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DH, Drugs and Me....

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oldbeforemytime · 23/09/2003 17:09

I'm hoping that some of you worldly mumsnetters can give me a bit of perspective on this...

When DH and I met we used to go out clubbing a lot and recreational drug use was part of our social life. Since becoming pregnant i've lost interest in clubbing etc byt DH hasn't. He has (after much pleading ) cut down how often he goes clubbing and rarely disappears abroad or to the other side of the country any more.

But, he still does a lot of drugs when he goes out and at the moment we have about 200 pills in our freezer, apparently it's cheaper to buy in bulk....

I could tolerate all this but DH feels betrayed that i no longer enjoy clubbing and getting off my face. I've tried going out straight but TBH I find it a bit of a let down and it just doesn't seem worth the effort, also I find Dh and his clubbing mates a bit ridiculous when thry're monged. My refusal to go out is causing massive problems and at the w/e DH said he thinks we should separate as i've lied about who I am and he can't understand why I've changed. He was drunk at the time but it's a recurring theme.

I'm not interested in all that except on the stereo and given that he's pushing 40 (i'm a lot younger) I find him a bit sad and desperate. Any tips on getting him to accept that I find all that boring and would rather watch a video?

Sorry this is so long!

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doormat · 24/09/2003 10:18

Enid, no I was wrong but thanx.
OBMT I have been very worried about you, please dont feel you cant post. You have problems and maybe we can all help you with our shared experiences.That is what mumsnet is for.
LOL and hugs to you.

doormat · 24/09/2003 10:18

Enid, no I was wrong but thanx.
OBMT I have been very worried about you, please dont feel you cant post. You have problems and maybe we can all help you with our shared experiences.That is what mumsnet is for.
LOL and hugs to you.

bundle · 24/09/2003 10:51

can't help but think of that poor little girl who took 5 e's she found in someone's house and died - the guy was found not guilty last week of manslaughter but got a few years for dealing.
I thought I was fairly relaxed re: drugs until a few years ago I went out with someone who took all sorts (together for the impact) and in the end to me that's all he was, a vessel for chemicals which enhanced his emotional responses to life. in the end he couldn't function without them, and we split. he was about 10 yrs younger than me and maybe that was part of our clash too. just after this got back together with then ex (now dh) who took some coke at his leaving party and experienced amnesia and a total personality change for about 5 days, totally freaked him out I don't think he's cut out for drug-taking, which I'm glad about.
OBMT, please don't doubt yourself, you sound like a terrific person who's caught up in tricky situation which you're trying to sort out, x

Cam · 24/09/2003 11:32

Sorry OBMT but you did ask. What would worry me greatly in your situation is that your dh is a criminal. How would you feel if someone died as a result of e's he sold to them? Why would you want your child in this situation? I think you have posted because you agree with these views. Only you know how much longer you can bear to be involved in this lifestyle. Think about what will happen when your child goes to school.

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meetoo · 24/09/2003 12:08

your story could be my story.
for years i took speed and e's when at raves. i had 1 kid then, used to send her off to mil for weekend whilst me and hubby went out. but then he started sorting out a few friends with pills, basically dealing tho he didnt see it as this as he was only helping out friends. then i found out i was pregnant again, fortunatly had already stopped the drugs myself. but hubby didnt. he carried on taking them, once i left him to look after my daughter whilst i went out, found him and his mates off their faces when i came back. i went mad, threatened to leave and all the rest, but he basically made me feel i was being unreasonable, and that pills werent that bad. he carried on picking up drugs and dropping them off, didnt have them in the house as far as i knew. but soon after my 2nd daughter was born, my 1st daughter found a bag of pills in the car. fortunatly i was there, god knows what would've happened. i stewed for days over this, he told me it was my fault as she shouldnt have been allowed to play in the car whilst waiting for him. i was torn in two, between saving my family and doing the right thing. in the end, the crunch came a few nights later when he was off doing another deal. i know i had to leave, as he wasnt going to stop, so i contacted womans aid, they found me a place in a refuge. i spent six months in re8+fuge before i was rehoused. it was hard, i had a four week old baby with me, they didnt see their dad much, not until i knew he had knocked all the dealing and drugs on the head. i felt like i was denaying my kids their dad, but i knew that if i stayed i could've lost both my kids because of his stupidity. i felt like a fraud in the refuge, as their was people in there who had beaten/abused/emaothionally abused, and yet i was their just to i keep my own kids. some women were nasty to me as they felt i shouldnt have been there, but i had to go, it was my only choice. my hubby is now clean, doesnt deal and is a great dad to his kids. i wish it hasnt had to come to the point where i had to leave to make him see he was destroying the family, but it was the thing that made him realise.
i hope u make the right descision for you and your kids.

Magnolia · 24/09/2003 12:31

Decided to join in on this one obmt I hope that you're still reading this thread, my dh used to deal speed, not that he saw it that way, just like your dh he was "helping out a few mates" and he never did it from our home.

Well oneday one of these "mates" got stopped and searched by police, they found various bits ie draw and pills and speed on him, not alot of each one just some, enough to claim as personal. Well he knew that he couldn't risk getting done for even personal as he had previous so he made an agreement with the police to grass up his dealer and no more would be mentioned about his possension.......

We only found this part out later on.

Well dh and I were woken early one morning to the sound of 8 police men raiding our house with dogs.... they found only a few grams of speed (about 10) and a large sum of cash (about £890) they arrested dh and charged him with possesion with intent to supply.

Dh had to go to crown court, his case made local papers and he had the money taken off of him by the judge. He managed (only just) to get off. Mainly because he was "young and naive" as said by the judge. He had to attend drug re-hab sesions (even though he didn't have a problem with addiction).

Even now when we go out at night we get stopped and searched (in out car) sometimes during the day as well all because of his previous, it's embarassing especially when you've go small children in the back. My oldest has even told people at school about being stopped and the car being searched. My dh doesn't even deal anymore and all connections have been severed along time ago but the whole family are still suffering for one mistake.

We didn't have children at the time but as Jenie said you will loose your child/ren and both of you will go to prison if you don't take action. You never think that one of your friends will grass on you but it does happen it's called self preservation. You should try it.

bloss · 24/09/2003 13:03

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Blu · 24/09/2003 14:05

OBMT: To side-step the drugs issue entirely....(I have added my own tuppenceworth at the end of this post!) It is very difficult when one partner develops different goals, interests and aims in life, and it does sound as if your DP is either genuinely a bit immature, or is panicking that he will be 40. Is he terrified to let go because he can't see any other purpose in his life? Does he need you to be there clubbing with him in order to affirm that he is doing the right thing? It's odd that even your acceptance of his enjoyment of clubbing is not enough for him. Do you have any other shared interests that you can take the initiative on? It's quite difficult when you are the one always saying 'no', so could you take the initiative on something else he enjoys and say 'ooooh lets go and....' BEFORE he next suggests clubbing? Does he know that you love and value him for reasons beyond his Dorian Gray-style eternal youth? (could he be panicking because you are younger than him, and he feels he has to emphasise his yoof?). He sounds quite low in self-esteem.

People change at different rates: like you I changed - developed - in my 20's. My DP has left it until his 40th b'day. It has caused some tensions, and I too have cringed at the 'sad git' factor on occasions. The situation has resolved itself through developing new activities and friends, mainly other parents - he realised at NCT class that there were plenty of hip dads out there, and to a certain extent as age has caught up with him. It now takes him 3 days to recover from a v late night, so he's had to slow down! BUT at the end of my 20's I ditched my long-term live-in partner who was 10 years older because I was still changing and growing but didn't think he was.

Re drugs: Just poking my head above the parapet to say that IME there are plenty of recreational drug users out there who are excellent parents, teachers, doctors and even officers of the law. Also IME, people only get done for possession - or the more horrific incidents like letting children get hold of them - if they are out of control in their lives and behaving irresponsibly, (like letting children have access to drugs or seeing it happen) or anti-socially, (stealing to uphold a habit etc), and they wouldn't be fit parents with or without drugs.

It doesn't honestly sound to me as if these are problems for you or your partner, and not what you were posting for.
PLEASE don't stop posting!

wiltshire · 24/09/2003 16:55

OBMT, to echo bloss I am sorry that you feel that you can't post, but she is right about one thing. You would never have put your statement in writing if you were not concerned about it yourself. The very fact that you are bothered enough to ask others opinions says you are worried. I also know that because people have come forward fast & furious, it's probably frightened the life out of you. Good Luck.

oldbeforemytime · 24/09/2003 20:28

OK, usually a woman of my word but feel a need for "closure" on this thread!

There have been some really helpful, supportive and insightful replies. blu, some of what you said is very true, you even got DH's profession...

So, I now feel that i'm behaving like a selfish, spoilt brat because there are people who have replied who have been in horrendous situations and frankly, i'm not. I do not subscribe to the "drugs are evil" thing, they;re just something I'm happy to have left behind, but I don't regret the things I did from 14 years old onwards.

I do have a yearning for a better, rather more "average"relationship with DH. But at the moment I need to be there for him and stop judging all the time. he really has changed dramatically since DD turned 1 and he really is my first, my last ,my everything (feel free to puke now). Dh needs an outlet at the mo and squash just isn't doing it for him, he really does need to lose himself and that's ok.

My refusal to join in is based on good old guilt, I just can't equate out of it parents with good parents, even if they're hungover, I won't even drink much anymore. I find it harder because I work, (solicitor, hence dismissal of your DD will go into care arguments) but I want to be with DD. However she's now at an age where she is realy becoming her own little person so I need to get over it.

so, what next? Try and persuade DH that getting a baby sitter for us to go to the cinema isn't a waste of money, trying to persuade him that me not wanting to go out clubbing isn't a rejection of him, but IS a rejection of his "mates".. The age-gap isn't too much of an issue, I just got into the club scene much earlier than him, (that's what living ib the country does for you). I also need to stop being so sensitive.

What drew us together was a desire to form a stable, happy family (to the best of our ability) and I think that is something for me to focus on.

Thanks for all the replies, as I said some of you have been amazing and someone has gone way beyond what she needed to, so I'm deeply grateful fo rthe wake-up call,

Oldbeforemytime.

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Enid · 24/09/2003 20:36

Sorry if you didn't get what you were looking for from this thread. Hopefully you'll work it all out in your own way.

Don't see why being a solicitor would make any difference if you and dh got sent to prison for dealing though. And having 200 e's in your freezer means that could happen if you ever got caught.

Also from an outsiders point of view your situation sounds just as awful as any on here.

I respect the fact that you love your husband and sincerely hope you can work it all out.

Rhubarb · 24/09/2003 21:36

OBMT, please read this before giving up on this thread. When I met dh he was a regular smoker and drinker, he also smoked dope and on occasion he took cocaine. In fact, in his early twenties he had a nervous breakdown because of all the drugs he was experimenting with, he was diagnosed (wrongly I think) with schizophrenia and treated accordingly. He was still having lapses when I met him. Now I have never smoked, never taken drugs, but I do like a drink. Normally I would have given people like dh a wide berth, but something told me there was more to him than that.

Gradually he stopped smoking as I couldn't stand it - though he still smokes part time when he has a drink. He still smoked dope too, and would more often if he had access to it.

When I got pregnant with dd it was a real struggle to give up the booze. My whole social life revolved around single, childless friends, getting blotto and clubbing most Sat nights. Suddenly I became an outsider, a taboo subject. My friends didn't know how to handle me and dh just carried on as normal. On the rare occasion I ventured out with him, he would smoke in front of me, get drunk in front of me and start silly arguments. Now I suffered badly from depression during the pregnant and ended up in casualty after trying to harm myself. He was a rock then, he supported me in every way, but he did not knock the drinking on the head for me.

Now I am pregnant again and the issue has risen again. He will drink and get drunk in front of me, even if there is just us two out. He will also smoke in front of me, cigarettes, but he would use dope if he could get hold of it. We were supposed to be going to a wedding at the end of Oct, I would be 8 months pregnant. We had arranged to stay with one of his friends, but then I found out that dh was planning to go out with his friend on the night we arrived, leaving me on my own with dd. He was going to sink quite a few pints and smoke dope because that was what his friend expected in return for their hospitality, although his friend has not said that. Dh does not understand my problem with this. He makes out that I am the insensitive one, I am the nagger, I am unreasonable, I am hormonal and I'm not the woman he married. Well no, I'm not. I'm now a mother who puts her children before her own needs. The fact is that I have changed, and he hasn't. He no longer understands me and I don't understand him.

I am hoping we can work this out, but we might need help to do that. This is what I suggest you and your partner do. Parenthood has obviously changed you as it has changed me, but dads do get an easier time of it, and their lives don't have to change as much as ours do. Perhaps he feels he needs to prove that even though he's a dad he can still live it up with the rest of them. Perhaps he's afraid of getting old, afraid of the responsibilities. He wants to stay forever young, and he wants you there with him. Perhaps that was one of your attractions? Being younger than him, making him feel young too.

I do sympathise with you. Try going to Relate (you can go on your own if he refuses). But if he does refuse to change his ways, then you are left wondering what is more important to him, his family or his freedom? He is a grown man now and must stop blaming his behaviour on his childhood, he can choose how to behave. I hope you can be strong. Best wishes.

jasper · 24/09/2003 22:54

OBMT this is at a bit of a tangent to what you are really asking but I am impressed at your strength of feelings for your dh if you are willing to put up with this situation, particularly the drug "dealing". I am in a way envious that you love him that much !
V. worried though re your being a solicitor - if he got caught they'd throw the book at you both surely and wouldn't you get struck off?
If my dh was caught dealing drugs it would be round the dental community like wildfire and If I was shown to have turned a blind eye I would be struck off.
I hope you get all this resolved asap. Most of us do grow up eventually - maybe your dh just needs a little longer than most

meetoo · 24/09/2003 23:01

even now, 1 year on, i wonder if i made the right discision. for the 1st 6 months of my babys life, she had hardly anything to do with her dad because of the drugs thing. i wouldnt let him see the kids on his own, he had to be with his family or see them with me around. but to see him now, off drugs, not rushing off to do a deal, actually spending time as a dad, even tho we still arent back together, he is a changed man. me leaving, taking the kids away from him was the wake up call he needed.

Twinkie · 29/09/2003 08:49

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Janstar · 29/09/2003 11:00

OBMT I have just read this thread and feel very sorry you have to worry about all this.

At the end of the day your dh is doing exactly what he wants without paying any attention to your wants and needs. Whatever the issues, this can't be right. The danger is that you are so used to working around what he wants that you lose touch with normality. Your own opinions and needs are being crushed under the weight of his.

If you could just step back from your situation and see it through fresh eyes, there would be no doubt in your mind that your wanting a different home life is completely reasonable, and that he is not treating you with any respect.

However much you love him, I can't see it making you happy in the long run. You have stated that drug-taking is normal life for him, because he was brought up with his parents doing it. Your children will be no different then.

His refusal to keep drugs out of the house is putting at stake your job, your security, your right to care for your children yourself, your peace of mind, and your right to choose to be law-abiding, and to choose the environment you live in.

He is not treating you with love and respect. He has lost touch with reasonableness and reality. Much as you love him, I feel you and your kids will be much better off without him. Move out, create your own environment how you want it, and love him from a distance. If he is bothered, he will begin to consider your wishes in order to get you back.

anon6 · 30/09/2003 13:46

OBMT I just wanted to say that I think you have your head screwed on, and are thinking this through well and I am sure there's a good chance of good things happening, if your dh really has changed for the better in the last 2 years and you both keep talking. I totallly see why you can't make snap decisions about leaving him or shopping him.

I am worried about the risks you face of knowing there are 200 pills in your home. What happens if your dh falls out with a friend who then tells the police? This is situation is absolutely beyond your control and your dh's and could happen at any time. I know of couples where one or both take drugs, but don't deal (unless both are dealers), but I don't know of any couple happily together if one deals. I know a guy, good job, quite together, in his 40's who has been dumped by a string of long term, drug tolerant girlfriends (one who has twins by him), basically because he dealt drugs from home. Is there no way you can just focus on this one issue and get your dd to stop dealing to his friends and storing his drugs at your place? I also wonder if your dh is much more dependent on the drugs than he tells you. If he has been taking drugs for so many years and is not able to function as a nice person for long when he is off them, he might be using them to self medicate more than get off on them and that's why he needs to buy in bulk. The dealing is not the whole story - even an excuse. If you think that's the case, he needs counselling - not from you but from a drugs counseller. Don't be his counsellor it won't work! It doesn't have to be via a doctor referrel, if you go to a specialist drugs clinic and it will not necessarily go on his medical records if he's worried about that. I don't know the full story, but if your dh is open about his drug taking, and as he deals at least some friends will know, it can be increasingly isolating for you. This is how it goes: your real life friends feel very cross on your behalf, want to help you, then realise you are not going to accept the suggestions they make, this winds them up and they end up having to stay away from you. You stop getting invited out as a couple, people can't stand or understand (cross out whatever is applicable) what your dh is doing and what you are 'putting up with'. It's not the end of the world and other friends will stay, but your dh's lifestyle choices will puts a partial barrier between you and normal life. I hope you manage to work things out.

donnie · 30/09/2003 14:36

Toni Ann Byfield : shot dead at 10 years old because her dad was a junkie drug dealer. That is the life and it won't change.People have short or selective memories IMO.

lucy123 · 30/09/2003 14:38

donnie - being a crack dealer is rather different from selling Es to friends.

Twinkie · 30/09/2003 14:44

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lucy123 · 30/09/2003 14:49

There was also rather a lot more to that case of the 10 year old girl dying from Ecstasy - the pills had been left under the sofa in the house of her "friend" who encouraged her to smoke etc.

What I'm saying is that these things are not black and white. I do not think its a great idea to have 200 pills in your freezer even if they are in a locked box, but there are many other more dangerous things in this world to worry about.

lucy123 · 30/09/2003 14:51

There was also rather a lot more to that case of the 10 year old girl dying from Ecstasy - the pills had been left under the sofa in the house of her "friend" who encouraged her to smoke etc.

What I'm saying is that these things are not black and white. I do not think its a great idea to have 200 pills in your freezer even if they are in a locked box, but there are many other more dangerous things in this world to worry about.

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