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Raging Mother grabbed steering wheel of my car on motorway, nearly killed us.... feeling a bit blue

62 replies

hopefull55 · 16/04/2011 08:12

Hi. Dont really know who to talk to in real life becuase what do you say. long journey home from difficult visit with relatives, my ds age 1 in back. he is crying alot, cant settle, usual long car journey thing (for us anyway, we dont drive much and were in a small hire car). mum, who is very difficult, cant really explain how difficult other than saying years of tantrums, physical fights with strangers, car related rage as a passenger or driver, she has no friends, always ruins relationships, always argues to the point of police involvement with neighbours, very difficult towards me especially since i got married and had a baby, very controlling, also very loving and lots of emotional blackmail etc etc.

the reason i was driving is becuase i wont get in a car with her that she is driving after years of being terrorised by reckless driving when she 'loses it' on the motorway. granny (her mum) is dying whcih is why it was necessary for us to make the long journey together. thought she would be able to put my son's needs above hers and be calm in the car. this is why i took the decision to drive with her in the car - and it is unpredictable, she is not always like this. i had refused to go in her car which she was angry about, thus the hire car.
anyway - She was getting more stressed with the crying on the motorway so i suggested i pull over to soothe him or give him some milk and asked if she thought it was safe on the hard shoulder as the motorway was curving and i wouldnt choose to stop there. she completely flipped out, screaming about the crying and that he had to shut up but i had to get her home and if i tried to stop she would grap the wheel -i was saying mum please, he's a baby, put him first, calm down, your frightening me and him - so i gues i was slowing down maybe 65- 70, but it was all happening really quickly -i had been doing 80 and i was in middle lane - and then she grabbed the wheel, and the car went across the lanes, i dont know which way, all i know is i had to right the car and it nearly swerved into either the central reservation or the hard lane side, i dont know which, but it went all over the road.
its not an exaggeration to say that she reallky did nearly kill us - if a car had been over or undertaking us, if i hadnt righted the car in time, i just feel sick everytime i think of it and as im typing my hands are sweaty and im shaking.

i just dont really know where to go next with this.

ill carry on and say what happened - i managed to get the car onto the hard shoulder, jump out of my side of the car, grab the keys and my handbag, run round the side and tell her to stay away from me while i got my son out, who was hysterical, my poor poor child. i just wanted to protect him from this kind of thing, i feel terrible i exposed him to it. i told her to keep back, as i thought she was going to attack me. i offered her the car and said we would hitch, but the upshot was i left her on the side of the motor way and called the police to let them know she was there and i was worried for her safety. she got a bus, i dont know how to a train station and got home from there. it was 9pm by this point, so i did feel bad leaving her but i couldnt possibly have her back in the car after what she had done, i had to think of my son.

im sitting here on saturday morning before my son wakes up- where do i go from here, do i cut her out of my life completely, i cant cope with this kind of thing, i dont want it any more, im an adult, i dont need it, etc etc. she traumatised me all my childhood with rages and then huge amounts of love and affection and i just want a stable life for me and my family. but then i dont have much family and she is there for me. and i do love her, very strong bond - im estranged from my father, brother brain damaged following motorbike accident, extended family not close, granny dying. i do have friends but since the baby i dont socialise as much, whcih i miss.

any wise words would be really really welcome. i just feel so lost.

OP posts:
hopefull55 · 16/04/2011 08:14

would just like to clarify - i wanted to stop anyway and soothe him, it wasnt just becuase she was getting upset.

OP posts:
franke · 16/04/2011 08:23

I didn't want to leave this unanswered although it's well out of my sphere of experience. From what you have said this is beyond a "simple" case of a toxic parent and into the realms of a serious and ongoing mental health issue. In your position I would seriously limit all contact - only you can decide whether to break off contact completely. I'm so sorry for you, thank god you stayed in control of the situation, no wonder you are still shocked by it.

Reality · 16/04/2011 08:24

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BelleDameSansMerci · 16/04/2011 08:29

Reality is right.

iwasyoungonce · 16/04/2011 08:33

I agree you should report this incident to the police.

but I also think your mother has a mental disorder. Has she ever sought medical advice?

Poor you. No wonder you are shaken up. You must have been terrified.

allgoodindahood · 16/04/2011 08:35

Bloody hell what a terrifying experience, I'm so so sorry. My mum has a lot of issues too. I love her to bits and because she pushes everyone away with her behaviour there's even more pressure on me to continue to be there for her. But recently her outbursts have started impacting on my DCs and I want so much better for them. I think stability and security is so precious. So I've made the difficult decision to limit contact between them. I'm truly shocked that your mums reaction to her crying grandchild is to scream at you and then grab the wheel at 70mph! Is this the type of person you can ever trust around your baby?

Kevinia · 16/04/2011 08:37

She could have killed your baby. She could have killed you. I would report it to the police.

thelittlestkiwi · 16/04/2011 08:39

Has your mum ever been assessed by a psychiatrist? Her reaction to a crying baby is not normal and suggests to me she needs some help. I think you can refer her to a crisis team- or at very least make an appointment to see her GP. It seems she cares for you and you for her. Please don't get in a car with her again. No one should be so scared of their mum.

Let us know how you get on. I hope you are okay. It sounds terrifying.

HecateQueenOfTheNight · 16/04/2011 08:41

It is the most simple thing in the world.

Out. Of. Your. Life.

She grabbed the steering wheel. On the motorway. you could all have been killed.

If my mother did that to MY child - she'd never see any of us again, ever.

follyfoot · 16/04/2011 08:47

I dont see what reporting your mother to the police would achieve. The square root of bugger all probably.

And you probably dont need us to tell you not to allow her to travel in a car with you ever again. As for the issue of your relationship with her, hmmm only you can decide that. She sounds an extremely toxic influence on your life and importantly on your children, so in the shorter term a break from seeing her would surely be for the best.

You sound sad and a bit isolated. Would it be good to spend some time making your own life what you would like it to be and what you deserve? Then see how you feel about your Mum.

BelleDameSansMerci · 16/04/2011 08:47

To be really clear, she could have killed all of you and quite possibly anyone else who was unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity.

You know this though.

Please think of yourself and your child before your mother. She clearly does need help and you can help to enable that for her (if she will allow it) but you must think of yourself and your child first. Please.

Inertia · 16/04/2011 08:51

I would probably take a few minutes to write a dispassionate account of what happened , ensuring that you make it clear exactly how dangerous this was, in case the police follow this up.

Obviously you had to stop on the hard shoulder after this happened, but I think there may be legal issues around leaving a person on the motorway, you might need to explain why you didn't wait for the police to arrive before driving off.

I think for your own safety and well-being you need to distance yourself and your family from your mother, she needs professional help for her problems. You seem to be carrying the weight of them and now need to put your son first.

beanlet · 16/04/2011 08:58

Oh. my. god.

She could have killed both of you. She is SERIOUSLY deranged, and needs urgent help. But NOT from you.

Agree with Inertia -- for your own safety you need to cut her out of your life NOW. But if you still care for her, you should also try to get her some help.

And yes, I probably would tell the police, because she could easily kill someone else.

beanlet · 16/04/2011 09:00

Sorry -- that sounded totally contradictory! Meant that you should not continue seeing her (i.e. helping her informally), but that if you felt you should, you could try to get her some professional help from someone else.

MigratingCoconuts · 16/04/2011 09:01

I would consider asking advice from your GP about mental Health in a relative who doesn't see a problem.

I feel very much for you, awful situation, but you cannot let your mum near your child again.

Do you have a DP or DH? You don't mention anyone who can support you.

activate · 16/04/2011 09:02

exactly what REality said - word for word

Thenonevent · 16/04/2011 09:06

I should think the last thing the op needs is a mini lecture on stopping on the Hard Shoulder. She probably felt pressured into doing it by the horrific circumstances involved.

Op I am cold just thinking about what might have happened, awful, just awful.

For me this would be a done deal. I could never allow such a person near me or my dc again. She really has forfeited her rights to a relationship with you or your dc. She is a danger to herself and others but I too cannot see what good getting the police involved will do but would certainly feel the need to do something. Would she see a doctor?

Poor you and your ds Sad.

Guitargirl · 16/04/2011 09:20

Ok, here's my twopennies worth, repeating much of what others have said:

  1. Your mother needs a mental health assessment asap. If you feel able to and your mother consents, then accompany her to the GP and see the GP together as your mother is unlikely to disclose everything.
  1. Do not allow your mother unsupervised access to your son.
  1. Do not, under any circumstances, travel with your mother in a car again.
  1. Whilst I appreciate that you were not thinking straight with the baby crying and your mother's input, hard shoulders are absolutely NOT the place for crying babies and that shouldn't even have been suggested never mind acted on. Next time, pull off the motorway at the next exit and calm your baby in a motorway services.
paranoidandroidwreckmyownlife · 16/04/2011 09:23

She really does need mental help.I'm someone who suffers at the hands of my mental health and can be awful to my family when it's at it's worst (grumpy and snappy and hyper stressed), but not this bad. If you call the police and explain what has happened, they must have heard of her from what you've siad.
Maybe she needs to be sectioned so a proper evaluation by a mental health team can be done. She could have killed you both. you really need to push for this, for everybody's sake. She won't thanks you for it now that's for sure, but maybe one day, if she can be stabilised she will, and be able to have a relationship with you andd your DS again. A very un-MN type hug for you both.

hopefull55 · 16/04/2011 09:56

Hi thanks for all the replies, I do appreciate it. Re the hard shoulder, I agree only for an emergency but I was juggling a very stressful situation and thought if I stopped and stopped DS crying, mum might calm down, as i was begining to realise she might flip out. better the hard shoulder than a pile up, no? but it all happened so quickly though, i didnt have time to think.

Think my next step is to write to her GP as i know he has made a psyciatric referral for her regarding a check up on her anti-depressants. Maybe she is not on the right medication and needs something different. I am wondering if it could be some sort of personality disorder. Not sure if I can continue a relationship with her, feel as though this is the last straw. how could she do that to us?

It was so awful - feel like i am processing it now here and feel less sick though.

Other ghastly implication - was that how she was when I was a baby? scremaing for the baby to shut up, shut up?

before this incident, i have noticed she sighs and rolls her eyes alot around ds, which i have found strange - he is in general a very good natured baby, just doing baby things like dropping spoons and wanting to be picked up.

anyway. thanks for the support and encouragement, and loving that hug as well pawmol.

OP posts:
ilythia · 16/04/2011 09:58

I don't think the 'lecture' about the hard shoulder was aimed at OP, she did the right thing by not stopping, it just shows how unreasonable her mother was being.

I can't advise you whether to cut her out or not but I stopped speaking to my father 8 years ago for various reasons and while I can't say I have never had doubts about what I have done, I know wholeheartedly that it was the right thing to do.
Try and think about what your life would be like without ehr in it? Are you onyl speaking to her because she is your mother or do you get anything out of the relationship that is positive for you?
Can you ring her when you are upset to calm down?
Do you like to share news with her because you knwo she will be happy for you/
That sort of thing.

I wish you lots of strength, and I would suggest finding the stately homes thread in relationships, I don't go on it much anymore but it is a great source of support for me when I do have doubts.

Oh, and finally (sorry) you did the right thing for your DS. Well done.

tasmaniandevilchaser · 16/04/2011 10:08

Your son comes first - she doesn't sound safe to be around him, let alone a healthy influence on him. I think that writing to her GP is a very good idea. Then

CUT HER OUT OF YOUR LIFE!

and put your energy into making friends and feeling less isolated. Try a first time mum group, my HV used to run these.

PS I can understand why you stopped on the hard shoulder, you were trying to avoid a worse situation, knowing what your Mother is like.

LittleBlueBoat · 16/04/2011 10:34

I would distance my self and my family from her.

Call the police and tell them. Your mum needs to know that there are seriours concerqence to her behaviour.

The police should get her accessed for mental health problems if not then call her GP and tell them what she did and any other strange behaviour.

Also if it was me - She tried to kill my son, she would then never see him again ever. She would have give up that right when she did that.

Xales · 16/04/2011 11:24

You need to report this to the police.

What happens if your mum goes to the police/SS and says 'my daughter is deranged, she swerved all over the motorway last night in a temper, stopped the car and threw me out abandoning me in a dangerous place. I am worried for my grandson and would like custody..........'

Why do you need to ask what you do next? How can you ever risk this demented woman near your precious child?