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Bit freaked out...

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:16

...and need a bit of reassurance.

Just had a card arrive by post from an ex which has freaked me out.

Backstory: met him in 2000, at that time he was in a mental health hospital, under a section. (OK, bells should have rang, I know, I know, but what can I say? He's very manipulative and I'd been a single mum for 13 years, and there was immediate chemistry, so I got sucked in, please don't judge me for that, I know what a fool I was.) Started dating Feb 2001.

He was due to be released from hospital a few months after but only on the condition he had an address to go to. He was desperate, as he had no friends other than others in mental health institutions (he'd been in hospital/secure units for 3 years) and didn't get on with his adoptive parents so I said he could stay with me for a couple of months 'til he got a flat. His CPN was meant to be arranging housing association for him. All was lovely until then.

He was a terrible, terrible man, controlling, violent, a liar, it turned out he was actually engaged to another woman who was still in a secure unit. I hit the roof over that and said he was taking the P out of both of us so he did then end it with her. But then he made me virtually a prisoner in my own home because if we went out, if he thought another man so much as looked at me, even though I walked everywhere with my eyes on the floor so that I couldn't accidentally look at a man, and kept telling how much I loved him and wasn't interested in other men, I'd get a damn good kicking when we got home. He'd suggest we'd go out for a night, and tell me what to wear, something he said he liked me in, then he'd spend all night yelling at me that I looked like a whore (I didn't, I'm a size 16 ffs!) and that I was coming on to men dressed 'like that'. And again, there'd be a kicking waiting for me when we got home. I dreaded coming back to my own home most days. The kids had to walk on eggshells too else..guess what...yes, more violence (to me, and never in front of them, thank god.) There were a couple of male nurses where I worked and god forbid he found out one had been on the same shift as me, it would, of course, mean I'd been sleeping with him. And so on. You get the picture. Women would phone up my house to arrange dates with him (he apparently told them he was living with his sister because someone had once thought we were siblings as we looked a little similar) and one of his friends would often phone me and threaten to kill both me and my kids if I didn't cooperate (ie be a better g/f).

Like many women in that kind of situation, he told me everything was my fault so many times that I believed him and thought if I stopped doing stuff that was wrong, he'd be nicer to me. It didn't happen, of course.

Things finally came to a head after about 9 months of this when we had one incident of unprotected sex (oh yes, he used to hit me during sex, forgot that bit) and I got pregnant. He went mental, first accusing me of sleeping around, but then after accepting it was his, he said he wanted nothing to do with it and I was to tell no-one about the baby's existence, ever. I explained that I would have to tell people, at least schools and health visitors etc, and that no way would I keep a child of mine locked in the house for ever like a dirty secret. He stormed off and I had the presence of mind to not let him back in that time, and actually stick to it. So that was, thankfully, that.

I miscarried at 12 weeks, which I was devastated about at the time as, crazy as it sounds, I still loved him...but now I can see that it was a blessing in disguise.

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:21

Heard nothing from him for about a year, then he started phoning me. And phoning me. 5 or 10 times a day, always from a phone box or number withheld so I couldn't prove to police it was him or give them a number to follow up from. He wouldn't talk to begin with, the line would just stay silent or he'd hang up. After a few months of this, he did begin to talk, always putting on a face accent and saying he's received a text asking him to call this number. Or he'd ask to speak to .

Of course, I recognised his voice instantly, accent or no, in fact I can still recall his voice with complete clarity if I think about it. He's the most terrifying man I ever met, I'm scarred for life (lol) I would hang up without saying anything, but it was making me constantly on edge, so the final time he did it, I just said "I know it's you, X, why do you keep phoning me? I have nothing to say to you." He sounded taken aback (fecking fool, how did he think I wouldn't know it was him?) then said "Well, I've got nothing to say to you, either! to which I replied "Well don't phone me again then!" and put the phone down.

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:29

That stopped the calls, and the nuisance.

Oh, I forgot to say, during the year between us splitting and the phoning starting, he sent a load of Xmas presents to me and both DS, out of the blue, with a note saying how sorry he was for everything. I didn't respond as I was so upskittled just at the thought of contact from him, I just binned it.

All was silent again for a few years.

However, last year, I started getting phone calls and messages from the local hospital for him, about appointments and stuff. I told them I hadn't seen him in about 8 years and had no idea where he was and didn't want to. Then a few days later there'd be another one, so I phoned again, same story, blah. They said it was odd because that was definitely the number they had for him. I told them in no uncertain terms to remove it. All quiet again after.

Last summer, I kept seeing him around town. The first time I almost died with shock, terror etc as I knew he'd moved a long way away after we split (by the location of the phone boxes - it was a town that we'd been to on holiday and he'd always said he wanted to go back there to live as he'd lived there before) I would just ignore him and walk past, figuring that as I had a young toddler with me he might assume I had a new bloke and leave me be. It seemed to work.

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eandz · 01/03/2011 13:29

did you move? can you move? change your numbers at the very least. he sounds like a creeper.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 01/03/2011 13:35

How did you meet a man who was under section?
Did you you change address/phone number after he went?
Did you take out a restraining order against him to protect both you and your children?
He must be under some sort of mental health supervision, did you contact them?

I don't really understand what advice you want, this story is kicking up more questions than answers TBH.

eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:37

Until just now. This card. A 'sorry' card. He says he's "so sorry for everything I did and everything I was all that time ago. Thank you for all you did for me and all you gave me, I never deserved it. {damn right!} Have a happy life. I wish you well."

Given that other unexpected contact in the past appears to have been the precursor for another round of harassment, it's freaked me out a bit. And, despite all the trauma, I very rarely think about him, so it was really out of the blue and made me feel sick to my stomach when I opened it. I mean, we were together for 10 months if that, it was hell on earth and we've not seen each other (except in the street last year) for 9 years. Can he not just leave me be?

Please someone talk sense into me. Is he really sorry or is he just letting me know he's still around? Of course, he knows where I live which makes me feel all the more vulnerable Confused

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BitOfFun · 01/03/2011 13:39

Can't possibly read all that. Leave your phone unplugged and then move..

eandz · 01/03/2011 13:42

he's dangerous. he beat you often. remember, 10 whole months.

he had people call you to threaten you and your family.

...you stayed in the same house? you haven't changed your number?

eandz · 01/03/2011 13:43

they threatened your life! the life of your children...unless of course you feel absolutely safe, then why even post?

IngridBergmann · 01/03/2011 13:46

I have read it all, and I think if you respond in any way he will take that as license to bother you again.

He clearly has no boundaries, it isn't anything you have done, anything about you, you're just a kind person who got dragged in.

Can you contact the local mental health servuce and ask them to do something, if they know of him - it's quite possible he is still receiving treatment from them - and you don't have to know any details, but there's nothing to stop you requesting that they make a note this is happening to you, and give them an outline of your history.

Contact the police and ask for a restraining order or injunction to be put in place, stopping him from making contact with you or coming near you or your home.

They will probably be able to do this - and then if he breaks the terms, he will be arrested and so on.

OTOH it could aggravate him.

I would move, sorry - unless impossible. He clearly needs to be in familiar places, so if you go somewhere he has no connection to, it's unlikely he will follow you.

My feeling re the apology is it's a way to try and contact you again and he doesn't really feel anything, either way, he just casts around and thinks of you, so he sends you a card.

Keep it, or hand it to the police, as evidence, as what he is doing is harassment. If you ignore him he might well leave you alone now. But I would log it all with the police anyway, so if anything further happens they have a great case against him. They don't have to contact him if they just log the incidents. It keeps it on record though.

LittleMissHissyFit · 01/03/2011 13:47

It doesn't really matter whether he means it or not does it?

His sorry's are not going to make all of that better and you are not going to want a relationship with him.

You need to move. Sorry, but you do.

Ex-directory number too.

eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:48

eandz - I didn't move, no. I own my house and also back then I didn't want to drag the boys off to god knows where when they were settled at school. DS1 had already been to 3 different schools because of me and his dad splitting up. It didn't seem fair.

dickiedavistt - I met him in a pub. He was allowed 2 hours out of the unit a day because he was in the final stages of the MH process, kind of rehab.

No, didn't really need to take a restraining order out as he never came back to the house and as I say, after we split up, I didn't hear from him again for a year (other than when I texted him to say I'd lost the baby, so he knew there was no need to ever come looking for me/us/it.)

I don't know what I want, nothing, I just needed to talk to someone, to tell me I'm overreacting maybe, that he's just sorry and that'll be it. I know I asked for a lot of the trouble and brought it on myself, but after all this time I've moved on (moved on a long time ago) so just wish he would.

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IngridBergmann · 01/03/2011 13:49

The police DV unit will have specialist knowledge on how best to handle this though...say you did want to move, how to be non traceable, how to keep off public electoral roll etc.

They are the best people particularly if this started off as a relationship and deteriorated.

They will take it very seriously.

IngridBergmann · 01/03/2011 13:51

Sorry, but you did not ask for any of it. Do you really believe that?

eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:53

Oh, wish it was as easy as just moving. How do I move? I don't have a job so I can't get another mortgage. I have no money to pay conveyancing, surveys or anything else on another property, or removal costs etc. I do't want to leave my home which I worked hard to buy, my children's home, and ultimately their inheritance, sell it and rent which will just blow every penny I get from the sale, leaving nothing for my children's future. They didn't ask for this.

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:55

Ingrid, I didn't say I didn't ask for any of it. I know it was my fault for getting involved with him initially, hindsight is a great thing. I don't think I 'asked' for it to drag on and on indefinitely, though.

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 01/03/2011 13:56

I think your children's safety is more important than any money they might inherit TBH.
Plus with prices the way they are at the moment you could rent your house out for more than your mortgage to pay for your new place to live.
Nobody here can tell you that this bloke is going to leave you alone or offer any reassurance at all. You need to put things in place and talk to the right people to safeguard yourself and your three kids.

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:04

Dickie, I understand what you mean about property prices, but even so, I can't see anyone giving me a mortgage when I don't have a job. My only income is child tax credits and child benefit. Yes, the rent on my existing house may cover the mortgage payments, but what if the tenants defaulted on their rent, or it was empty for a while? I can't imagine them giving me a mortgage based on hypothetical income from a rented property alone. Plus I have no money for a deposit. Moving is not an option.

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:05

Hmm reality, she asked "Do you really believe that?" That sounds like she's incredulous that I should think such a thing...

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:06

I shouldn't have posted the thread, sorry.

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 01/03/2011 14:07

Sorry I wasn't being very clear, I meant go and rent elsewhere, not buy a new place. I'm assuming you receive HB to pay your mortgage if you're a single mum on benefits, not sure how they would take it into consideration but if you can you should - it will provide some distance whilst you sort out how legally you make sure he's kept away from you.

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:09

I'm not on benefits and I don't get HB as I own my house.

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megapixels · 01/03/2011 14:24

I read all of it. He sounds terrifying. It is possible he may have changed, but it is a very, very tiny possibility and you really shouldn't be taking that risk. Please look after yourself and your child(ren) and move away. Since you own your house maybe you could rent it out and go rent somewhere else? Just move, even if it means selling your house and taking your children out of school etc. He shouldn't know where you are.

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