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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Blowing Away The Booze In The Autumn Breeze.

999 replies

Mouseface · 21/09/2011 12:22

Hello.

Welcome to The Brave Babes Battle Bus. Smile

I'm mouse and I have an abusive relationship with alcohol. I can't have just the one drink, ever.

I'm not alone here, there are Babes who are sober and have been for some time, Babes who are still drinking and trying their best to stop or cut down and then there are Babes who aren't ready to stop drinking. Yet.

So, why not come and say hi?

No judgy pants allowed on here I'm afraid, cakes and cheeses are! Grin

And for those who want to know a bit more about the Bus, HERE is our journey so far.

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BrawToken · 29/09/2011 08:48

p.s. does anyone else breathe a sigh of relief tinged with frustration at 10pm when they know they can no longer buy alcohol?

helpmenow · 29/09/2011 09:41

That sense of relief resonates with me.

As a recovering alcoholic who, one day at a time, has not had a drink for 20 months I feel relieved all the time

I know that if I keep mindful of my sobriety, which for me means attending AA, I need never have a drink again.

helpmenow · 29/09/2011 09:41

The return key is a bit random.

Sorry!

JWIM · 29/09/2011 09:46

Hi everyone.
I post very occasionally, but follow the bus regularly and it is one of the main ways of maintaining my sobriety. It has made my life, and that of others around me (as a bonus) so much better. Ms Gee your post made me laugh out loud - I so empathise. I was given a spa 'treat' that involved a massage with 30 mins wrapped up. I spent the entire time listening to the 'relaxing music' to count the tracks having assumed each ran for approx 3 mins so I knew roughly when my torture relaxation would come to an end.

helpmenow · 29/09/2011 09:49

Hi JWIM.

I'm also a lurker/occasional poster.

Like you I've felt this bus really helpful in maintaining my sobriety- the fact that 24 hours a day I can connect to others on the same bus is wonderful!

MIFLAW · 29/09/2011 10:24

MYODD - "But all sorts of people have addictions to all sorts of substances - nicotine, heroin, prescription drugs, sugar, crack, alcohol, and so on and so on. And all sorts of people decide to stop indulging in those substances and do so." I think you would be surprised at how rarely this is actually the case - especially with alcohol, heroin and cocaine. Even with nicotine, which EVERYONE is now telling us to give up on, the number of people who "just stop" (as opposed to the number of people who SAY they "just stopped") is small. If in doubt, ask them, and then ask them for more details about their answer.

Anyway, very glad to see you back.

MIFLAW · 29/09/2011 10:41

"No need to declare themselves powerless and in the grip of a 'disease'. On the contrary, addicts need more than anything to believe in their own power to control their own actions."

We may be talking at cross purposes here. You see, for me, it was only WHEN I started treating my alcoholism as an illness (for me, a mental illness which means my perceptions are skewed - but an illness nonetheless) that I started taking responsibility and STOPPED copping out.

All the time I tried to control my drinking, I failed to do so. But that was okay - at least I'd tried, eh? So if I got drunk, it was just bad luck. The wine was stronger than I'd thought. Or I must be run down to get that drunk after just six pints. Or it was your fault for encouraging me to have that last drink. Or what was I to do after the rotten day I'd had? I'd tried so hard that if I got drunk it couldn't POSSIBLY be my fault. Hey ho - better luck next time. And after all, no one had REALLY got hurt, had they? HAD they?

Although I believe that my drink problem is a purely mental illness, the most useful analogy for me (and it is just an analogy) is diabetes. It's an illness, okay - but the point is that I can only use the illness as an excuse AS LONG AS I DON'T KNOW I HAVE IT. Once I find out the truth about myself then no more excuses. I know I have a problem and I can't wish it away, rationalise it away, think it away or even make it go away by the power of my will alone.

Still, it hasn't killed me yet; now it's down to me to make sensible choices to manage it because it would be dangerous and selfish not to do so.

How do I do that? First thing for me with my alcoholism is to stay away from a drink. Only problem is, because my mind is twisted where alcohol is concerned, I know that willpower alone won't cut it - sooner or later, my mind will play tricks on me and tell me that this time will be different. Solution - seek help from others who've been there and LISTEN TO THEM.

Next thing - why did I drink? Maybe if I can sort that out, the need to drink will decrease. Well, when I take a good hard look at myself, it turns out I wasn't always such a nice guy. I feel a lot of guilt around that, and I know guilt makes me drink. Maybe I should start putting that right? What about the shame I feel about stuff I did, drunk or sober? Perhaps I can address that too? What about my shyness? How can I sort that out?

So you see, for me, it was the acknowledgement that I had a problem and that I couldn't wish it away - I call it a mental illness, because I did literally mad things where drink was concerned, and the evidence of the past was never enough to stop me doing it again - that BEGAN my responsibility towards myself and others.

How does that explanation sit with you?

MIFLAW · 29/09/2011 10:44

"What I'm going to do is write myself a list of all the reasons I don't want to drink, ever. My lovely children will be at the top. Whenever I know there will be a situation where I am tempted to drink I am going to read that list. I am going to give myself a bloody stern talking to. I can do this - because if other people can then I can too."

My sponsor (sort of) used to say, "the tears of my children never stopped me drinking." He was an exceptionally strong and determined man who, when I knew him, had been sober for over 10 years.

Hope you are stronger than he was.

Scoundrel · 29/09/2011 10:49

Hi BrawToken Smile AA isn't a class Grin I quite like that idea though because you do learn a lot. Do they stop selling alcohol at 10pm in scotland? My local tesco is open 24/7 so I could buy alcohol at any time if I chose to (and I did chose too a lot Hmm ) In fact, the only time I wouldn't be able to buy any would between the hours of 10pm on a Sunday and 8am on Monday morning.

I'm jumping in here this morning because I've been isolating myself again and I need to get out of my own head. Hope you're all having a nice morning!

MIFLAW · 29/09/2011 11:03

Legalalien

South Lambeth Road lined with Portuguese cafes. Also a couple in Brixotn too - depends where exactly you mean by Stockwell.

dementedma · 29/09/2011 13:11

welcome brawtoken
I'm in Scotland too.

Mouseface · 29/09/2011 13:49

Afternoon Babes Smile

Another glorious day here. So sunny and warm. Really lifts my spirits (in a non alcoholic sense) and makes me want to go for walks!

Stay & Play was fun but very busy so I have a very tired little Nemo lay on the sofa next to me, bless.

Thank you once again for all of the fabulous support that I got from this Bus yesterday.

I STAYED SOBER! So TODAY, DAY 8, I WILL NOT BE DRINKING.

Welcome back BrawToken Smile

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thursomuchtolookforwardto · 29/09/2011 13:57

Hi Ma

How are you today. Did you spend much time in DD's room last night?

Yaay, my keyboard isn't doing funny stuff!

Venus Extra big hug for DD please, and pass it on! I don't know what happened to me yesterday afternoon, my mood just slowly slipped, and slipped and then I was very sad and crying. Another day I might have posted, but, there was a lot going on here yesterday, and I felt that my sadness wasn't valid, if you know what I mean.

Although, I would jump on anyone else who said that, and say "of course your feelings are valid, they are your feelings."

Do as I say, not as I do, I guess Blush.

However, mindful of "poor me, poor me, pour me another" (thanks MIF), and despite a fairly loud screaming from the demon, I had an early bath, and early bed.

I like the idea of starting each day as day one, each day is a success then!, crikey, I've obviously moved on a bit since last October.... slowly, slowly does it Grin.

Anyway, if I get taken that way at about 5pm tonight I will come on and drivel, if that's ok.

Silver How are you today, let us know how things are, and keep posting Smile.

Hope the sun is shining on you all.
Many blessings, my friends xxxx

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 29/09/2011 13:57

Hello Mousie Grin xxx

Mouseface · 29/09/2011 14:04

Hey you Smile

I'm trying to keep up but I seem to have a but of trouble at the moment so please all excuse me if I don't remember everything!

DD has been to the Orthodontist today, braces for at least 3 years bless her.

I had them for 7+ years so not as bad as me and she happy to have them as she doesn't like how she looks Sad

Other than that, life is bloody great.

Sorry to see you feeling low thurso , chip up lovely. Things will soon settle I'm sure. Lots going on with you and your emotions no doubt over the last few weeks.

Take you time to settle into the new routine. Take time for YOU for a change xx

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monkeytail · 29/09/2011 14:10

Hi babes,

I'm new... I'm not sure what to say, so I seem to have blurted out most everything in this post. I hope that is okay, and I'm really sorry if it's not. I've read bits and bobs on this thread before, but haven?t posted anything. I?m not sure why I?m posting. But here goes.

I drink quite a lot, often a bottle of wine a night. Most days I wake up with caffeine and resolutions to not drink today. Around 3pm I start thinking of all the reasons why I could/should/might have a drink. The craving starts at about 4.30pm and lasts until about 8.30pm. If I haven?t had a drink by 9pm I feel relieved, and go to bed sober. Fairly regularly, I manage to not drink for a few days. A few times I?ve managed a week or two, and once I didn?t drink for a month. After a period of being sober I usually binge.

For the first week after stopping I have headaches, find it difficult to get to sleep and generally just feel a bit off-centre. If I make it to over a week, I start feeling better, but find the sudden intensity of emotions very hard to cope with.

Drinking affects my life in small, subtle ways that only I notice, as opposed to an all out car crash that would require immediate action. My work productivity is low. I really hate the 3am wakefulness. Sometimes I say stupid things and cringe the next day. I notice that I?m much more present with my kids on the days when I?m not hungover, and that they respond positively to this. I have about 40% of the energy I need to live my life. I lack the motivation to exercise. I feel disorganised and exhausted and down on myself. I catch every cold. I feel as though I?m constantly breaking promises to look after myself better. I have an upset tummy most of the time. I worry about my health.

Today I felt quite weak and confused (and I?m sorry if this post is naive and self-pitying and annoying as I suspect it might be). But it feels good just to have written it all this down and gotten ?on the bus?. Until now the only conversation I?ve had with myself has gone along the lines of ?Don?t be silly. Of course you don?t have a problem. Don?t be so dramatic. What would your friends think? Just don?t drink so much and stop being so self-indulgent...? So far, this punitive self-advice has reliably been proven unhelpful.

I want to feel better.

Going to hit post now.

Here goes.

Any moment now.

With gratitude x

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 29/09/2011 14:11

Mmm, I am trying to get into a different routine.

Guess what, someone I swim with occasionally in the mornings asked me to have a coffee afterwards, and him a much younger superfit snowboarder!! I wonder if he felt sorry for me Hmm.

jesuswhatnext · 29/09/2011 14:13

nah thurso!!! he wanted to get in your knickers!!! Grin

hello monkey! nice to meet you!

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 29/09/2011 14:15

Hello Monkeytail, and welcome Smile,

You are in a good place here, and you have made the start.

Yup, conversations with yourself can have you going round and round in circles, when one knows what the answer is, really.

What do you want to do?
xx

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 29/09/2011 14:15

Grin JWN, at my age?!

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 29/09/2011 14:16

Perhaps I'm giving off "new stage of my life" vibes Grin.

venusandmars · 29/09/2011 14:17

jesus Shock !!!

Hello monkey and well done for posting. I remember how scared I felt the first time I actually dared to post about my drinking - it was like I could no longer pretend to myself that things were OK. A lot of what you post sounds like me - I would have called myself a funtioning alcoholic, but when I look back I can see that I was seriously underperforming an area of my life.

JWIM · 29/09/2011 14:17

Welcome Monkeytail. You could be me last year - this bus is for everyone and there is nothing naive or annoying about what you have written.

So, for today, what is your plan for when the whisper in your ear starts? What will you drink, eat, do with your hands/mind to see you through to 9 pm?

venusandmars · 29/09/2011 14:18

underperforming in EVERY area of my life (not just in one)

Silver66 · 29/09/2011 14:28

Hey Babes - just checking in - busy at work but still here Grin x