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How much power does a mother in law have to kill off her sons marriage?

57 replies

separationroad · 16/11/2011 16:50

My husband loves his mum. He also has a degree of disrespect for her. It goes deep. She left his father when he was about 13 years old for another man and took her son (my husband) and daughter with her. That new relationship failed. I get the vague idea there were a few more failed relationships after that before she met the person she is currently with (and has been with for 20 odd years) an elderly gentleman about 10 years her senior, well off and I perceive a "safe bet" (i.e. she can control him). He has proposed marriage to her but she has constantly refused because I guess she likes her independence and her own house - all fair enough. Husband has never talked in detail about the time apart from that he hates her for breaking up the family and I read between the lines that she lent on my husband as a boy a bit as the man in the house. Certainly my husband has historically said he is just like his mum and nothing like his dad although he says this less now. He despises his dad more for being weak but I dont even want to go into that one as to why (here or in my mind).

I used to get on ok with her (MIL), I would almost say I used to get on well with her. However since I had our second child I have not got on well with my husband who essentially withdrew from me (anticipating that a second baby 18 months after our first would be a lot of work). he left me to it and has kind of admitted it since. Weeks before the birth he bought an album called "separation road" by a swedish songwriter (wallander) and listened to it obsessively. I felt isolated. I may have had postnatal depression, I certainly felt like i was out there being a mum on my own.
My son our second child is now 18 months old. Since his birth my husband has had several conversations with his mum finding fault with me. Laziness, failure to keep house to standard, keeping a very tight reign on money (money is short admittedly) and (bizarrely but I admit it!!) that I drink too much tea (desparate for the caffine in the sleep deprived days).

My husband listened to her. This has not helped the poor communication between me and my husband.

MIL came to stay with us for christmas every christmas since I have known husband. Last year was ok but moments of great strain - our house feeling small with two children under 2 years, MIL and her gentleman friend, looks of horror on MIL face seeing me changing nappies (I think she wanted me to do it behind closed doors etc). She has never been overtly confrontational but little things like she is totally against breastfeeding and fairly regularly talks about being woken by crying babies in the night.

My question is - how much power does a MIL have to break up a marriage? Some does I think my MIL has a lot of power to do it and she might just eventually manage that.

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 16/11/2011 16:55

She only has as much power as your DH wants to give her. He's a grown man, don't go blaming her for his decisions.

knitpicker · 16/11/2011 16:56

Didn't want to read and run but there are so many issues in your post - I would say park the MIL issues and deal with DH as you need to get your relationship back on course. Any chance you could let MIL babysit while you and DH go for dinner together? (I'm guessing that's a no)
Hang in there.

Redrubyblue · 16/11/2011 16:58

She has as much power as you want to give her. Your house, your husband, your children, your rules.

separationroad · 16/11/2011 16:58

Oldlady you are right
So what do i do if she wants to see him? At the moment I am expressly saying i am happy for him to see her and for our children to see her (although I am less keen to see her myself). I dont want to be criticised for preventing relationships between her and her son/grandchildren. But i know she does not like me so i dont particularly want to see her myself. is this reasonable

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 16/11/2011 17:00

Totally reasonable if you don't want to see her but are OK with your DH and DC seeing her. I don't particularly like the woman who is set to marry my DS next year to be honest, but keep quiet about it because it's none of my business.

separationroad · 16/11/2011 17:01

knitpicker
been out for lunch (only time we can get childcare) twice since the second baby was born 18 months ago.
both times were nice but fairly rushed
trouble is husband has to pay. he hates paying. i have no money as at the moment i am in debt (and getting more in debt until january when gov grant nursery fees for my 3 year old first child kicks in at which point i will be back in the black working my 4 day per week job)
so i cannot pay for my husband and myself to go out for lunch, even if he did not think it was a waste of money

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Bonsoir · 16/11/2011 17:04

"She has as much power as you want to give her. Your house, your husband, your children, your rules."

I agree with this, but... some mothers and some mothers-in-law are very determined/manipulative and make life for their children or children-in-law horribly unpleasant when they don't comply with their wishes. It can take a lot of foot stamping in order to make an adult child who is used to his/her parent getting his/her own way with his/her child stop giving in to emotional manipulation.

ChitChattingElf · 16/11/2011 17:09

Hang on, YOU are getting in debt? Why are you getting in debt but your DH has money????

Alarm bells ringing here.

sfxmum · 16/11/2011 17:12

what do you mean you are getting into debts? isn't he stepping up? isn't the money and expenses shared according to income?

OrmIrian · 16/11/2011 17:13

Your husband is the problem. MIL is not the main issue.

jellybeans · 16/11/2011 17:18

MILs only have the power if the DH lets them or is scared of mum. Mine was abit like that (it was hell at first) until he stood up to her. I have had MIL issues for over 16 years but the last 5 years or so we have got on great. But I won't accept crap of her anymore-neither will DH. My MIL sounds simelar to yours with the criticising etc.

I would stop having them for Xmas. I never had mine as we didnt get on, we wanted a relaxing Xmas. We saw them Xmas eve or Boxing day. Give her less priviledges like that while she is rude and more when she is nice. If she wants it to be a nice atmosphere she has to treat you nicely.

snuffaluffagus · 16/11/2011 17:25

This is more about your husband than your mother in law I'm afraid.

Firstly, why haven't you got shared finances? It shouldn't his/hers money and a load of resentment!

Secondly, you don't need to go out to dinner/lunch, you could cook something and have a meal together whilst the kids are being looked after?

Obviously it must be a great strain to have her niggling at you and critising you and for him not to be standing up to her, but she would probably stop if he told her to - the question is, why hasn't he?

separationroad · 16/11/2011 17:26

yes money is a problem
it is desparate
this time last year (13 nov) i asked husband to change our finances to reflect the fact that nursery fees for 2 under 3yrs are crippling. historically we have both earnt a fairly good salary but i downsized to have children. he refused to change our finances. so he puts all of his spare cash into a savings account which i do have access to but have to use a joint password to access
so i have given up on that and just trying to get through till january2012 to get out of debt and get my finances back on track. in the meantime so far as i can see he does not waste any money himself and saves everything (albeit into a number of savings accounts including the above joint account - which i am aware of but which are not joint).
i have never pushed the finances thing too much as he was extremely defensive this time last year. maybe he thinks if he contributes 50% to a joint account pot as a contribution for childcare it would make it easier for me to up and go like his mum (as if, i am hardly in that position even if i wanted to be which i dont). all i know is he is passionately against it and i guess wants me to take money out of his savings account "if i want to". he was extremely concerned about cash when i was on maternity leave. even now he goes through any receipts from asda to make sure i have taken advantage of any supermarket offers and not wasted money
i dont know. yes i am staring at a massive overdraft every day.

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separationroad · 16/11/2011 17:29

jellybeans the trouble is she lives on her own (her choice as, as stated above she does not want to get married or move in with gentleman friend). my husband has always invited her and i have been laid back about it. historically have got on ok with her. now it feels all much harder. husband pays the mortgage. husband probably wants to invite her. mil probably wants to see the children. i am petrified of mil but i want husband to see his mother as i want him to make the decision for himself. i also do not want to with hold children from mil although if she starts criticising mychildren i will find it hard not to take it personally

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 16/11/2011 17:29

It is foolish to be racking up interest and charges on an overdraft when there are savings (probably earning bugger-all by way of interest, and being eroded by inflation anyway.)

Take money from the joint account to pay off your OD, and as much as you need every month to cover childcare. He really should be contributing to that anyway.

Hassled · 16/11/2011 17:30

This isn't about your mIL at all, really, is it? Your DH is an adult with free will and his own opinions - if he's finding fault then that's him finding fault, not your MIL making him find fault. SHe may put the thought there, but he's the one running with it. If your marriage ends, it will be between the two of you, not her.

The money thing is weird. Your DCs' nursery costs are a joint outgoing, not just your problem.

separationroad · 16/11/2011 17:39

OldLady you are right. What do i do about the fact that he has historically (and still does sometimes) made announcements about people who don't earn money shouldnt spend it but he is insitent that I remain at work notwithstanding that my salary currently does not cover my childcare bill. He also regularly talks about other peoples wives spending money "like it is going out of fashion". I am scared to spend money certainly under his watch

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 16/11/2011 17:42

Do you really want to stay with this man? He sounds... unpleasant.

knitknack · 16/11/2011 17:48

But you are a team - why on earth is he not paying for childcare? Why is that your responsibility?? You are married and have children, he longer has his OWN money, neither do you, you are a family and anyway, if you have debt he's liable for it too - it doesn't make any sense to carry debt (and pay for it) if you have savings... You really need to sort this out - it's obviously about so much more than your mother in law, you're giving her a lot of power when actually it seems that the problem is your husband.

knitknack · 16/11/2011 17:49

'he NO longer has his OWN money' sorry

keynesian · 16/11/2011 17:54

A MIL, FIL, Mother or Father only have as much power as her offspring allow her to have.

crazyhead · 16/11/2011 18:03

Your DH sounds totally unreasonable - and at the very least as though he needs some sort of counselling or other help to help him deal with his feelings about his mother/wives in general.

Why should you have money withheld because it would make it easier for you to run off? That's what his mother did - not you! If your MIL is a problem, it sounds more as though her emotional legacy is the real issue here - but as a grown man your DH needs to deal with his past like the rest of us and frankly grow up a bit!

StuckForWords · 16/11/2011 18:04

This isn't a marriage, this is two people living in the same house with some children.

You're supposed to be a team.

snuffaluffagus · 16/11/2011 18:42

all that money business is a bit weird if I'm honest..

ChitChattingElf · 16/11/2011 18:46

They are HIS children too, so why isn't he paying for childcare as well? When a wife stays at home to look after the children it is a choice that COUPLES make as to who should stay at home and the remaining income is treated as FAMILY money. If you weren't with him, you would be entitled to some benefits, more tax credits etc.

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