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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - On Their Way To Spread The Festive Cheer, Without The Beer!

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Mouseface · 24/11/2011 19:53

Hello, I'm mouse.

I have an obsession with drinking, I can't have a drink, not just one..... it has to be more. Always more.

So, I got on the Bus, this Bus, full of Brave Babes who will help and support me all the way. Come say hi, grab a seat and a Brew. We're a real mixed bunch that share one thing without any doubt - alcohol abuse.

And if you want to read about our history, it's HERE

See you on the Bus Smile xx

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SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 23/12/2011 10:27

welcome aboard mary Smile

yay for not drinking last night and feeling hopeful this morning mrs Smile

morning everyone else.

i have just finished wrapping the last few bits and stashing them in various places. lets hope i remember where!

had a chat with sis this morning about what's best/easiest to do christmas eve. she understands i don't want to do my usual cook and host thing. me and ds will go with her and the kids to their late afternoon church thing where they're playing/singing and then come back here and they'll come in and have a drink and let ds show off the christmas tree etc and then go. she's going to have parents at hers for tea and we have a pack to not mention to ds that that is going on. so we can put out reindeer and santa treats and hang stocking and get him in bed nice and early ready for the manicness of christmas day.

despite our differences i feel very appreciative of my sister right now. i actually feel appreciative of a lot of things - including you lot putting up with me Smile

hope everyone is getting there and will soon be able to relax a bit x

FairstiveGreetings · 23/12/2011 10:43

Well done Tinselly you are starting to realise that you can do this, it's not so hard really is it Wink. It's all about getting your head in the right place, or at least it is for me Smile.

Mary I am so glad you posted, you sound just like me when I joined the bus and I've found it so helpful and inspiring. One of the things I did straight away was buy bags of ice, lime cordial and soda water and made that my 'tipple'. With a slice of lemon or lime, it is a lovely soft drink.

JWN I was thinking about what you said the other day, about how many people find strength from just reading this thread and the confidence to try and change their lives for the better.

All we do is post how we feel about our lives and what makes us want to drink or not drink and how we deal with that. We can be as honest as we like and no-one will blame or judge us because we all know what it's like. You started it all with one massive cry for help and some fantastic people gave you brilliant support and advice. You really had no clue and thought you were stuck within this drinking spiral and who knows where you would be today if you hadn't posted about it.

So I suppose I just want to say thank you to you JWN for starting this thread and for showing us all that there are wonderful people out there who will take the time to help a stranger. Particularly at this time of year, when that's what the spirit of Christmas is really about. I don't want to offend anyone but even your choice of name seems fitting, because we all followed Jesus Grin. You, MIFLAW Bproud and all the others that have actively enjoyed sobriety have been a wonderful inspiration and when we all bleat on about how much we drank and how we regret it, it's so refreshing to have you all here to say, 'hey, I'm not drinking, and it's a wonderful life' (see what I did there Wink).

OK, I 'll stop now. Grin

Thanks x

FairstiveGreetings · 23/12/2011 10:45

I knew I would x post with someone after that long one! Grin

Saf sounds lovely, enjoy every second that you can Smile

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 23/12/2011 10:57

jesus led the way - a path through the wilderness - a light in the darkness... Grin

sorry to christians on the bus if i offended - only joshing.

i'm finding it literally impossible not to drink at the minute so if it's ok i'm going to jump on silvers 27th starting line and try to keep up x

jesuswhatnext · 23/12/2011 11:17

morning!! feeling a bit boingier today - got the food shopping to do and tehn housework and then tomorrow i can enjoy a potter about in the kitchen, what with all the stress and crap going on around me i have made a consious decision not to try and be 'perfect' this year, so, its mince pies out of a box and pate out of a wrapper etc, perfect only exists in kirstie allsops house and i feel an utter relif that i know that and have given up!! Grin

mary and mrs m, so so nice to have you on board the bus!

mary, i used to deny that i was pissed, even when i was slurring and stumbling about, (not a good look for a middle age lady! Blush) dh would look at me some mornings and i could see that he dispised(sp?) me, that he was disapointed in me, 'yet again' Sad, i was disapointed in myself but no way was i about to admit it, i kept all the feelings of disgust at myself, to myself, woke up each day and did a 'deal' with myself - today i wouldnt be drinking, oh HAH! that would last until about lunchtime, when i would have 'a glass' and do another 'deal' with myself that i would just have maybe one or two and then none in the evening - another HAH!! that fucking voice would already be in head by then, i had failed, i had drunk so i might as well carry on as normal and then 'not drink tomorrow', i feel so sad when i look at the time i wasted in this self-defeating circle - i think a lot of my 'dependency' was actually habit, it became habit to open wine in the evenings, it was habit to think that all problems had to be faced with a glass of wine in hand and habit that all celebrations should be done with a glass in hand.
over the past 18 months i have enjoyed countless parties, 2 of own birthdays, my dhs 40th b/d party, dd engagement party, christmas, easter, summer holiday - most recently i have been able to face the fact that my dm is pretty ill and will need me, that my dd has left home etc and ive done it sober

  • my first reaction to anything now is so much more 'measured', my temper has improved, my mind has a peace that i hold in high value, i sleep properly, my dh and i have, after a few rocky months, mainly caused by the fundamental changes in my attitudes to just about everything, which he found difficult to deal with at first, rebuilt our marriage back to being a mutual partnership, something that we had begun to lose because of my drinking (its very isolating when you drink like i did), he was lonely and missed the person i was when we met, his 'habits' had changed to suit mine iyswim? which meant that he didnt really talk to me, assumed i was pissed by early evening and not up for doing anything interesting, looking back, we had got to a point of mearly eixsiting side by side, not really 'living' together Sad

i think this time of year must be about the hardest time to give up booze, its bloody everywhere, i can tell you though that each sober day is such a reward to ones self, i used to 'treat' myself to wine as i 'deserved it', honestly, the longer im sober the dafter that sounds, my treat each day now is to see it in without a hangover, looking forward to the day, not looking back at the night before with mortifcation and shame, chatting with my dd who nearly disowned me, chatting with my dh who now respects me for the effort he can see i make in staying sober, and just enjoying my life! i dont know if its soberity or impending old age Grin but i now take huge pleasure in such simple things, i can read a book again (previously my concentration was shot), i sew, i cook, i like walking (confused) (only with funky footwear obviously! Grin) i have made new friends, im 'interested' in life again (hopefully that in turn makes me interesting!Grin)

in aa there is a bit about 'you can have what we have' and its true, you dont have to be in aa to get it, you just have to make the first decision of the day one that you really mean!!

TODAY I WILL NOT BE DRINKING!

thats my first thought everyday and i am bloody well sticking to it!

sorry babes, that turned into an essay! Blush

MaryWiselyornotatall · 23/12/2011 13:12

Thank you all for the welcome.

Fairstive, I did exactly that at the supermarket, and bought lots of limes, lemons and fizzy water. Hope it becomes my chosen tipple long term, then I might actually start to look like I used to, before I turned into a (late) middle aged apple. Bramley sized, not Pink Lady sized and cute.

And Jesus, I know all about the bargaining with myself - well, just one at 4 o'clock won't hurt, while I am doing the ironing. And then just one more little one while I prepare dinner. And then "Oh bugger it! I have already had too much, so I might as well finish the bottle so that I can put it out for recycling." It is amazing just how much we can fool ourselves. But no more. I blame the 'because you're worth it' syndrome - you feel that you have somehow earned that drink. But it has taken me until now to realise that I am actually worth more than that.

I am so looking forward to waking up tomorrow with a clear head. And I will. Thank you all so much. Sorry for the wordiness. I do go on a bit.

Will report back in a few days. A good holiday to all.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 23/12/2011 14:15

may the force be with you mary.

pattern at the minute seems to be feeling ok for a few hours in the morning and thinking oh good i feel a lot better and then poof, i hit a brick wall later in the day. now stuck to sofa and have put ds a movie on. no parenting awards being won here today.

anyway. just checking in. hope all are ok x

AChristmouseTail · 23/12/2011 18:52

Hello Mary - lovely to have you on the Bus. And what a great time to join our journey. Smile

MrsM - great achievement on not drinking last night! You should be very proud of yourself! Smile

JWN - it's been a while since we've seen a post like that from you, and it made me value you and this thread so much more. Thank you for all of your support and encouragement you've given me and others over the years, yes, YEARS! This is a great place to be and that's down to your very first post. Thanks

Saf - you know where I am, try and ride it out. xx

Silver - is your mum home today?

Thurso - are your boys all back for the entire festive period? I bet your house is ever so noisy!

Nemo is still no better but no worse. Last night was hard to watch him suffering to unable to sleep and settle. His temp is down for now at least. DH is out tonight so I'm going to stick my PJs on, have Nemo on the sofa with me and watch tv on my own, in peace and quiet. Grin

Cleaning and shopping tomorrow, for food, then that's it, The MouseHouse is doing Christmas! Yippeeeeee!

Be safe and warm Babes xxx

dementedma · 23/12/2011 19:06

great post jwn and welcome to newbies. have had a tough day at work today - first day without old boss and before new one so I was in charge. Got a lot of hassle from some quarters. Tossers!!!
Glad to be finished now for two weeks.
think I'll be another one joining silver on her post-Christmas sobriety thingy.

Bproud · 23/12/2011 20:56

I've been reading lots of posts on the boards about relationships with mothers and it has stirred me up. Do you mind if I share?

My DM has never, never, told me she is proud of me, never praised an acheivement, never acknowledged a personal success.

I know she didn't like/approve of me drinking, used to count my glasses/bottles, comment on the stocked bar etc, but since I stopped drinking 14 months ago she has not said a word about it, not actually acknowled that I have stopped drinking.

I feel a bit pathetic at my great age, to feel hurt and upset about this, but it is a BIG thing and some affirmation would be nice, wouldn't it?
I guess I am just preparing myself for her visit, only 2 days, I will survive...

AChristmouseTail · 23/12/2011 21:43

Oh sweetheart, of course it's a big thing, it's HUGE!

To you. She's never told you she's proud of you or said well done. Why is she going to start now? She doesn't see it, she doesn't see the pain and the anguish and the sheer bloody hell that you've put yourself through to get where you are.

The most important thing is that you know. Yes, recognition from her would be all your Christmases at once wouldn't it. You know how very very proud we are of you. But I know that is not the same, not by far.

How about you tell her. Tell her that you've been sober for 14 whole months. You've done it, all by yourself because it mattered to you?

Show her how great you are, how being sober has changed your life. Show her and tell her just what you have achieved. I know that you shouldn't have to. She should know, she should be gushing with pride.

If you feel that her knowing, telling her all about it, then tell her.

And yes, you WILL survive Christmas, you can get through it. Because you have gotten through every other horrible day, shitty week that has been and gone since you stopped drinking xxx

Bproud · 23/12/2011 22:00

Thanks Mouse it is great to have you and all the other Babes, you shore me up, validate me, help me to feel good about about myself.

I know she won't change and I won't be able to have that coversation with her, but it felt good to have that moan and to know that you understand.
Normal service will be resumed and I am looking forward to having my DC and friends around and a lovely rest from work.
I do hope Nemo continues to improve and you and all the mouse family have a lovely Christmas.
Thanks for being there.
X

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 24/12/2011 08:46

bproud i won't go into a big waffle about mine and my mother's relationship but i do understand how you feel and no it's not silly in the slightest and yes i understand the dread of having to spend christmas together! we can do this and we will!

shall i tell you an awful, terrible thing that sometimes crosses my mind? it's a terrible terrible thing but sometimes it crosses my mind that at least i'll have the pleasure of outliving her Blush Shock Grin we don't have to be saints you know - it's an awful thought but it makes me laugh in a dark way and gets me through some of her most awful episodes sometimes. you can all disown me now Grin

i managed to drink less than half a can of beer yesterday. quite pleased with that. have decided to take the new meds at night today in the hopes that maybe that brick wall i've been hitting is the full wham of side effects so taking them at night might help avoid it - worth a shot. i've also realised that my sinus infection has not gone away and i'm really quite physically poorly too - sounds daft but when i'm feeling mentally/chemically crap it's quite hard to distinguish that i'm actually ill too. so lots of hot garlic, ginger and lemon concoctions today. on the plus side the overpowering stench of garlic may protect me from my mother over christmas Wink

lots of love to all the lovely babes. for those who find this season tough - we're nearly through it! a couple more days of big girls knickers and smiles and we're out the other side x

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 24/12/2011 08:47

oh god that was a terrible thing to say - i'm SO SO SORRY silver!!! massively insensitive - i'm such a thoughtless bitch sometimes Sad

venusandChristMARS · 24/12/2011 09:05

Well it's Christmas eve, that time of madness, excitement, tiredness and frustration. Too much shopping, too much planning, too many other busy cross people. So I am going to carry around my own little oasis of calm, a little quiet place inside myself, a place that I can retreat to for a moment when everything outside gets too stressy. It's a place where I feel thankful for some very small things, the kindness of friends, the love of someone special, a home to live in. It's a place where it doesn't matter if the gravy gets missed from the dinner, or if someone didn't send me my favourite perfume for Christmas. It's also a place where there is no need to drink. So TODAY I will not be drinking, that is the best way for me to survive this season.

Love and best wishes to all babes lurking and posting. xxxx

MrsMiniver · 24/12/2011 09:11

Morning everyone, so nice to check in here everyday and feel part of something so positive.

How are you today Mary and well done for not drinking yesterday. Bproud I'm at my mum's today and although I love her dearly, she knows EXACTLY how to press all my buttons. I have to compromise like hell to make it work. Dad is being his usual controlling self too and when I'm here I feel all of 10 years old again :) It doesn't matter how old we get does it?

I drank yesterday, I'd brought a bottle with me to my parents and started early, my excuse being that it was the only way to cope with the atmosphere here :( No-one knew and I wasn't drunk but I feel pathetic about my need to do it. Today I might have one or two early on but as me and DD are driving back home later I can't indulge.

Hope all you lovely babes enjoy your day, busy as it will no doubt be, and love and thanks for making me feel so welcome.

Bproud · 24/12/2011 10:21

Morning all and thanks for your kind words. Thanks

I am feeling much better this morning and started the day with a real giggle as DH and I have started doing an exercise DVD called 6 pack in 6 weeks. If you need cheering up at all during the holidays just try to visualise 2 lumpy 50 somethings attempting to do planks and crunches on the living room floor Grin.
MrsM if you've got to drive anyway today, why don't you make it a dry day? You will get a real boost and sense of acheivement from that.
I wish you all a good day, hope you cope with the in laws and outlaws.
Love
x

FairstiveGreetings · 24/12/2011 10:32

Morning Smile

Venus can I join you in your oasis of calm. Christmas Eve is my most favourite day of the year. Everything is done. Presents all wrapped and under the tree looking tempting, gorgeous cinamon and spicy scented candles are flavouring the room, holly and ivy trailing off the mantlepiece, carols on the stereo. But the very best bit now is knowing that if it ain't done, it's not going to get done now.

For me, Christmas Eve is time for spending with the family, soaking up the atmophere, enjoying the fruits of your labour in, a calm, restful day in anticipation of all the bustle of tomorrow.

Today I will mostly be keeping ds occupied as he is beside himself with excitement. Grin

To those who can't wait for it to be over remember, it is just another day. It can be what we make it. Sending strength to all who need it and love to everyone x Happy Christmas Babes Xmas Grin

TinsellyTinsellyMum · 24/12/2011 10:40

Bproud, MrsM I know exactly where you're coming from. Spending time with my parents is one of my biggest anxieties about Christmas. I know they will be critiquing every single thing me and DH do, and that makes me feel under so much pressure. And the tension will be really hard - they seem to love the awkward silences (i think it makes them think that that atmosphere - the one we grew up in - is normal, and I'm sure they encourage it). And I know that I'm going to feel embarrassed to be affectionate/loving towards my DC as my parents never, ever showed any warmth to us. Remind me why I'm going to so much effort to be a wonderful hostess?! Oh well, it will all be over on 1st. Not too long to go now. Happy Christmas everyone Grin

Saf you were talking about your own mum, not anyone else's...Hope you feel better today.

Mouse hope Nemo is better soon, it must be so hard to see him struggling to sleep when you know he's so tired.

Faire hope you are having a good day. You're right (obviously Grin) about just having to want something enough, or just getting in the right frame of mind. We had friends round last night and I just didn't want to drink too much. I did drink but I drank mindfully (good word Wink), stopped when I should have and drank loads and loads of water whilst I sat back and watched them open another couple of bottles. Like JWN said recently, it's a bit embarrassing watching drunk people...and I wasn't one of them, hurrah!

Hello to all the other brave babes

TinsellyTinsellyMum · 24/12/2011 10:43

X-post Bproud and Faire! That DVD sounds hilarious. Faire I want to be in your house! I am going to aim for all that to be in place at close of play today!

jesuswhatnext · 24/12/2011 10:57

boingady boing boing boing!!!!! Grin Grin Grin

well babes!!! its CHRISTMAS EVE!!! i love it, for all the reasons faire mentioned! like venus im an oasis of calm (apart from bubbling with excitment!)

just a quick thought about parents - my dm is whats known as a 'difficult' woman, i love her dearly, she can be the salt of the earth etc etc, mostly i can get on with her, often though, as much as i love her i dont always like her, she has huge issues in showing emotion, she favours my brothers over me and seems to think that im the same person i was at 15, which of course is hugely irritating - what i do now is make a consious effort to move forward from any negativity she puts around me, for instance, she dosent understand the relationship i have with dd, its a much closer, warmer, more friendly one than i have with dm, she tries to almost belittle it really, so, when she pulls faces at displays of affection i feel determined to carry on with that cuddle/hug/whatever, when she puts me down in front of people i run a mantra through my head, as in 'the only person suffering here is her' etc - i can and do rise above her behaviour - its hard, its sometimes infuriating but it can be done, im determined to break the pattern, i dont ever want dd to feel the same way about me! (dms behaviour was learnt from her toxic upbringing), its also much easier to cope with sober!! Grin

MaryWiselyornotatall · 24/12/2011 11:22

Morning all. Thanks for the enquiry, MrsM. I managed to achieve my drink free evening, and slept really well, and woke up feeling quite bouncy. Fizzy water worked.

However, DS and family have arrived for Christmas, and DS was up in the night being ill. So they have brought with them a stomach bug which they have all had in the last week or so. I had tried to persuade him not to come, but he is still like a little boy, and gets so excited about Christmas that he convinced himself that he would be fine. I am extremely emetophobic, especially as DH has diabetes, so I now feel like drinking a lot to try and make my panic stop. DS2 and family have bailed out as they have a 15 month old to keep healthy, so Christmas is going to be a bit more tricky than I had expected.

I will probably spend much of my day with a big bottle of Domestos, but I am determined to make today one more day when that is the only bottle in my hand. Wish me luck. I am so astonished by the level of support already here, and hope that I can do the same for some of you in time.

AChristmouseTail · 24/12/2011 13:23

Afternoon , tis me, Mouse

Nemo is going to hospital later, they want to check him over. Because of his heart condition and other complications, they are worried that this 'cold' could be much more than that. Especially as he's had it so long. He's in and out of consciousness.

They are so busy they are having to give out slots for you to go. Sad

Saf - I hope that you can manage to get through the day today. Sending you love and strength to get through the hours yet to come xx

MrsM -Pick yourself up and put it behind you. That was yesterday. Thing is, try not to put too much pressure on not drinking. Personally, I find that thinking about it over and over and over makes things magnify much more.

Try to just go with the flow of the day, take it an hour at a time. Just cut yourself some slack lovely xx

Right, I need to keep busy, Nemo is sleeping again so I'm going for a shower. DH is out doing battle with other shoppers. Eeeeeeek! Xmas Grin

Will keep you posted re Nemo.

Merry Christmas Eve Babes xxxxxx

dementedma · 24/12/2011 14:03

oh mouse that is so shite! I hope the little guy is ok and back home soon.
thinking of you and praying all goes well

MaryWiselyornotatall · 24/12/2011 14:18

Best of luck, mouse. There can't be anything worse to deal with. Will be thinking of you.

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