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My in-laws are the biggest Fuckwits ever. Official.

77 replies

MrBloomEatsVeggies · 01/07/2011 21:17

Just needed to get that out into the ether. Feel better now. Well, actually, I don't, but you know....

Anyone else want to join me on the 'My in-laws are tosser's' bus?

OP posts:
DumSpiroSpero · 02/07/2011 08:40

My FIL is fine. As for MIL - let's just say she's not someone I would have any kind of relationship with were I not married to her son. We have totally different outlook on life, which is fine in itself, but unfortunately she is 'never wrong' and extremely interfering and DH is not the best at telling her where to get off.

In the last 18 months she has spent several thousand pounds on work being done on our house (or her son's house as I suspect she sees it) with very little consultation with me (dh has just let her get on with it). She then had the bloody nerve to ask me if she'd be getting a slice of my inheritance by way of recompense when my parents snuff it Shock.

DumSpiroSpero · 02/07/2011 08:41

Mum - I think I'd have to emigrate if I were in your shoes. Our house is on MIL's route to work and God knows that's bad enough!

bamboobutton · 02/07/2011 08:42

my fil threw a wobbler at me and started trashing furniture in front of 3yo ds who now keeps saying 'grandad kill me'.

how's that for fuckwittery?

inmysparetime · 02/07/2011 08:55

Wow! I thought my MIL was annoying but there are some real contenders here!
My in laws are retired so come the 200 miles each month to see not the kids but just DH. When he was hospitalised they asked If they could help with anything, as long as it wasn't cooking or taking the kids to school or picking them up. Now really, what else would I need help with?
While I'm on a good rant, MIL ordered a beef & ginger dish from the Chinese, then took every single piece of ginger out ( from her mouth!) and put them at the side of her plate. She said it was "too gingery". After dinner I offered her biscuits, but not the ginger ones. She kicked off that I "refused her the ginger biscuits" and argued that everyone knows she loves ginger!

Chipotle · 02/07/2011 08:55

Good lord... Mine aren't so bad after all. They drive me nuts but compared with yours they're saints.

ledkr · 02/07/2011 09:03

People will be on here lter to tell us we are horrible and we should love our pil and we will be mils one day etc etc.Here goes.

Came to our us only wedding,meant my family were left out even tho thats what i wanted iyswim.

Come and "visit" us on holidays often driving hours to get there.

Invite themselves to stay often.This involves turning up on Friday evening and satying untill sunday about 7pm,bringing nothing and expecting 3 meals a day with absolutley no contribution to buy or prepare for them.Dont lift a finger even when i was recovering from cvs,heavily pregnant or just given birth.

Have bought absolutely nothing for baby,first grandchild.didnt even bring a gift for baby shower which was timed specifically so they would be here.

Expected to stay with us when i cam out of hospital 2 days post section.Were told no so manipulated a "visit" to try and stay.When dh told mil they needed to go as i wasnt up to overnight guests she kicked off and said they were hungry then sate food he prepared for them from the freezer i had stocked up pre baby. I was sat on the sofa crying at the time.Id been home an hour. They left at 10.30,i didnt get to bed untill 12. Baby was then rushed back in with cleft palate and pnuemonia and they came nowhere near us for the 2 weeks she was in,rang dh but not once rang my moble to ask how i was feeling sat at her bedside 24hrs a day.
I ended up with pnd because of this.

Came to visit as soon as she was well again but still did nothing,asked for food and majorly overstayed despite me having visitors when they should have been gone-sunday evening.

My relationship with them is permanently damaged. We have to lie about holidays and pretend to go out when we need them to leave.
I am on mat leave and find it very expensive to feed them for a whole weekend as they are very greedy-fil has 3 cerals in his bowl for breakfast-They dont even wash a cup up. They will sadly not have the contact that they would have done had they just done as we asked.

Oh yes,and i am a mil. I adore my dil,we see each other all the time,i would count her as a dear friend as would she.

MamaLaMoo · 02/07/2011 12:03

Just let me get this off my chest, MIL possibly has a personality disorder, posted earlier this week about it. Divorced from lovely FIL - luckily for him.

Examples of self absorbed bitch behaviour - meeting me at train station with DH for first time looping her arm through his, turning her back and walking off chatting to him without even acknowledging my presence, didn't say hello to me at any of first 4 meetings with her, not saying a word to me on our wedding day, refusing to hold our new baby DD when my DH tried to hand her over, in fact refusing to touch her on the grounds that she was too stressed after seeing her mother, spent next 20 mins going on about her mother before leaving, never held the baby. DH very hurt. Then spent every single visit for a year or more by talking incessantly about her problems and ignoring any baby related news until she was done, she has to be centre of attention you see.

Then we get to the illegal stuff - Siphoning off her own mothers money into a separate bank account in her name while acting as power of attorney so it would end up as inheritance and not go into paying fees for care home.

Point blank refusing to follow instructions regarding care of DD in fact doing the opposite and demanding we justify our stance to her, sulking for weeks and refusing to answer any phone calls then denying she has done anything of the sort, fabricating illness to postpone a trip to see her as revenge because we had arranged the day of the visit. Ignoring my father's heart attack the evening before DD christening (said nothing to me about it never mind condolences) and made the whole day about her angst about seeing ex then slagged me off about being a bit "snippy" with her, I told her it didn't matter if strawberries had the stalks in! That was snippy. Bitch.

Never praises or compliments anyone even own children, enjoys hearing about others suffering, every phone call has bitchy news about other people, makes "jokes" which involve tormenting others, brags about everything, competitively parents with us - she even knows how to do jigsaws with DD better than we do! Acts the martyr, "I really love you and always will, but..." is a favourite opening line in emails to DH, thinks she has been deprived of her proper station in life, used genealogy websites to find her aristocratic ancestors and lets everyone know about them. All very subtle of course.

And the barmy stuff - she knows apparently where Madeline McCann is but won't say, FIL apparently assaulted her in a restaurant (in front of DH and SIL who saw nothing) and when she told the police post-divorce they said she would have to go to France in hiding which is why she hasn't pressed charges. She has psychic abilities and just "knows" stuff blah blah you get the idea.

Sorry this is long, I have no one else to describe the madness to.

ledkr · 02/07/2011 14:47

mama the walking off with linked arms reminded me of mil suggesting "will me and mr ledkr walk on with the baby cos you are slow" this was as we left the maternity ward,i was slow cos id had a section ShockI have to let off on mn sometimes,i dont think anyone knows how it is unless they have one.

33goingon64 · 02/07/2011 15:21

Ledkr, your MIL and FIL sound hideously selfish... But... Is it possible they are not aware of the effect they have? Is there any point in DH and you sitting them down to discuss how their behaviour makes you and your DH feel? Just an idea, maybe you have tried...

twinmummy24 · 02/07/2011 15:57

think mine may take the Biscuit
my DH was engaged to someone called claire before me and because my MIL liked her better she insisted on calling me claire for the first few years i was with my hubby Shock
also when we were TTC she would ring and just ask "are you pregnant yet?" when i answered the phone.
lets just say she is not my favourite person!

hubbard86 · 02/07/2011 16:40

my fil is just as bad.
At 36wks pregnant, sent me an email saying he was gonna "sort me out" as my dh was a prisoner in his home and was never allowed to go and see him, that i should never have got pregnant as i trapped his son and am a terrible mother. The stress from which landed me back in hospital. He has not even phoned his son to congratulate him on his daughter who is now over 4 months. Women to him are second class and have no standing, he is racist and rude. I see how much it breaks dh's heart that his own father is so self centered and not bothered about dh's life. If it was my decision, he would be cut out completly forever, but it's not so i can only hope one day dh will realise he's not worth the heartache.

lazarusb · 02/07/2011 16:50

Mine are just fucking ignorant, selfish and devoid of personality. Grin I needed that, thank you OP.

TyDontWannaMissAthing · 02/07/2011 17:16

Mine are unique.
They lied about dh and I losing our house for 5 years, it turned out they had tricked dh into signing the house over to his brothers, dh was near a breakdown and trusted his parents Hmm
They summoned dh and I round at 10pm, saying they had a present for dh, my mum had to babysit my 2 dc, dd was only 2 months old, the present was some clothes for dh and a big bollocking and demeaning exercise saying how awful my dh looked and that he needed to make more effort with his appearance, as in clothes and hair cuts, we were very skint and the dc were our main concern, so neither of us gave a fuck that our clothes were out of shape, plus it was 2 weeks before christmas!
I had a week long court thing, due to being sexually abused all my childhood, dh was my fiance at the time, and wanted to be with me, but his parents had booked a holiday for us both and all his siblings, we said we couldnt go, so when dh was at work she came round and laid into me, shouting that her precious son should go on holiday and leave me at the house and court on my own Hmm
Also when it came out about losing the house 5 years ago, they didnt speak to me for 2 years till ds was born as they were worried they wouldnt see him.
One night regarding losing the house again, pils made dh very ill and an ambulance was called, he was given conditions in which they would help him save the house, one being me 'fucking off back to' where I used to live ' and dont come back' and me getting rid of my 2 dogs and obviously no wedding which was booked for 2 months later.
We are only in contact now due to the dc but we still flare up, there is loads more but I cant remember them all atm, It is weird, I know they cant stand me, but love the dc so put up with me. It is not a nice way to live to tbh :(

UnlikelyAmazonian · 02/07/2011 17:16

When exh ran away to fuck whores abandoning me and 6 mo old ds, MIL said to me wisely (Hmm) 'well, he is a man of the world'

When I told her a short while afterwards that he had definitely been shagging whores and thieving and lying and would she like to see the emails that prove it? she said 'I wouldnt read them'

Oh, and when ds was born and she came to visit us in hospital, she insisted on calling ds 'Hector'

which wasn't and still isn't his fucking name.

Angry

thank god i have nothing to do with any of em!

TyDontWannaMissAthing · 02/07/2011 17:22

Oh and they wanted me to get rid of my car, which I bought with my compensation money from the court. Why would I of sold my car, rehomed my dogs and cancelled my wedding and still have no fiance and house at the end of it. In the end, dh asked my mum if we could move in, I still had to rehome 1 dog sadly and cancel the wedding, but kept the car, and 2 weeks after 'losing' the house i passed my test.
It was only admitted to me in April this year that they had let us become homeless, live in one bedroom with ds who is now 3 and dd who is now 9 months but helped there other dc buy our house.

ledkr · 02/07/2011 17:24

hubbard good ere innit? Grin

33, Not really done it formally,mostly as dh is very non confrontational and of course loves his family. I have analysed it untill im blue but i think that its a massive case of empty nest syndrome and the desire to be around and involved in everything dh does outways any sense of right and wrong,i mean what woman would expect bed and board at the home of someone who has just had a baby,c section or otherwise.It was made abundently clear by dh that we would not be welcoming overnight guests the few days after the baby but she chose to ignore it.
When i was packing up to leave hospital i was sobbing and the mw asked me why?I said "i just want to go home to a quiet house,i feel so tired,i dont want all these people there" Mil assured mw "we will see them home safely (wtf) and have a nice cup of tea and we will leave them in peace" When we got home it was slippers on and suggestions of fish and chips. I had promised dd 1 who is 9 that me her and dh would put pjs on and have fish and chips and open the champagne we had saved,it was all ruined.
Things are a tad frosty,i am trying hard for dh but they make no effort whatsoever with me. I often wonder if ill just come out with it one day.Last time she came she refused to hand over the baby when she was distressed,i can imagine me snapping if that happens again.

ledkr · 02/07/2011 17:29

unlikely i always love it when you post Grin
My ex mil,who was ok up untill her son was found out to be shasgging a girl of 16,who had possibly been 15 Shock told me that "these girls these days look older than they are" oh right thats ok then Confused she also suggested that i wouldnt take him back cos i wanted to be trendy,like my friends and be a single parent. Of course.

UnlikelyAmazonian · 02/07/2011 17:31

Ty why on earth are you still giving them the tim,e of day? What a shocking story. Just dont bother. They will screw your kids up! Well doen for staying together. You must be a bloody saint. Ditch em. Go abroad and send them a postcard saying 'feck the feck off nutters' x x x

UnlikelyAmazonian · 02/07/2011 17:36

ledkr they are mummys boys. MIL emailed exh saying 'I have severed all contact with UA. Remember. A mother's love is unconditional'

Not a grandmother's love though obviously. Hmm

Mind you, she didnt have a leg to stand on...she ran away with an ex to canada. Where she remains.

Lovely innit.

Such kindness, compassion and non-repeating of another generation of fuckwittery.
Not.
Cant wait to tell DS that his daddy left to shag whores and his granny condoned it and blanked him at once.

Continuum · 02/07/2011 19:52

Ty That is all so shocking I don't even know what to say, you are a better person than me, I would've definitely stopped contact with such pieces of work.

Sadly this thread makes me almost grateful for the in-laws I have. It does help they live thousands of miles away though. At one point we were going to move back to the US but they were the reason we didn't, just the way they are generally and I didn't want ds exposed to things like, he is the only reason worth living. That's not his fucking job, he was a 3 year old at the time. Of course we didn't tell them they were the reason we decided not to move back, but they still became really angry and told us we didn't care about their feelings etc. etc. Yes, because their feelings are all that matters when one is deciding which country to live in!

They are also completely irresponsible and are not allowed to look after ds unsupervised, that was dh's decision, but of course it must have been my evil decision as dh was told to stick up for them and tell me what they're really like.

Oh and during one time I thought I could trust them and get along we were chatting about dh who is a mystery to them and I said to MiL about him being suicidal when we met (he didn't tell me this till after we were married) because he was so depressed and lonely and he felt nothing for anyone and even didn't feel like he loved them. Yes it was foolish, but I was younger and thought they would understand, which seemed to be the case until we had a falling out and FiL demanded to know why he hadn't loved them and did he still not love them after all they'd done for him. Fuckers. All they'd done, like forcing him to lie to his friends and say he was going to uni out of state and taking his car off him so he was confined to campus, that kind of thing. To not have much to do with him for the years he, then we, lived in the US and then have MiL crying on the phone to him about having to take anti-depressants cos he was so far away and how much she misses him all the time. He's told her, in a nice way, she could do with some therapy, and she does, but won't.

I think these days I'm more angry about them on dh's behalf. Especially as he knows they've got a "better version" with ds who is lively and extroverted, not shy and introverted like their only child.

TyDontWannaMissAthing · 02/07/2011 19:56

Sorry have only just got home from picking dh up.
I put up with the crap because dh still likes them Hmm They love and treat the dc ok atm, but the minute anything changes that will be it. Oh and I am not a saint, I shouted like a nutter at mil when they were slagging dh's appearance off. I am hoping they get the message from that. Grin

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/07/2011 20:08

Ty,

Your DH is probably more afraid of them than anything else- many adults who were children of such toxic parents have FOG - fear, obligation, guilt. Many adults who were and remain the victims of toxic parenting also go back for more ill treatment because they are heart still want their parents approval.

Your ILs will never apologise for their behaviour nor accept any responsibility for their actions. They are adept at blaming others for their inherent ills.

I would suggest that you read "Toxic Inlaws" written by Susan Forward.

Such toxic parents like your H's will likely start on your children over time; they could well use them to get back at you both and confuse them with their nonsense; these types of issues all too easily become generational. If they are more than happy to treat their DIL and their son with contempt like they have done so to date why should they actually see you at all let alone their gc's?.

The only real way forward is to completely sever all contact but that is as yet perhaps a stage too far for your DH to comtemplate.

mummynoseynora · 02/07/2011 20:14

my FiL luckily for me (and him) lives thousands of miles away... he insists on visiting every year or two - but only since grandchildren came along... both his sons are pretty much ignored - in fact the first time I met him (we had driven 2 hours to the airport with 6m DD ) he didn't even say hello or nice to meet you - just took dd from me and said hi to her! Shock
he's a typical mysoginistic, sexist, self centred arsehole - I have zero respect for him and I would never leave him in charge of the kids. He does the whole drink drive thing, no seat belt etc.... Angry
whenever he comes over the world has to stop for a fucking month ready to be at his beck and call - I refused last time... was bliss!

MiL is lovely - she winds me up sometimes but thats just people isn't it! Her heart is in the right place, and she is actually pretty careful not to step on my toes (parenting wise) too much... except at her house Hmm oh and the one thing that REALLY winds me up is when she asks DD what she wants to eat (when she has refused the dinner in front of her) and I have to point out she eats what she's given or goes hungry (its things we KNOW she eats) ... so then MiL sneaks DD a biscuit when I have left the room and tells her not to tell me Angry luckily DD is great and comes running in to say 'granny said not to tell you that she gave me a biscuit!' pmsl! We had to have the whole - we don't want her thinking its normal to keep secrets from parents convo... she still does it

really not the worst thing in the world though, she is great and loves the DC clearly :)

TyDontWannaMissAthing · 02/07/2011 20:15

Attilla I fear that would be too much for dh atm, we have made sure we dont live within 20 min drive away and an impossible walk, they dont bother coming round without a reason anyway. I will read that nbook you quoted, thanks. :)

Continuum · 02/07/2011 20:37

My in-laws do the food thing too, and I'm fairly relaxed, but they fed their own child up till he was significantly overweight and then put him on a series of diets from age 9, and so it absolutely frustrates me when they feed ds all the time always with snack food and tell him not to tell us. I mean I used to say, okay, he can have a few cookies before breakfast, but that's not good enough for them, they want to give him whatever they want, but as we would stay with them for 2-4 weeks at a time that crappy diet cannot be sustained, the boy needs real food too. I don't see how they can't see that it hurts him, but then they just like to do what makes them feel good.

And of course we're not allowed to discipline ds because that makes mil cry because, as she says, she has "too much empathy", no, she had a really shit childhood she hasn't come to terms with and doesn't seem to have the capacity to. And I really feel for that side of her, but dh and I have made sure not to pass on our shit to ds, we've worked hard at it, including counseling for us both, and at some point we can't keep making excuses while her behaviour still affects dh and has repercussions for ds.

Not that Fil is off the hook, he's vain and egotistical. He used to push and pinch dh on the sly when he was little and as soon as dh was old enough to question him or do things like beat him at chess there was lots of anger and sulking. FiL didn't even speak to me or act like I was anything other than an annoyance until we were almost moving back to the US, ah bringing back his precious son and grandson, because only males are important. He's been seriously ill for a while so I hope he's mellowed because ds is now of an age to be cheeky and not just worshipful.

Sorry I'm taking up so much of this thread. I also have big feelings of guilt because I'm not talking to them right now and know I have to by October when I have this baby. But it's been so lovely not to have MiL's constant phone calls, because when she doesn't hate me she just rings all the time, as in almost daily, to talk about ds and is always so nice and I get sucked in and think that's what she's really like, but she's not, and if things don't go their way she will immediately turn on me. She doesn't even have to keep me sweet to see dh and ds, I'm not like that, but she thinks I am. We had a falling out a couple of years ago and dh didn't speak to them for a month or so, and I didn't for 9 months, and given that we know what they're like dh made it absolutely clear they were still welcome to come over for a visit and see ds, but they went on two long cruises instead, one Caribbean, one South American. And when we visited them again she said about having to go on them to take their minds off the fact we hadn't let them see ds. When FiL nearly died he was all about seeing family and coming over, but then started making plans for a trip to East Asia, because that's on his bucket list. dh had really believed he meant to come for a visit.

Sorry, there I go again. I know in the grand scheme of things they aren't so bad, but it's so draining. Draining for dh who was brought up by them, and I can't say I wasn't brought up to feel lots of guilt and put my mum's feelings first, but at least my mum admits she was wrong. The in-laws don't see anything they did or do now as anything but right because they do it.