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Resentful, frustrated over this issue

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otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 10:02

In the great scheme of things this is a small issue. Nothing like the strife some people have to contend with here. My husband is a supportive man, a soul mate, dedicated father. We both share the care of our 2-1/2 year old and both work part time. This works very well. All hunky dory.

But I have an issue that bothers me. I obviously don't go about it the right way. I'd like advice on how to go about it better and not engender the response that I do. Ultimately I'd like to be listened to and have my feelings acknowledged (you know, like you do with your kids as laid out in How to Talk...)

Our daughter is 2-1/2. Until she was 2 she was breastfed to sleep every time she woke up. When she was little (until 18 months) this was multiple times. Resettling took a long time sometimes. By about 8-14 months I was having a really hard time with this. I (we) chose to stick with this and ride it out because we didn't want to sleep train (I did seriously consider it at times). Thing is, she still needs us to sit by her bed until she's asleep. Now she's no longer fed to sleep my husband does this, but I sometimes do, especially if I've been working. I just feel I should.

This process can take 30 minutes after lights out, can take more than one hour. When it's bad, it frustrates me no end and
yes, I come out of the room and have a moan or want to talk about how better to do this (I do this more often than moan).

My husband either walks away from me, shuts his eyes, turns on the tv or rolls his eyes. He thinks I (his words) catastrophise, he doesn't accept that this has in some ways, and at some times this has tipped me over the edge (not seriously over the edge but shit, yes, it's bloody frustrating). I stress to him that it's a cumulative effect of such a long time lying in the dark bfeeding sometimes 4-5 times a night. And I face this all over again with No. 2.

The fact that he refuses to acknowledge how frustrated I feel leaves me feeling like a plain old nag, like I am complaining over nothing, that I'm some kind of high-maintenance, nightmarish harridan. He tells me I rant, he says he understands but that HE's had a hard day and doesn't want to listen (and he often has had a long hard day looking after her, I can't deny). I just feel painted as the 'difficult' person (a long running thing as I was hospitalised with depression while at university and have never shrugged off the 'mentally compromised' tag, even though I've been fine since).

I am just fed up with the hours spent wrangling a child to bed. I do AP, have never had a pram, still bfeed and take my
child on outings on the days he's sleeping off a night shift so he has peace and quiet. I am no slouch or moaner! (I'm not wearing my martyrs' badge, just explaining)

Of course, this comes up if it's been a bad settle and we get nowhere. I then spend an hour or so seething. And then those few hours I do have with my husband alone are then wasted.

Irony is that since he's started putting her to bed on the awkward nights HE comes out moaning about it. When I pointed this out to him he stormed off, saying "don't speak to me like that".

I am 20 weeks pregnant. I am (like my first) sick twice a day and feel sick on and off all the time. I am prepared to accept I might be blowing this out of proportion, but I felt this way before I became pregnant.

How do I stop feeling so resentful over this? Ultimately the way I speak shuts him off. He said once something similar about
his mother, I'm guessing I remind him of this.

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MsGee · 22/03/2011 13:26

oops x post. As you were.

jellybelly25 · 22/03/2011 13:28

Op - I have a method that really did work for my dd2 who was the same age and same sort of requirements, if you want me to tell you that? She is now AWESOME at going to bed. (3) Perhaps a new thread in the sleep section? I also found it really frustrating lying there for hours. So did dh, although his solution was to fall asleep with her which I felt was counterproductive, so I understand your furstrations in him not wanting to find a better way to do it. (My dh didn't dismiss my frustrations but he was a lot softer than me and has oodles more patience doing mind numbingly boring things like sit on the floor in a child's bedroom to make her feel better Grin )

zikes · 22/03/2011 13:29

The thing is, I'm not sure what you want from your dh. Do you just want him to listen to you go over the same problem each night sympathetically?

I can see why he doesn't want to hear it repeatedly, so maybe you should let off steam to friends (who are on-board with your parenting methods) instead sometimes?

If he walks away over every problem you try to share with him, then yes, there's something awry.

otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:30

Again.

We are not unhappy. But yes, there are the odd nights when it's hard to get her to settle (either of us) and that causes the sap to rise and us to get our evening off to a bad start. This is the issue for which I sought advice. It could be about any regular stressor (being late home from work regularly, money issues, etc etc)

I have no intention of getting a pram from the off, but obviously will if I need to. Using words like 'lu' is emotive. I wouldn't dream of saying 'dumping' babies in a pram. My 2.5 year old walks fine, we drive occasionally and we mostly use public transport. It's perfectly doable for us.

Fail to see if that if I tandem feed I can't feed a newborn on demand. Or co-sleep. I may decide at the time not to, but

So yes, things will change but maybe not in the ways we expect.

AP isn't this weird, overweening luxury we namby pamby parents lavish on a first child and then fall apart at the second. It's more a general reponse and a broad approach to childrearing.

I never said CC was the devil's work. Or implied it. It works well for many of my friends. It's just not something for us. Besides, I went through a few tearful nights when I decided to stop feeding because I decided I didn't want to do it any longer and it stopped my fertility.

I am not by any means always stressed and run ragged. I just find this circle, this battle of words frustrating.

I am not frustrated and resentful generally. I just am frustrated and resentful over this one thing.

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otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:35

"So did dh, although his solution was to fall asleep with her which I felt was counterproductive"

Mine does this! At least I watch an episode of something on my iPod when I'm settling so I never fall asleep.

Once again, my child sleeps through the night almost every night. A massive improvement and one which she arrived at in her own time, having until 20 mnoths slept in my bed. I am not sleep deprived. It's just that sometimes she takes a long while to go to sleep. Any attempt to leave she just gets out of bed and comes out of her room. The path of least resistence and a smoother bedtime is to sit by her until she falls asleep. I am not the only loon to do this!

I didn't know AP engendered such hostility.

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everythingchangeseverything · 22/03/2011 13:35

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brass · 22/03/2011 13:35

you're so lost it's incredible.

'I jsut don't think controlled crying was/is/should be the way to go for my child and her personality/temperament and what she's used to. '

No one has said controlled crying is the way to go but you seem to have it in your head that the ONLY alternative to what you are doing now is controlled crying!

People have given you some good tips actually. It's no good talking about tweaks if you can't actually implement them. They aren't theory. In your case the tweaks would have been reducing the amount of time sitting with her or carrying her around at age 21/2 without a buggy! But you haven't done any of those things, you've stuck to some rigid pattern which is going to finish you off when the next one comes along.

You sound happy btw. LOL

wonkeydonkies · 22/03/2011 13:37

dare I ask what is AP

and as for a baby being unputdownable so had to hold it 24/7, sod that for a game of soldiers lol

otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:38

brass, you are being bit nasty. Whatever.

I had and reread the no-cry for babies and have the as-yet-unread no-cry for toddlers on my bookshelf. I'll sit and read that while she goes to sleep.

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wonkeydonkies · 22/03/2011 13:39

imo you are making a very large rod for your own backs

your kid is going to be one of those who cant be told no and everyone else avoids LOL

otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:40

I feel bad now. I've done AP a great disservice as all the naysayers can go away heaving their bosoms saying 'look at the knobs who do that, no wonder their marriages fail/children end clingy'

I have not criticised working parents/controlled cryers/etc. Please don't criticise my approach. I'm happy with it.

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otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:41

"your kid is going to be one of those who cant be told no and everyone else avoids LOL"

Now that is nasty

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amyamyamy · 22/03/2011 13:41

What is AP?

Am I the only one utterly confused by the "no pram"? What is supposed to be virtuous about having no pram? How do you manage the shopping and a small child at the same time? How will you manage to carry a newborn, a 2.8 year old at nap time and all the shopping? I am not trying to be difficult - I am very child centred myself but am genuinely confused by this pram thing.

I also wonder what you want from your DH. If you want him to take over more often because you are PG and tired - which is completely understandable - then ask him. If you want to give up this sitting with your DD whilst she goes to sleep then talk with your DH about changing strategies. Not clear what you want him to do about the moaning......

Incidentally, I believe it is doing your child a disservice not to allow her to feel safe enough alone to fall asleep but I respect you having a different view and don't criticise you for it, although I do think you will struggle when you have the next baby and do think there is a danger that your DD will put down the instant reduction in attention to her baby sister/ brother 's arrival and that this could cause jealousies. I am sure OTOH that you have a delightful and beloved daughter with all the care that you and your DH obviously take. Good luck with number 2.

otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:44

"What is supposed to be virtuous about having no pram?"

There is nothing virtuous in it. I just don't have one. Have somehow managed to go out every day and do shopping. My child liked being carried for naps. I mentioned it as obviously one or other of us has probably carried her in the day so we are also more physically tired (less so now, she walks everywhere) so maybe that's part of it. Picking the wrong moment.

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PoppetUK · 22/03/2011 13:46

If I took your approach I'd be more stressed out but it obviously works for you. Hubby is away 3 x per week. I've got a nearly 2 year old in a cot and I know I'm going to have to go through a transition into a bed in the coming months. We will have to go through a period of the other two getting less time with us whilst he learns to stay in bed. Nothing worse than feeling on your knees with the demands of little ones and they don't go to bed. Your hubby has a good ride at the minute.

Could a cuddle not replace boob at bedtime, hubby could then also learn to settle but that might take time given how long you've done it this way.

jellybelly25 · 22/03/2011 13:47

I read that no cry for my dd and whilst i didn't follow it or do any particular plan it made me realise that the bedtime was not actually a routine as i thought it was - it was a bit chaotic and dominated by the sitting in the room thing. We did the popping in and out to reassure thing ("wait there I'm just getting a drink/hanging the washing/finding your ariel doll/saying night night to dd1/any excuse"), which did at first take just as long and involved lots of popping in and out and sitting on the bed again for a few min each time, with her looking seriously worried while she waited for us, but literally within a week she was happy for us to go and pop back once, and would fall asleep on her own. There was no crying. I'm not anti cc or pro ap, just did what seemed rught. Also I leave a lamp on. A princess one which she loves.

She now says this line 'when you go will you come back in my bed?' as she's about to fall asleep, every night! she just wants the reassurance that she's not being deserted.

otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:47

regarding the moaning. I just want him to recognise my feelings. not roll his eyes, shut off or walk away. That enrages me. He's always been a bit like this.

had a hard day with a colleague? sometimes you just need to vent, even coming to laugh about it. You want your voice heard, your feelings of frustrations heard without being dismissed.

How to Talk so Kids Will Listen is a great example of how children (and adults) just want to be heard without moralising, advice, pooh-poohing it all.

He's up for settling all the time from now. Just on the days I've worked I feel sometimes I should as I've missed her.

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jellybelly25 · 22/03/2011 13:49

oh and you have to tell her to wait there for you you'll be back in one minute. Then try to extend the time a little bit each time.

Kiwinyc · 22/03/2011 13:49

Men like to fix problems, and get frustrated and upset when they can't. Tell him you're not expecting him to fix this, but that you'd appreciate a sympathetic ear and some encouragement and thats all you want from him.

zikes · 22/03/2011 13:52

Yes, what Kiwinyc said - I'd try spelling out what you'd like him to do when you need to vent.

Suchffun · 22/03/2011 13:53

OP, I understand your actual problem and don't intend to wade in with sleep advice. Not sure I am any good at relationship advice either mind!

Sometimes we can fall into a pattern of behaviour and we can also make our minds up about what someone is doing before they do it. So 'Theres got to be a better way than this' fast forwards to'Here she goes again, same old moan'. Do you think this is what happens in your situation?

You might break the pattern by separating your two needs - 1. you want to discuss sleep issues with your DH and 2. you want to spend the evening once DD is asleep having 'quality time' with your DH. Concentrate on 2 during the evenings. And find another time to discuss 1, a weekend morning or something, and come to a conclusion/plan of action rather than getting stuck in a loop.

Best of luck

otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:53

Thanks jellybelly - that has worked on a few nights but not all, (annoyingly) but am going to try this night light

Regarding the jealousy, well, of course that worries me a little (I think every parent of a second child has some misgivings about introducing a sibling) but I hope tandem feeding may help. Plus bear in mind I've worked three days a week since she was 15 months so she's not going from 24/7 me to hardly any of me.

She sees more of her father than me (as he does his shifts at night twice a week) so we're hoping that her world won't be quite as rocked as he plans to take a good while off and stay part time for a bit until my pay runs out.

But food for thought, and yes, I'd definitely like to get the settling under control.

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otchayaniye · 22/03/2011 13:55

"Sometimes we can fall into a pattern of behaviour and we can also make our minds up about what someone is doing before they do it. So 'Theres got to be a better way than this' fast forwards to'Here she goes again, same old moan'. Do you think this is what happens in your situation?"

Nail on the head - thank you. I think my non verbal cues give the game away before I've opened my fishwive's mouth!

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FreudianSlippery · 22/03/2011 13:55

I really don't think all this flaming is necessary. And I don't particularly like AP, and I do like supernanny :o

But OP has said, this is more about his response to her stresses - he's not letting her vent about a particular issue, and yet he is allowed to vent about the same issue? That's not on, no matter what the actual issue is!

Is he like this over other (non-parenting) problems OP?

EricNorthmansMistress · 22/03/2011 13:56

I don't think you are a knob, but I think you are not dealing with your child's sleep issue and you (both) need to. How can it be working if you both get frustrated and moan at each other about it?

I like some aspects of AP and think some are unrealistic and create dependencies in children. Sitting with your DD for up to an hour to prevent her from crying is a dependency that you have created which is completely unnecessary and actually harmful IMO (she won't be getting sufficient sleep, and an inability to self settle indicates anxiety)

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