joke by a colleague?
hope it goes well this afternoon.

PeachyClair · 09/01/2006 14:06

That sounds viable, Laalaa

Glad I could help, Stunned. I have a feeling that this will all work out well for you, and I think your DH is really lucky to have somone who trusts him so much. I think if it were my DH I'd be inclined to believe him too. Don't tell him that though, don't want him getting complacent!

good luck.

anniebear · 09/01/2006 14:57

Ok, this might sound a bit daft, but maybe they had been bought and lads at work rubbed soemthing onto them to make them look dirty?!!

I could imagine a group of fella's doing that.

If so, a really stupid prank that could cause a lot of problems

I would expect DH to go MAD at work collegues

Blu · 09/01/2006 15:09

I have come across men doing stupid things like this, too, in previous work incarnations.
Is the working environment a smoky one?

In a drunken after-work incident once, many years ago, a group of us decided we could make cash by selling fake dirty knickers to a japanese outlet that was advertising for them. We experimented with making them look worn. It wasn't difficult. Or a work colleague could have had them in his OWN bag from a pole dancing club, or found hisown wifes knickers in his own bag 9maybe she leaves them in there as a joke or erotic surprise of her own!!).

Perhaps your DH could tell his colleagues that unless someone owns up, he will send a photocopy of the knickers to all their wives, saying they are lost property and could one of them claim them please because they have been found in your DH's office! that should scare them into a confession!

Anyway, stunned, I am pleased that he is being loving and supoprtive. I do think the fact that you feel that he loves you is important.

PeachyClair · 09/01/2006 16:39

God help me when the best erotic surprise I can give my DH is a pair of dirty peacocks knickers.

Yummymummy24 · 09/01/2006 20:02

Why don't you sneak a look at his mobile phone and check for texts. I was once living with someone leading a double life he flitted from house to house, I was suspicious as hell and eventually found out. So in my opinion if you can honestly say you have no other doubts apart from said minging knickers I'd just forget about it. But truly check it out behind his back, I felt such a fool when I realised, it might be just sex to some men but its a whole other ball game for us girlies. Oh and strip club/hooker line of thought came to me too dunno why. By the way i've never met your dh but from what you've said he sounds a pretty nice guy.

Stunnned · 10/01/2006 11:32

Im not in to sly checking of texts or emails tbh.

Aside from that - his doesnt sit playing with his phone, its not hidden away, and i cant remember the last time a text message came through on his phone. He often gives me his phone to use (its a phone in a pda) which he wouldnt if he was hiding something.

Anyway, had a chat with him when he came home from work last night.

I asked him how his day was etc. I cant remember if i asked or he said about the knickers tbh. He said that he pulled them out his bag, waved them about and said "okay, so whose idea was this?" he said he made out like it was the first he'd set eyes on them. No-one owned up to it at all, and just made jokes about him playing away "aye aye" and all that sort of thing. He said he will wait till his other colleague returns to work from sick leave (he is quite good friends with this guy) to see if he is in on the joke.

I told him that he needs to find out because they might find it funny but i certainly dont. He said "i know, it could have potentially ruined our relationship. Im not happy about it either".

After that, i said to him that it occured to me that he might be upset about how i reacted. He said he was shocked rather than upset. (and made an apparently 'throw-away' comment about me not thinking he was attractive enough to be able to have an affair 'ha ha')

He was thrown by the fact that i just came out with the comment about finding some other womans knickers, and then carried on like nothing had happened and he didnt know if i was joking or what. He expected that if i was being serious i would go mental and for us to have a huge row. But i didnt. He would have understood if i had been really annoyed at him but was glad i wasnt.

I said i sensed he was upset all day about it. Again he said, more confused by it all, and a bit angry that someone thought it would be an amusing thing to do. He was concerned about how i was feeling about it - he thought id want to discuss it. I told him that i know him well enought that he goes quiet when he's upset, but is very vocal when angry.

I explained that i had no grounds for suspecting he was having an affair - i just found a pair of womens knickers. Albeit dirty ones. He said he wouldnt ever do that, and aside from that he said he doesnt have the time! I agree with him there.

He mentioned that when he did a day trip to one of his company's new sites last week (the company he works for has just bought out another company) he said he didnt sense any hostility from them, but doesnt rule them out as having done it as he doesnt know them and thus their humour.

I told him not to drop it with work, i think its an appalling joke and it could have had dire consequences. He said he wont - he will speak to his colleague when he's back in.

So, thats about it really. Anyway, thank you everyone for your support, advice and comments. They have all been helpful.

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FrannyandZooey · 10/01/2006 12:01

Stunnned, I would imagine the reason you were not feeling too bothered to start with is because you know your husband and could tell from the situation, and his reaction, that he was telling the truth. It is easy to get paranoid but you obviously trust him and can speak openly to him. I am glad it has not caused too much grief between you.

tracyk · 10/01/2006 12:06

You need to be careful that he doesn't take it really badly that you weren't upset/angry. You need to reassure him that it wasn't cos you didn't think he was attractive enough to have an affair or didn't love him enough to be angry.
I've made that mistake before and the other person had left me a letter expecting me to go mental and was upset that I didn't show any reaction. Although I had spent all day with my head in a whirl - but they didn't know that.

spacedonkey · 10/01/2006 12:44

stunnned - you've got a great relationship there! I do hope you get to the bottom of the matter x

NotActuallyAMum · 10/01/2006 12:47

Bottom of the matter - boom boom

spacedonkey · 10/01/2006 12:47

splutter!

NotActuallyAMum · 10/01/2006 12:48

Sorry!

Stunned I'm really glad you've sorted this, and a huge well done for being so calm - I'd have gone absolutely ballistic, even tho I know my DP would never cheat on me