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HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

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MusicLover · 04/11/2005 12:25

I was going to change my name for this, but bugger it Ive done nothing to be ashamed of..

I was going on my DH History on the pc to find a site he had been on recently...To my horror I found "Porn Sites" !!!!

I feel repulsed TBH. I cant get it out of my mind. I've not confronted him. I work some evenings so thats when he obviously goes on them.
My friend went through this a couple of years ago with her dp, so my DH does know how I feel about porn.
Im no prude at all, but its the secrecy of it thats really doing my head in.

Is this just a man thing?
Am I overeacting?

How would you feel?

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munz · 04/11/2005 15:48

choccy - ewwwwwwwwwwwww! sorry but ewwwwwwwwwwwww!

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choccy · 04/11/2005 15:57

TMI I know - but how do you think I felt when I found it??!!

HRHQoQ · 04/11/2005 15:58

haven't read the rest of the thread - but if he's not deleted the stuff from his history folder - he's obviously not trying to be particularly secrative about it.

Do you tell him every single website you go on when you're online??

MusicLover · 09/11/2005 14:36

Well they say "don't get mad-get even".

That's what I have done. Thanks to MunnziesDH I went on Playgirl & I've now got a small picture of a male on my desktop.

Can't wait for DH's reaction!

I've even found myself NOW snooping on his history-(I can't help it)

He's even been chatting live to woman?????????
I'm not amused!

So I've not deleted any of my history-"whats good for the goose is good enough for the gander"

I really can't confront him on this??? So can't wait to see his face.

We had an arranged intimate night last night after I got in from work, which was lovely. But when I snooped today, he had been on last night before I came home. It just has me asking myself "why"

I'm preparing myself for some S**t from you for snooping but cant help it. I don't think he's aware you can go into "history"! But when I went into his e-mail (aahhh-I know-I'm naughty) he had quite alot in his trash that he deleted last night-thats how I found the live chat!

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munz · 09/11/2005 14:42

ooh live chat - now that's a step to far I think.

(and u're not snooping, you stumbled upon it and didn't know how to get into it/what u were doing shouldn't let DH read my story should I! lol - ah who's kidding I don't understand computers anyhow!) lol.

(hope my dh's antics won't cause any problems! lol with that link!) lol.

notasheep · 09/11/2005 14:55

Musiclover,i found the same on my boyfriends history,i was so upset!!!!! I confronted him and he got quite scared, to be honest since that day our Sex life has not been good.
He said he was bored so maybe he should look after the children more!!

notasheep · 09/11/2005 14:57

I then went on as many lesbian sights as possible,within 10 minutes i had done so many pages and left them all in the history to really upset him!

notasheep · 09/11/2005 14:58

You need to have trust,i am not sure if i do!

MusicLover · 09/11/2005 15:06

I def have trust in RL I mean! He's def not the wandering type of guy.
I don't want to confront him either If I'm to be honest. I'd rather it come out in a converstion IYSWIM. I can bear my time-thats not a problem.

Our sex life isn't a problem at all, we just don't do it as often!!! But from what I can gather from my dh's history is that even when we are having sex, he still feels the need to look!!

But TBH I do feel like he's cheating

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notasheep · 09/11/2005 21:40

I felt like my boyfriend was having an affair,but with porn! Hope you get situation sorted and happy

munz · 10/11/2005 08:29

when u say live chat- do u mean live chat as in the yahoo chat rooms? - whilst i'm not keen on those DH did use those (as did I in our younger days - althou I guess it depends on what u tell ppl). if it's the sex type of live chat then ooh yes bad i think.

did u have a chat to him about how u r feeling?

MusicLover · 10/11/2005 10:50

No didnt chat with him about it.!

I mean live chat as typing while watching the girl/woman on cam. He wasnt doing it by using his cam-just typing chat, from what I can gather.

He knows about my naked man screen saver though,as I was at work last night- only till 9 though, & dh said that ds didnt want to go on my log in due to being a "man holding his gonads" as DH "put it". But it shows hardly anything really. But I laughed my head of & shrugged it off. He never mentioned it again, & I checked his history today, he never went on it last night while I was at work.

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forestfern · 14/11/2005 14:15

This issue has also affected my relationship quite seriously. It has also become a societal issue because of the easy access and possibility of secrecy that the internet and Sky channels offer. England beats other countries by far now.

Easier than the embarrassment of reaching for the top shelf and making the purchase publicly! Possibly only a business trip would previously have offered this option of anonymity to the male partner?

In fact, how far would most men go given total anonymity? Total.

Why are some women OK with it and others not? What are their views on love, romance, sex and fidelity? I wonder if they would be differing within the two groups. I would like to hear what you think.

If sensual, romantic sexuality between a couple is to remain erotically fulfilling then surely any outsiders challenge this? How many people involve their partner within their fantasy world? Somebody made the point that men are not as imaginative? But, supposing that were not the case and that the P offers something that their relationship does not? Is there then sexual incompatibility within the couple, or should we simply accept that male and female sexuality differs ? full stop. ?Wired Differently? Relate. We can only hope for some overlap area then.

Would it make a difference both to the male viewer and female discoverer if the images were not of real people? Essentially it is currently material from people prostituting themselves for male titillation. Not a million miles away from prostitution then - a thin blue line. There is little eroticism or bulging biceps to please women even if we were to adopt this self-gratifying attitude to our own sex lives, which as sensitive, caring individuals is an approach harder to adopt. It doesn?t sit well with us. There is little eroticism at all left now, not desired by men therefore?

If the images were not real, say computer generated images had come so far, would the male then not feel that he was ?having? all these different women, which may play a role in his own self-esteem and inherent built-in desire to spread the seed? Would he be as interested in it? A man who keeps a small amount of the same stuff to view occasionally may be doing it for different reasons to the one who buys and circulates with other males, new stuff all the time. New women spread on the block.

The man who likes Playboy may be different from the one who likes hardcore, but Playboy is becoming harder. I have heard it expressed that men mainly like this stuff for the hardcore element, not the eroticism? What of the issue of viewing other men also -within the group situation. Some latent homosexuality, male bonding, a diminution of the sexual threat daily felt by other men within their environment? A safe haven for catharsis of fear. Men must fear other men. They still kill each other, and although they can cry, they still cant talk as eloquently and intimately about their feelings as women can. They still seem to me to be predominantly driven by power of any sort. Money being it currently. And now, sex as part of their power structure?

Once the potency is proven, what power does it offer a man to make love to one women if he cannot be fully inclined. With a women the powerful urges of erotic romance are foremost and empowering, rewarding. For many men, this may not be the same, especially if their own umbilical cord issue has not been carefully cut. Mummy still rules in the head and so on. Their women may eventually present a new umbilical cord!! Maybe after she herself becomes a mother this feeling worsens for their male.

What women wants to waste her time struggling with a child in a lingerie department for her husband just to feel that she is emulating these other women who are occupying his fantasies? She has a right to own her own sexuality in that way that she wants to, just as he also has that right. So, stalemate. Sex within marriage is notorious poor and waning over time. Could these factors be contributing? If both parties have average sex drives, then why does it go wrong? Tired, kids? Are we every too tired to be hungry? Women and men wanting different things? When sex and love start to separate too much then a lot of women may lose interest. He still loves her, but the effects of the differing sexual attitudes mean that over time, maybe she doesn?t want to make love to him.

Desensitisation to normal sexuality, addiction and escalation are also inherent issues within P. One theory about the decline and fall of the Roman Empire is related to the same attitudes to sex that are infiltrating our society today.

Only self- control, sensitivity and an intellectual attitidue to sexuality from a male can provide a fulfilling sex life for women who do not accept the sexual hijack, objectification of women, male domination of the sexual arena and base crude vulgarity that P has to offer. Maybe men are being corrupted by the economics of the sex trade, but they do have the choice to buy or view.

If a woman has a fulfilling sex life with ?her? man and he is still asking HER
to wear the suspenders ? and you find some stuff that is not wholly unacceptable to you, maybe he has a higher sex drive than you thought ? and want to be bothered with! Maybe then you accept it.

If, however, he is rolling over for 10min on a Sunday morning and you find that he has a rich sexual fantasy life involving other women ? why should you accept that when you thought he was just tired ? and you are left frustrated? How will you feel every time you go out to Tesco struggling with the kids? What is he up to? Like burning the frilly knickers drawer, probably. ? It?s not as if you think he is so fantastic either!?And, if you do the same - disrespecting his sexuality and fantasising about gorgeous guys? OK for a while but the next time you listen to Madeleine Peyroux ?Dance me to the end of love? or ?Unchained melody?, some Elvis or Roy Orbison ? it wont be the muscle bound guys you are thinking about, and it wont be him. It will be of making erotic, passionate love to SOMEONE else ? and you will start looking.

Maybe female sexuality is actually more dangerous to ?society?. More of a sexual, physical being after all? The female drive to have the babies may actually be greater than the male drive to procreate? Once the sperm has penetrated the egg it produces a spermicide to kill off other sperm. Nature-given evidence that the female may have sex with another male within the next ten minutes! The first male protects his genes. Maybe society has evolved to suppress this female sexuality?

When was the last time you went out and saw any male dressed in a sexually provactive way? Maybe they have not allowed it, because they would be fighting all the time out of sexual insecurity. They bond together in a way that protects many aspects of their establishment. There was a time when the rich men would dare to wear tights and cod-pieces, only the rich. Somehow the tights bit doesn?t sound very stimulating in present society ? but you get the drift. Only gay blokes strut their stuff. Every wondered why we women are so deprived of a similar sensory input? Do you really believe it is because we don?t want it around? We may not take it to the lengths that males would with the P, out of respect, love and facts as mentioned previously ? but have you not glanced at the top shelf and seen a really great guy with a fantastic six pack only to find it is ?gay times?. In reality, only out of vengeful feeling would women want this stuff anyway. But it sure as hell would put them in their place if they had to look at rows of Playgirl-like mags. Why should we mooch around listening to romantic songs any more? Because this is still the most erotic thing for women. To dream of the passion. Who cares about the page and the celluloid. Women would soon want to bite the muscle not smell the flowers and eat the chocolate. Maybe men know that at some deep level and are afraid of it?

So, if men don?t deal with this issue carefully ? surely we will eventually not love them any more? Maybe female independence has contributed to this rise in P? Maybe men are fearful underneath of what will happen if a woman can have the children AND leave if she is unhappy?

Just ideas. ?Shut up you new-comer, you don?t even know what the dd?s and the dh?s are!?. ?Bet you were in the debating society?.

My God ? that was ?enough said?!! Any comments?

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LoveMyGirls · 14/11/2005 14:30

must have taken you hours to post that!

my personal view is no i dont like it and dp does not look at it im all he needs and before you all tell me that all men look at porn i can honestly say i know that mine doesnt when we first discussed it he argued i didnt have the right to tell him what he could/nt do i argued that if he respected me he would do as i asked we have never looked back.

handlemecarefully · 14/11/2005 14:30

I don't like porn and I think it's degrading to women..but having said that, it is a man thing (they often don't share our sensibilities and 'political' view points on porn) and you are over reacting.

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handlemecarefully · 14/11/2005 14:32

My dh would have it that "90% of men look at porn", but he would say that...

forestfern · 14/11/2005 14:33

gee thanks gg!.The Beauty Myth was a good book. Must read it again. Must look at Salon.com also??

munz · 14/11/2005 14:35

well u all know mine looks now! lol - but tbh the amount of time we're apart for id sooner he did look at porn/watch vids etc than go off and have an affair. he looks at porn I have ahem a rampent friend! lol - so is there much differnce in me ahving my toys/him looking at pics - my imagionation's better than his is all! lol.

(althou I did ask him not to bring mags into the house and he's not - he leaves them in work for the other lads)

LoveMyGirls · 14/11/2005 14:38

KS - thanks, and yes we're 24

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