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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - On Their Way To Spread The Festive Cheer, Without The Beer!

999 replies

Mouseface · 24/11/2011 19:53

Hello, I'm mouse.

I have an obsession with drinking, I can't have a drink, not just one..... it has to be more. Always more.

So, I got on the Bus, this Bus, full of Brave Babes who will help and support me all the way. Come say hi, grab a seat and a Brew. We're a real mixed bunch that share one thing without any doubt - alcohol abuse.

And if you want to read about our history, it's HERE

See you on the Bus Smile xx

OP posts:
swallowedAfly · 06/12/2011 07:54

oh mouse Sad you're having a really tough week or two aren't you? as in tougher than usual even. i'm so sorry it's all piling on at once.

i'm presuming your mum is having major personality issues from the MS now, it does come doesn't it. you may think it's not the illness because she was a bit like this before but i think that's how these things work - things that might have been little tendencies or minor quirks start to get exaggerated and out of control as certain inhibitions are lost. i know more about brain injury effects than MS but i thought that does effect the brain, personality and behaviour eventually doesn't it? not saying that makes it any easier btw just that maybe it would help you be able to not take it too personally.

icy roads and cars here (central england) but no sign of snow yet. very brrrrrr!!! though.

had one and a half beers yesterday - just didn't want the second one and ended up leaving it.

thursnowandsleighbells · 06/12/2011 08:58

Morning all,

just checking in on this very cold and wintery morning. Saf, well done on leaving the beer Smile.

Mouse I hope so much that you had some peaceful, and restorative sleep last night. Take care my love xxxx

I hope everyone has good days, speak later
xxxx

notevenaChristmousie · 06/12/2011 11:10

Hi all,

Things are not good here. In a way only an alcoholic can imagine. How??? Hoe could and did it happen, after these weeks and months.

Please pray for my beautiful girl. I will PM details if needed, or wanted, or interested. But to others, alcohol will take us to any, every depth, it is merely waiting, and it waits for you.

I'm an alcoholic and I would put all things before my DD. And I don't want to. Professional qualifications, or money, or faith, aside, this is how it is. I am and will be here for anyone I could help but for now, please pray for my nearly-5-year old. But I drank, and she is gone, because after less than a handful of situations where I was drunk, SS took her. It takes very little, especially as a single mum.

Love to all. x

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 11:24

dd is gone again noteven?

have i missed something? when did you start drinking again and what happened to get ss involved?

please talk - really worried.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 11:28

and i'm sorry to say but feel i have to for any scared lurkers - it really doesn't take very little. ss don't just take kids away because you are a single mum and have had a few drinks. i'm sorry noteven but i wanted that clear.

can't believe i'm going to share this but i actually ended up in hospital after a suicide attempt and of course social services were called and came out and assessed and never did anything further because they could see i was on the right track and would never put ds at risk. i was signed off with no further action to be taken.

i'm sharing that because i don't want people reading to think they can't get help or support for their drinking or ss will take their kids away.

yes these things happen but they aren't the norm and there are usually clear reasons other than just a drinking problem, mental health problem etc.

please don't be afraid to seek help or speak out for fear of ss.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 11:56

should i have that post deleted? maybe it was unwise and unkind - not meant to be. i just had alarm bells go off at the idea of someone desperate lurking and seeing your post noteven and it totally putting them off getting any help.

please babes tell me if i should get it deleted.

AChristmouseTail · 06/12/2011 12:08

Don't get it deleted Saf

Oh dear.

What on earth happened noteven? Has she been taken again because you've been reported or found to be unfit to care for her?

Is this now or are you referring to the past?

Your post reads as if you are drinking right now to be honest.....

If this has happened again then I'm sorry but I feel very sorry for your DD, not you.

What you said about single mothers is totally out of order. The ONLY reason your child is taken away from you is if the person (you in this case) is unfit to care for the child. If there are two parents, then maybe just maybe one parent would get custody but single mothers are no more at risk from losing their child/ren than a family unit.

What on earth has happened?

TinsellyTinsellyMum · 06/12/2011 12:24

Oh no...what on earth happened Noteven? You poor things, you and your DD. Obviously I have no idea what happened but I'm sure no-one feels as bad about it all as you do. You have been so inspiring since I've been here, I am so shocked. Please talk to us. We all care and are worried about it. And your DD too, of course.

I don't think you meant anything by the single mum comment did you? I hope not. Probably just that because you're not living with someone else, your daughter is more vulnerable at the time that you are drinking, is that what you meant? Eg, last night I might have been as drunk as you but because my DH was around the DC were less vulnerable??

I feel sick to my stomach, I cannot imagine what you are going through. I will be thinking of you and your DD xx

obrigada · 06/12/2011 12:29

Hi all, have been lurking but felt I needed to post after post from Noteven, and am a bit confused, have you been drinking for a while, or is this just a once off in the last day or so?

AChristmouseTail · 06/12/2011 12:34

Afternoon Babes - forgot to put that up there, just wanted to respond.....

Crazy busy morning here again, builders, joiners, SALT and Portage here all in one go! My little chaos was like a performing seal! Xmas Grin

Nemo's SALT was so happy with how far he's come along, it's great to hear that he's doing so well.

DH is still full of germs, DD has a cough and I'm running on empty after another sleepless night. Hey ho, it's not long now until we'll have a break from visits and a restful week of over eating and wearing my PJs!

Saf - what you saod about my mother is spot on actually. The older I get, the worse she gets because I think she just lets herself be who she has become if that makes any sense at all?

So when I was younger, she'd hide her illness as not to worry me or the family. Now I'm older, and further away I guess, she just lets it out.

I can imagine how much pain etc she is in, she has memory issues and loss of sensation too so I can empathise there, it's the nasty jibes and cutting remarks that seem to be 'new' to me.

Her illness does effect her, no doubt. I remember the artical that you sent me about the study that had been done on patients with MS, I still have it somewhere but you are right, the worse her illness is, the worse she is and the saddest thing is, I bet she doesn't realise that she's doing it.

Or at least I hope that's the case. Sad I'd hate it if she was using it as an excuse to tell me what she thinks about my 'waste of space BIL, vile sister, lazy brother, PITA father....'

It's hard to listen to at times and I guess little and often is all I can cope with. Families eh? Xmas Grin

Thusro - thank you for your message xx

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 12:38

she mentions at least a handful of times drunk again.

i think something was meant by the single parent/doesn't take much comment sadly. what was meant was an utter denial and parceling off of the blame - re: it's not my fault or anything i did, i barely did anything and ss just took her away because i'm a single parent.

that thinking won't help noteven. i am sure AA must cover denial and blaming others for own mistakes and the utter road to ruin that blame, denial and self pity takes you on as opposed to ownership and honesty with oneself at the very least.

if i read your post right you have been drinking again and have been very drunk on several occassions and have been witnessed as such and reported - i would guess that you were drunk with dd in tow. the reality is - because you have to face it if you want to nail this: you had already had dd taken into care because you were unfit to look after her, you have just recently gotten her back so of course you are very much on ss's radar as they are watching to see if you have changed and will put dd's care and safety first or will go back to putting getting pissed ahead of her wellbeing. despite knowing all of this you have chosen to put getting pissed first (unless i'm misreading your post) the outcome (ss taking her back into care) is absolutely 100% predictable. you did this - no one else.

i will support you if you want to try and sort it out but no one can support denial and you will get nowhere that way.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 12:41

yeah i'm sure we read about how once it sets in on the brain it takes away inhibitions and some sufferers become really changed or exaggerated in their faults - unreasonableness, outspokeness, aggression etc. massive personality changes. so it's not necessarily that she's pissed off/tired/in pain therefore being a cowbag but could actually be that the disease is now effecting her this way - attacking her personality and who she is now rather than just her body itms. we'll look it all up again if you like x

glad you've got all those 'experts' out of your house now Grin hope the afternoon is more peaceful

AChristmouseTail · 06/12/2011 12:46

Was that ^ to me Saf re my mum? As per you are right, thank you. Xmas Smile

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 13:03

mouse: "this personality change (which is, they say, characterized by elevated neuroticism and reduction in empathy, agreeableness and conscientiousness) is due to 'a neurogenic frontal lobe syndrome.'"

from personality change (which is, they say, characterized by elevated neuroticism and reduction in empathy, agreeableness and conscientiousness) is due to 'a neurogenic frontal lobe syndrome.' this which also has a link to a good study paper on personality disorder in MS patients.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 13:04

what?? sorry.

the link is here

notevenaChristmousie · 06/12/2011 13:05

Sadly, only once, I asked someone from my family to take DD, they phoned SS, and now DD is in care. It takes VERY little, once you are in the system. If people - a partner, family, etc - will take responsibility - then it is totally different. As soon as I phoned school, it has happened from there and I am not allowed to collect her. You can believe, of course, what you like.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 13:07

what's to believe or disbeliever noteven? your dd was given back to you on the condition you weren't drinking and you drank again to the point of not being able to take care of her.

nothing to believe or disbelieve there is there? nothing surprising or shocking or suggesting that ss have done something wrong is there?

and i can't think why you said 'a handful of occassions if you meant just one'.

it isn't VERY little to get pissed knowing that your dd has already been taken into care once because of your drinking. that is not VERY little. do not minimise it because you will do yourself no favours.

notevenaChristmousie · 06/12/2011 13:25

yes, true.
Off to hospital. And here, and love to all.

AChristmouseTail · 06/12/2011 13:32

noteven - I'm sorry but I'm not going to post in response to your posts about losing your daughter any further. I can't support you until you are willing to support yourself. I have my own very selfish reasons, and as I have said in the past, this is all too close to home.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 06/12/2011 13:52

good luck at the hospital noteven. will you be going to a meeting today?

obrigada · 06/12/2011 14:12

Noteven, best of luck at the hospital.

TinsellyTinsellyMum · 06/12/2011 14:16

Good luck, noteven.

Thinking of everyone today

jesuswhatnext · 06/12/2011 14:58

afternoon all Smile sorry to hear your trials and tribulations mouse! fwiw i think saf could be right about your mum and the MS, i have a friend with MS, when having a bad time of it she becomes a very different person, pretty nasty actually, when back on an even keel i believe her when she says she cant really remember the previous few weeks and her behaviour, im certain she isnt using the illnes as an excuse to be horrible, maybe your poor old mum is the same?

noteven, of course i feel sorry for you, i wouldnt wish alcoholism on anyone but honestly, you really have to get a fucking grip! stop blaming other people, YOU drank, YOU made that choice, the person who called SS had NO choice, they had to put your daughters safety first, mainly because you didnt want to! - you have been so well, you plainly enjoyed getting sober and obviously enjoyed life with your daughter - now its up to you, no one else! - if i can help you i will, but i cant support you while you blame all and sundry, it has fuck all to do with being a single parent and everything to do with being a drunk!

AChristmouseTail · 06/12/2011 15:15

It does seem to be the case doesn't it with illness JWN, I hope she's not doing it on purpose, sorry to hear about your friend xx

venusandChristMARS · 06/12/2011 15:31

Afternoon to all Babes.

noteven I truly hope that you can get over this occasion of drinking, and get back to stable sobriety. You must be reeling from the consequences, but the important thing NOW is not to let those emotions push you back into a regular drinkiing habit. You can start that today. Please join me, TODAY I WILL NOT BE DRINKING.

mouseface it must be so lovely for everyone involved with nemo's care to see him progressing, even if that brings with it other irritations. Did your portage manage to give you any communication ideas for the hitting?

I'll be back later this evening. xx

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